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DavidSim said:
CFMoto is 51 percent owned by a Chinese company (Zhejiang Chunfeng Power Co., Ltd.), a CFMoto rider currently leads the Moto3 championship standings (David Alonso).

I'm betting they will tackle Moto2 next, we shall see.
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Those are marketing efforts though. The bike is still a KTM, as are the Husqvarna and GasGas branded ones.

What I was referring to is a full blown chassis development effort.
 
JPSLotus said:
King of the Baggers is one of the best race series that no one seems to know about. I know they are modified, but if you can throw around a v-twin HD like that, you have batshit insane skill.
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There were some fascinating articles by Kevin Cameron I think, that detailed how Indian rapidly evolved their entry to corner better with higher lean angles. Chassis and suspension upgrades, exhaust re routing etc.

Edit: found one via quick googling Inside Indian’s King of the Baggers V-twin
 
I'm not aware of any sort of sports bike development in China. To build a racing motorbike in China would require a hell of a lot of imported expertise. If we were to get a racing motorbike outside of Europe and Japan, I'd guess it would need to come from the USA, assuming they could acquire the funding

Back to silly season, Ducati is looking like they could loose a lot of existing riders;
- Martin to Aprilia done
- Bastainini to KTM done
- Bezzecchi is rumored to be looking outside
- Digi could end up elsewhere
- Morbidelli isn't performing
- A Marquez seems likely to stay
 
mikesbytes said:
I'm not aware of any sort of sports bike development in China. To build a racing motorbike in China would require a hell of a lot of imported expertise. If we were to get a racing motorbike outside of Europe and Japan, I'd guess it would need to come from the USA, assuming they could acquire the funding

Back to silly season, Ducati is looking like they could loose a lot of existing riders;
- Martin to Aprilia done
- Bastainini to KTM done
- Bezzecchi is rumored to be looking outside
- Digi could end up elsewhere
- Morbidelli isn't performing
- A Marquez seems likely to stay
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Plenty of high capacity multi cylinder bikes being developed in China these days at an accelerated pace.

Regarding the silly season, reports coming out that Mir is to re-sign with HRC for 2 more years. I didn’t see that coming at all.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2024/06/18...-together-two-year-contract-on-the-table.html
 
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Mir & Honda is surprising. I would have guessed both sides would try pretty hard to avoid that. Both desperate? Seems Mir would be hard pressed to find a worse bike than the Honda, and HRC would be hard pressed to find a rider who would crash out more often.
 
JFM01 said:
Honda riders are at least finishing most races now.
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HRC brought a massive tech update to the private test that convinced Mir to stay.
 
In Mir's defense, the latest Honda's might have been developed as he has wanted. So he might have seen some light at the end of the long tunnel.

So just to recap

Ducati Corse - Done
KTM - Done
Aprilia - Martin + Bezzecchi
HRC - Marini + Mir
Yamaha - Quartararo + ?

KTM v2 - Done
Honda v2 - Zarco + a rider from East / Southeast Asia

Pramac - potentially #1 choice for Yamaha. Will need two riders. Campinoti likes Miller, Miller lacks Yamaha from his collection. Oliveira and R.Fernandez might need to switch. Diggia will need to switch, and will work for crumbs.
VR46 - potentially #1 choice for Ducati. Will need to save Morbidelli's career. Diggia is their fastest rider. Aldeguer is the one to get the bike. The second team to complete their lineup, and only after Aprilia is set
Gresini - Marquez will stay, as part of the Marquez deal. Diggia will need a seat, will work for crumbs, and is a native
Trackhouse - Can Trackhouse convince Noale that its in their financial interest to land an American? Have Fernandez been given enough time? Has Oliveira's bad and good luck run out?

What happened to Rins?
 
JFM01 said:
Yeah I thought Mir was hell set on leaving Honda, I was already looking forward to see him on a Ducati.
Guess the paycheck is pretty good though. Honda riders are at least finishing most races now.
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Doing a Fabio and chasing the retirement money sounds like.
Sennas_Caress said:
Pramac - potentially #1 choice for Yamaha. Will need two riders. Campinoti likes Miller, Miller lacks Yamaha from his collection. Oliveira and R.Fernandez might need to switch. Diggia will need to switch, and will work for crumbs.
VR46 - potentially #1 choice for Ducati. Will need to save Morbidelli's career. Diggia is their fastest rider. Aldeguer is the one to get the bike. The second team to complete their lineup, and only after Aprilia is set
Gresini - Marquez will stay, as part of the Marquez deal. Diggia will need a seat, will work for crumbs, and is a native
Trackhouse - Can Trackhouse convince Noale that its in their financial interest to land an American? Have Fernandez been given enough time? Has Oliveira's bad and good luck run out?

What happened to Rins?
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I've heard nothing of Rins leaving the factory Yamaha team, except to retire if his leg injury forces him so. There is also a chance he ends up on a Pramac if they move to Yamaha.

I can see a Miller/Oliveira lineup at Pramac Yamaha.
If VR46 get the factory Ducati contract, then both riders will have a GP25 so Aldeguer can only go to Gresini. because he will be on a GP24.
If Gresini and VR46 got one factory bike each, then I see it this way:

VR46
Bezzechi (GP25)
Morbidelli (GP24)

Gresini
Alex M (GP25)
Aldeguer (GP24)

It sounds like Trackhouse won't have an american next yr, based on what Rivola was saying. With Mir committing to Honda, I think it's a lifeline for Oliveria.
 
So we have 2-3 possible seats open.

Aprilia still has one seat unless Bezzecchi goes there. But that would open up the second VR46 seat. Don't know if Aldegeur would wind up there by default since it seems like the Pramac to retain Ducati deal has likely gone south. But the only remain question marks are the second Yamaha M1 seat, and if Pramac decides to take the admittedly phenomenal Yamaha satellite deal, they have 2 riders to fill there. I think one way or another Jack Miller may survive another year or two if he can grab one of these seats. I actually think Yamaha should get him on the factory seat if Rins decides to retire, but if not, and Pramac signs the deal, he should be on one of those bikes as I think development wise he can help out.
 
JPSLotus said:
So we have 2-3 possible seats open.

Aprilia still has one seat unless Bezzecchi goes there. But that would open up the second VR46 seat. Don't know if Aldegeur would wind up there by default since it seems like the Pramac to retain Ducati deal has likely gone south. But the only remain question marks are the second Yamaha M1 seat, and if Pramac decides to take the admittedly phenomenal Yamaha satellite deal, they have 2 riders to fill there. I think one way or another Jack Miller may survive another year or two if he can grab one of these seats. I actually think Yamaha should get him on the factory seat if Rins decides to retire, but if not, and Pramac signs the deal, he should be on one of those bikes as I think development wise he can help out.
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I’ll co-sign Miller to Yamaha if they have 4 seats.

If they only have 2, I’d like to see Rins retained. Continuity is important when you’re rebuilding (Maybe also the reason for the HRC-Mir renewal).

If I were Davide Brivio, I’d also take a long look at Miller vs what he’s getting for his money currently. Would be a bit of a coup for Aprilia to get some KTM knowledge as well.

Bez to Aprilia seems to be a foregone conclusion to me as well.
 
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1050802/1/gigi-dalligna-addresses-pramac-quit-option-yamaha-lurk
Gigi seems almost resigned to the possibility of losing Pramac.

I don’t know how chummy the Nietos are, but the rumors are that after spending many years as Ducati’s No1 customer team, Campinoti didn’t take VR46’s arrival and share of the limelight too well. Which is understandable, because they won the teams championship last year and Martin came very close to winning the big one himself.
 
synn said:
I’ll co-sign Miller to Yamaha if they have 4 seats.

If they only have 2, I’d like to see Rins retained. Continuity is important when you’re rebuilding (Maybe also the reason for the HRC-Mir renewal).

If I were Davide Brivio, I’d also take a long look at Miller vs what he’s getting for his money currently. Would be a bit of a coup for Aprilia to get some KTM knowledge as well.

Bez to Aprilia seems to be a foregone conclusion to me as well.
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Honestly I would not sign Bezzecchi to Aprilia if you can get Miller. I'd rather get Jack Miller on the bike for development purposes. I think Marco is too big of a risk considering he can't gel with the GP23.

I still wonder if somehow Joe Roberts might work his way into the Trackhouse Aprilia team. It seems unlikely at the moment, but ....... GP needs an American rider badly. I know he's not going to set the world on fire, but being on an Aprilia might help keep him in the points.
 

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