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Marquez politicking his way into Ducati is no different than Rossi politicking his way back to Yamaha in 2013.

Does it make commercial sense for the manufacturer and the sport? Probably. Is it the most sporting thing to ......... a younger, more deserving rider? Probably not.

Politicking is all good, everybody does it. A multi world champion certainly can make a move that is to his benefit while jockeying for a ride. I have never faulted anybody for that kind of thing. I don’t see it as a ......... on MM’s part. Martin just wound up outmaneuvered this time.

What I hope happens is that both Aprilia and Martin pull out all the stops to challenge. It is the kind of thing that will motivate a young and talented rider to improve.

Somebody (JPS or 22???) just brought up Prost and Senna in 1988. There are parallels, but Prost was well established in that team and Senna was the younger up and comer. Prost did not veto Senna. This time Marquez arrives on board as the elder statesman. They both have something to prove, as was the case in 88. It is going to be interesting.

Coincidentally last night I watched an hourlong YouTube feature on the McLaren MP4/4, which was arguably the Ducati GP 24 of its day in F1. What struck me the most was how the chief designer Steve Nichols, along with the chief mechanic and another designer, took great pains to stress that everything was done as a team. It certainly seemed like it at the time.

It remains to be seen how the team thing will play out at Ducati next year.
 
You could argue he has been done dirty already. Told he has the ride and then days later no you don't whilst leading the championship. I don't see that they will want him taking the number 1 plate to another manufacturer.
Pecco will be a 3 time motogp champion at the end of this year I expect.
I'd even say that the aftermath of the silly season benefits Marc's championship hopes for this season, which I previously thought to be slim, but less so now IMO. Jorge will stop receiving updates, not to mention the bad tire factor like in Qatar 2023. Also there's a huge mental fortitude test coming for him.

Ducati can support Marc better now that he's committed to the main team and get more upgrades for his GP23. Pecco is more favorite than he was prior the Martín/Marc moves, and should be an easy pick for the championship, but now I think he'll worry more about Marc than Jorge, and it has been proved previously than Marc can ruffle his feathers by not accepting being overtaken by Marc and quickly trying to regain position aggressively. If things between the trio get chaotic, I expect Marc to win more duels than he'll lose. That's is if Pecco gives them a chance to fight, if he plans to ride every race like Mugello there's nothing the others can do, but he'll have his moments of weakness and there's still a question mark on if he can keep his usual high DNFs ratio to an acceptable low.

Martín's silver lining hope remains in finding a consistent and firm setup that works well for him now that his Ducati will probably remain unchanged until the end of the season and work on his strong points.
 
If Pramac leaves, I wonder if Ducati would prefer Gresini (or another independent team from left field) over VR46, simply because of Rossi's profile. I think the advantage for Ducati previously aligning themselves with Rossi was his academy turning out excellent Italian talent. Now that the VR46 academy is not being run anything close to the level it was, I'm not sure that Ducati want their satellite team owner being arguably having a bigger profile than their factory team. Does that upset the balance of power? Not to mention Rossi being a Yamaha ambassador.
 
If Pramac leaves, I wonder if Ducati would prefer Gresini (or another independent team from left field) over VR46, simply because of Rossi's profile. I think the advantage for Ducati previously aligning themselves with Rossi was his academy turning out excellent Italian talent. Now that the VR46 academy is not being run anything close to the level it was, I'm not sure that Ducati want their satellite team owner being arguably having a bigger profile than their factory team. Does that upset the balance of power? Not to mention Rossi being a Yamaha ambassador.
The academy put a pause on new additions to focus on stabilizing the careers of all those who made it to MotoGP. They restarted accepting new entries last year, and I believe Matteo Bertelle, Luca Lunetta; both of who are showing flashes of brilliance in Moto3, are the current junior members.

Elia Bartolini and Alberto Surra (In European Moto2) were part of the academy, but I am not sure if that’s continuing.

There is no “Balance of power”. Ducati themselves are quite keen on holding on to VR46, which they have made clear many times publicly. Not just the brand name, but also the way the team is run. Ducati even accommodated VR46’s insistence of fielding its own crew chiefs, which they didn’t do even for Pramac.

And given the chance of Pramac going to Yamaha, VR46 is the only customer team that can afford a GP25, because they have Indonesian oil money. Gresini doesn’t. The only reason they didn’t have the latest spec bikes (Except the one year Marini had one) was the Pramac veto.

Lastly, Rossi’s personal affiliations were well known to Ducati previously, and that didn’t change anything before and it won’t now. VR46’s sponsorships and affiliations are separately negotiated by Uccio and Pablo Nieto, with Rossi playing no major part other than casual oversight. In fact, Rossi wanted the team to go to Yamaha for obvious reasons, but Uccio and Nieto vetoed it because it will not work for the team sponsors they worked hard to sign.
 
The academy put a pause on new additions to focus on stabilizing the careers of all those who made it to MotoGP. They restarted accepting new entries last year, and I believe Matteo Bertelle, Luca Lunetta; both of who are showing flashes of brilliance in Moto3, are the current junior members.

Elia Bartolini and Alberto Surra (In European Moto2) were part of the academy, but I am not sure if that’s continuing.

There is no “Balance of power”. Ducati themselves are quite keen on holding on to VR46, which they have made clear many times publicly. Not just the brand name, but also the way the team is run. Ducati even accommodated VR46’s insistence of fielding its own crew chiefs, which they didn’t do even for Pramac.

And given the chance of Pramac going to Yamaha, VR46 is the only customer team that can afford a GP25, because they have Indonesian oil money. Gresini doesn’t. The only reason they didn’t have the latest spec bikes (Except the one year Marini had one) was the Pramac veto.

Lastly, Rossi’s personal affiliations were well known to Ducati previously, and that didn’t change anything before and it won’t now. VR46’s sponsorships and affiliations are separately negotiated by Uccio and Pablo Nieto, with Rossi playing no major part other than casual oversight. In fact, Rossi wanted the team to go to Yamaha for obvious reasons, but Uccio and Nieto vetoed it because it will not work for the team sponsors they worked hard to sign.
Was going to say this before reading your post, but no way are Ducati going to favour Gresini over VR46, particularly with losing Pramac in prospect. if they were going to do so apart from anything else they could just have given Gresini a GP25 next year and none of the recent choices would have needed to be made. Gresini are also appealing for fan sponsorship, and as you say it would seem likely VR46 has better funding/sponsorship.

I consider it inevitable that Ducati will lose at least one of their current satellite teams eventually though..
 
If Pramac leaves, I wonder if Ducati would prefer Gresini (or another independent team from left field) over VR46, simply because of Rossi's profile. I think the advantage for Ducati previously aligning themselves with Rossi was his academy turning out excellent Italian talent. Now that the VR46 academy is not being run anything close to the level it was, I'm not sure that Ducati want their satellite team owner being arguably having a bigger profile than their factory team. Does that upset the balance of power? Not to mention Rossi being a Yamaha ambassador.
Don’t forget Vale is forging a new career for himself in sports car racing which as he improves will take up more of his time. This may be why the academy isn’t run to the level it once was? This could well impact Ducatis decisions for the future of VR46 as well.
 

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Don’t forget Vale is forging a new career for himself in sports car racing which as he improves will take up more of his time. This may be why the academy isn’t run to the level it once was? This could well impact Ducatis decisions for the future of VR46 as well.
He doesn’t take part in the day to day running of the academy or the team. Haven’t done that back when he was racing motorcycles either.
 
Was going to say this before reading your post, but no way are Ducati going to favour Gresini over VR46, particularly with losing Pramac in prospect. if they were going to do so apart from anything else they could just have given Gresini a GP25 next year and none of the recent choices would have needed to be made. Gresini are also appealing for fan sponsorship, and as you say it would seem likely VR46 has better funding/sponsorship.

I consider it inevitable that Ducati will lose at least one of their current satellite teams eventually though..
I quite like Carmelo’s vision of 6 manufacturers with one customer team each; but that seems to be a pipe dream now.

We might get BMW in 2027, and I hope MV will return at some point (With their own inline 4, not a rebadged KTM), now that they have Austrian money.
 
Bez to Aprilia will be a big F U to Rossi, but i doubt he has the courage to do it
Why would that be? Rossi and VR46 have said repeatedly that their goal is to find MotoGP factory seats for all their riders, whichever factory it might be.
 
I quite like Carmelo’s vision of 6 manufacturers with one customer team each; but that seems to be a pipe dream now.

We might get BMW in 2027, and I hope MV will return at some point (With their own inline 4, not a rebadged KTM), now that they have Austrian money.

A dream it might be, and a principle they use to shape rules and regulations.
The new consession regime and the engine + Ecofuel decisions are at least in part due to Dorna wanting more factories to commit.

MV Augusta will join only under the Pierer Mobility Group umbrella. So a rebranded KTM.
I for onw can't see PMG being able to have to separate engines at MotoGP level
 
If Ducati does not fully support Martin as the championship leader until the end of the season or until the championship is decided, including updates, etc., they are doing him dirty.
Ducati are the first 4 places in the championship so even captain obvious can see that Ducati is going to win the world championship this year, hence there's no need to fully support all Ducati riders paving the way to reduce support to a rider who is going to another manufacturer next year
If Rossi is at a particular race and Marc wins, and Pecco takes 3rd, will Rossi be in Parc Ferme schmoozing it up with Pecco?
Understand you are looking at this from a MM vs Rossi situation. Pecco went thru VR46 academy and hence a reason to support him rather than someone who didn't go thru the academy
Let us not forget after Nicky won the championship Honda introduced a miniature Pedrosa sized bike the next season.
Never understood Honda's logic on making the bike incompatible with Hayden
 
You could argue he has been done dirty already. Told he has the ride and then days later no you don't whilst leading the championship. I don't see that they will want him taking the number 1 plate to another manufacturer.
Pecco will be a 3 time motogp champion at the end of this year I expect.
I reckon he and his management had strong foreknowledge of the possibility that Ducati would choose MM, if only because of how quickly he had in place an already negotiated contract with Aprilia, and possibly, the whole thing would have gone down much sooner, but for the fact of Martin’s management bargaining with Ducati right up until the last minute, pursuing terms that were ultimately not palatable to Ducati. So, really, not a big shock to Martin when it was all finalized. I’m sure he saw it coming.
 
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Never understood Honda's logic on making the bike incompatible with Hayden
The assumption around here was A. Repsol wanted a Spanish champion and B. From an objective businessman’s perspective, Nicky’s championship was won by a hair, with a minimum of top-podium finishes, making him seem not the best rider to bet on for future seasons. They believed Dani would be a more dominant rider, which was needed given how dominant Rossi was at the time. Also, it bears mentioning, the average European rider was around 5.6” with Rossi and Iannone being rare exceptions. I wouldn’t be surprised if that had been a factor for why they made American-sized Colin Edwards a teammate at Yamaha: because he was too beefy to be truly competitive with his teammate.
 
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I reckon he and his management had strong foreknowledge of the possibility that Ducati would choose MM, if only because of how quickly he had in place an already negotiated contract with Aprilia, and possibly, the whole thing would have gone down much sooner, but for the fact of Martin’s management bargaining with Ducati right up until the last minute, pursuing terms that were ultimately not palatable to Ducati. So, really, not a big shock to Martin when it was all finalized.
Yeah possibly when Marquez said he wasn't going to Pramac. Marquez has nerve on the bike and off it. Gutsy move but it worked
 
Not getting any updates or access to tech developments is doing Martin dirty...
As others have said, he's already been done dirty.

The real world is not full on sunshine and rainbows. Ducati simply will not let any tech secrets go to Aprilia.
 
As others have said, he's already been done dirty.

The real world is not full on sunshine and rainbows. Ducati simply will not let any tech secrets go to Aprilia.
They’ve already gone to KTM and Yamaha.

If you want secrets, poach engineers, not riders.
 
They’ve already gone to KTM and Yamaha.

If you want secrets, poach engineers, not riders.
Not Gigi though. If they could get him they would have.

Is there enough time left in the aero era, which like you I detest, for Yamaha and KTM to match Gigi ?.
 
Not Gigi though. If they could get him they would have.

Is there enough time left in the aero era, which like you I detest, for Yamaha and KTM to match Gigi ?.
Apparently the one Yamaha poached was Gigi’s right hand man and did much of the recent aero work. Yamaha also has access to Dallara, who has done a lot of aero for single seater racing.

KTM has access to Red Bull Racing, who admittedly are one of the best in the business.

Romano Albessiano at Aprilia has an aerospace background, which explains why Aprilia probably has the most elegant aero solutions in place.

I don’t know who Honda is using, probably they don’t either, because they seem completely lost.

I think they will all catch up eventually, and given that aero will not (Unfortunately) completely go away in 2027, it’s probably worth the investment.
 

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