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p4p1 said:
How does that work with current contracts etc? The guy from moto2 specifically who I believe is contracted directly to Ducati.
I can understand Pramac being unhappy about not getting 2 current specs Duc's but to spit the dummy and go to Yamaha would be a surprise at this point.
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Rider or team contracts?

All the customer teams contracts are up at the end of this yr. Regarding Aldeguer, he has a contract to race a 1 yr old Ducati next yr (so a GP24). His team has not been confirmed yet so one of the satellite teams will be running a year old bike for him. The tradeoff for this is they will likely get a factory bike on the other side of the garage.
 
#22 said:
Yep, that was my point.
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There are 2 points and you were obviously making both of them, that if world titles in the other classes are to be counted he has 5 just as MM has 8 and Valentino has 9, and that he actually did win the 2015 title to which no caveats should apply and he hence has 3 premier class titles, and you are presumably suspicious as are others that his 3rd premier class title is being non-accidentally discounted.
 
We have been discussing silly season in another thread so I’d thought I’d bring it back here
 
Thanks Mikes. Updated situation:

Confirmed riders in Bold

Lenovo Ducati
Francesco Bagnaia (till end of 2026)
Enea Bastiannini

Red Bull KTM
Brad Binder (till end of 2026)
Jack Miller

Aprilia Racing
Aleix Espargaro
Maverick Vinales

Repsol Honda
Joan Mir
Luca Marini (till end of 2025)

Monster Yamaha
Fabio Quartararo (till end of 2026)
Alex Rins

Gas Gas
Augusto Fernandez
Pedro Acosta

Pramac Ducati
Jorge Martin
Franco Morbidelli

VR46 Ducati
Marco Bezzechi
Fabio Digianantonio

Gresini Ducati
Alex Marquez
Marc Marquez

Trackhouse Racing Aprilia
Miguel Oliveira
Raul Fernandez

LCR Honda
Johann Zarco (till end of 2025)
Takagi Nakagami
 
My guesses:

Lenovo Ducati
Francesco Bagnaia
Marc Marquez

Red Bull KTM
Brad Binder
Pedro Acosta

Aprilia Racing
Jorge Martin
Maverick Vinales

Repsol Honda
Fabio Digianantonio
Luca Marini

Monster Yamaha
Fabio Quartararo
Alex Rins

Gas Gas
Augusto Fernandez
Jack Miller

Pramac Ducati
Enea Bastianini
Femin Aldeguer

VR46 Ducati
Marco Bezzechi
Fabio Digianantonio

Gresini Ducati
Alex Marquez
Joan Mir

Trackhouse Racing Aprilia
Miguel Oliveira
Raul Fernandez

LCR Honda
Johann Zarco (till end of 2025)
Takagi Nakagami
 
Another, more wild option is the above except:

Lenovo Ducati
Francesco Bagnaia
Jorge Martin

Red Bull KTM
Marc Marquez
Pedro Acosta

Aprilia Racing
Enea Bastiannini
Maverick Vinales

Repsol Honda
Jack Miller
Luca Marini

Gas Gas
Augusto Fernandez
Brad Binder

Pramac Ducati
Marco Bezzechi
Femin Aldeguer
 
What about Marquez to Aprilia? That might end up being the only competitive factory seat available...

I still think that it is more likely that he ends up on an Ducati.
 
I believe a gp25 is his no matter where he ends up next year. Possibly still at gresini with the news that pramac is losing a bike. I don't think Marc wants to start over next year someplace new on a new bike.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
I believe a gp25 is his no matter where he ends up next year. Possibly still at gresini with the news that pramac is losing a bike. I don't think Marc wants to start over next year someplace new on a new bike.
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Agree with this, and I said previously I don't see Marc in Ducati Lenovo because it would mean breaking a profitable and long lasting deal with Red Bull, unless Ducati is willing to drop the Monster exclusive deal, which I don't think they will unless another sponsor gets shoehorned in their place (Estrella Galicia?), money is money. Ducati will probably have one GP25 for Pramac and the other for Gresini/Marc; maybe Marc himself will be "promoted" to Pramac but I think he'll want to keep his current team, but who knows. If he leaves Ducati, it's because the Italian manufacturer isn't interested in retaining him.
 
The Red Bull deal is interesting, I dont see Marquez leaving Red Bull, those energy drink deals can be very lucrative, and they have had a good relationship for many years now. Monster is not a title sponsor on the Ducati, so it might be workable, but definitely something to work out.
The problem for Ducati is, if he is successful on the customer bike, then the brand gets very little out of it from a marketing stand point. If he leaves the brand completely then he will be their competition. So I think they need to figure out a way that checks all the boxes.
 
Hollywood said:
The Red Bull deal is interesting, I dont see Marquez leaving Red Bull, those energy drink deals can be very lucrative, and they have had a good relationship for many years now. Monster is not a title sponsor on the Ducati, so it might be workable, but definitely something to work out.
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Lorenzo had to ditch Monster for Red Bull when he went to Honda, but then Red Bull were more prominent, and and had the Marquez link that was so strong, they left when he did.
Money talks, and I think if Red Bull said 'we'll pay what Monster paid' then it's an easy sell.
Hollywood said:
The problem for Ducati is, if he is successful on the customer bike, then the brand gets very little out of it from a marketing stand point. If he leaves the brand completely then he will be their competition. So I think they need to figure out a way that checks all the boxes.
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This is what they were talking about last yr with Martin. Indeed, he even had a contract clause that he would be on a factory bike if he won the title. I'm sure that was as much for Ducati to retain the #1 on their factory bike as it was for Martin to get a factory ride.
 
I saw a post somewhere (probably FB) saying that Acosta is happy to stay in the gas gas team next year. He is happy with the level of support etc and isn’t banging down the door demanding a move to Red Bill KTM. This would open up the possibility of KTM securing MM who RB are very keen to get across.
 
Interesting if you read that. It has been reported that his contract has a clause though that leaves him a free agent if he is not on a factory Red Bull KTM in 2025.
 
p4p1 said:
I saw a post somewhere (probably FB) saying that Acosta is happy to stay in the gas gas team next year. He is happy with the level of support etc and isn’t banging down the door demanding a move to Red Bill KTM. This would open up the possibility of KTM securing MM who RB are very keen to get across.
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Something I read recently iirc was that all 4 KTMs are full factory bikes and that all 4 riders are contracted to KTM. So it perhaps depends on the exact wording of his contract but if Acosta is happy with the level of support he is getting at Gasgas it might be a situation akin to what the Nastro Azzurro Honda team was for Valentino Rossi, which Rossi is on the record as saying was his ideal situation. If Acosta is contracted to KTM rather than Gasgas even his salary/remuneration may not be a problem. He may possibly be benefiting from being the main focus of a team, although I doubt the factory factory KTM team are doing much to help Miller ahead of Binder at the moment, and not unreasonably so.

Now I think on it where I read the stuff was on Crash, so not the most reliable of provenances of course, but they directly quoted the KTM boss in regard to Jack Miller and Acosta, who said they weren’t going to have them swap seats mid season but also that they could if they really wanted to do so because of the above.

As someone else said while I am similarly a Binder admirer it would seem likely Acosta is demonstrating the potential of the KTM bike more than either factory factory rider is doing currently, fairly unquestionably in Jack Miller’s case, and MM may still be a cut above both factory KTM riders, even Binder. What would perhaps be unwise imo would be to have Acosta and MM on the same team.
 
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michaelm said:
Something I read recently iirc was that all 4 KTMs are full factory bikes and that all 4 riders are contracted to KTM. So it perhaps depends on the exact wording of his contract but if Acosta is happy with the level of support he is getting at Gasgas it might be a situation akin to what the Nastro Azzurro Honda team was for Valentino Rossi, which Rossi is on the record as saying was his ideal situation. If Acosta is contracted to KTM rather than Gasgas even his salary/remuneration may not be a problem. He may possibly be benefiting from being the main focus of a team, although I doubt the factory factory KTM team are doing much to help Miller ahead of Binder at the moment, and not unreasonably so.

Now I think on it where I read the stuff was on Crash, so not the most reliable of provenances of course, but they directly quoted the KTM boss in regard to Jack Miller and Acosta, who said they weren’t going to have them swap seats mid season but also that they could if they really wanted to do so because of the above.

As someone else said while I am similarly a Binder admirer it would seem likely Acosta is demonstrating the potential of the KTM bike more than either factory factory rider is doing currently, fairly unquestionably in Jack Miller’s case, and MM may still be a cut above both factory KTM riders, even Binder. What would perhaps be unwise imo would be to have Acosta and MM on the same team.
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That was one of the reasons Tech3 left Yamaha, they got factory bikes same has factory team at the start of each season, Poncharal said Tech3 was a second factory team with KTM not a satellite team.
 
michaelm said:
Something I read recently iirc was that all 4 KTMs are full factory bikes and that all 4 riders are contracted to KTM. So it perhaps depends on the exact wording of his contract but if Acosta is happy with the level of support he is getting at Gasgas it might be a situation akin to what the Nastro Azzurro Honda team was for Valentino Rossi, which Rossi is on the record as saying was his ideal situation. If Acosta is contracted to KTM rather than Gasgas even his salary/remuneration may not be a problem. He may possibly be benefiting from being the main focus of a team, although I doubt the factory factory KTM team are doing much to help Miller ahead of Binder at the moment, and not unreasonably so.

Now I think on it where I read the stuff was on Crash, so not the most reliable of provenances of course, but they directly quoted the KTM boss in regard to Jack Miller and Acosta, who said they weren’t going to have them swap seats mid season but also that they could if they really wanted to do so because of the above.

As someone else said while I am similarly a Binder admirer it would seem likely Acosta is demonstrating the potential of the KTM bike more than either factory factory rider is doing currently, fairly unquestionably in Jack Miller’s case, and MM may still be a cut above both factory KTM riders, even Binder. What would perhaps be unwise imo would be to have Acosta and MM on the same team.
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Assuming there is no difference between the 2 KTM teams, then having a top rider in Gas Gas puts that branding in front of the cameras
 
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