We'll see. The relationship between Red Bull and KTM will probably depend on Liberty. If MotoGP teams perform CFD simulations for F1 teams in contravention of the FIA regs, Red Bull will be a sponsor sticker on the bike. If Liberty grows the sport, maybe introduces budgetary restrictions, and increases the commercial payments to teams, and aero remains at the forefront of bike performance, Red Bull KTM might start to resemble Red Bull Honda, with Red Bull owning team, and KTM supplying engines.
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We'll see. The relationship between Red Bull and KTM will probably depend on Liberty. If MotoGP teams perform CFD simulations for F1 teams in contravention of the FIA regs, Red Bull will be a sponsor sticker on the bike. If Liberty grows the sport, maybe introduces budgetary restrictions, and increases the commercial payments to teams, and aero remains at the forefront of bike performance, Red Bull KTM might start to resemble Red Bull Honda, with Red Bull owning team, and KTM supplying engines.
They've lost their way. Things were "simple" before aero and ride height. It seemed like the Japanese were just deciding where to position the mass of the bike (high-low,fore-aft) and then dialing in the tortional and lateral flex of the bike in conjunction with the suspension settings and tires. They would also play around with geometry. It was complicated, but the Japanese had it down to a science, and they could rely on their legendary riders, if the bike wasn't perfect.
Things are different now. Grip can be altered with the wings and ride height device, which is probably changing the optimal mass placement. The additional grip from the wings is pitch, roll and yaw sensitive, and the aero is semi-active because of the ride height device. Anti-squat strategies are now pro-squat ride height devices. It looks like the ride-height bikes are actually capable of doing some braking work with the rear tire when the bike is vertical. That's weird.
The current 1000cc rules are not the same game. The pieces are all there, and the board is checkered, but they are playing in 3d now. The grandmasters of the old chess, don't know this game, and unlike the European manufacturers, they haven't leveraged their connections to the F1 paddock.
This isn't the first time the rug has been pulled out from under the Japanese. They also famously tripped themselves in 2007. But each time they fall, it requires some new adaptation to lift themselves back, and they seem increasingly apathetic. I hope Honda and Yamaha are competitive from the outset of the 850cc formula, and I hope SBK somehow finds a way to get the teams and the industry off of manufacturer juice. People talk about ebb and flow, but there is no flow. The industry is in a prolonged ebb, and if the Japanese leave, the tide may not come back in, since they are the architects of the previous high water mark.
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Continuance. When you develop something step by step, piece by piece then you know what is the way forward. A gap will kill your development, now you have too many variables and their combinations to consider. You are lost, without clear direction forward. Listen what Mir said, they are testing everything new. Engine, chassis parts, aero, electronics. They let the gap in and now they are running round like a headless chicken.
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LOL at anyone thinking that the reason the 2010 Ducati was winning races was because it was very rideable.
In 2004 the rider could make more difference. Now the engineers do.
I know it's 20 years later but the rider still makes the difference. In fact, I will argue the rider makes exactly the same difference as 20 years ago.
Every team has the same rules and abides by them unless they are cheating. The engineers always have delivered the best possible solutions to the rules and the team has tested the motorcycle(s). After that it is ALL up to the rider.
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Tell this to Bagnaia. He as an operator of an electronic contraption (also called MotoGP bike) opened the throttle in 2023 Catalunya. The engineer who programmed his unit made a mistake and allowed too much power on cold tires ...
^^ This is just one example. Riding the bike versus operating it.
^^ This is just one example. Riding the bike versus operating it.
To be fair to Pecco, he said that he was riding with less TC this weekend (taking more control on his hand) to handle the new Michelin tires.
Was a pretty boring race in the end, save for Marquez making a run through the field after his start.
Pecco, with a bike advantage or not is riding unbelievably well. Only injury will stop him from defending his title successfully one would think.
Would love to see more midfield battles shown when the front is just a procession but there are only so many cameras I guess.
Pecco, with a bike advantage or not is riding unbelievably well. Only injury will stop him from defending his title successfully one would think.
Would love to see more midfield battles shown when the front is just a procession but there are only so many cameras I guess.
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Still makes a difference, less than was once the case unfortunately.
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The gaps between the first 3 riders showed the rider can make a difference when the bikes are even.
MM’s ride thru the field was impressive
Championship will probably be decided by DNF’s
MM’s ride thru the field was impressive
Championship will probably be decided by DNF’s
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The way MM used to leave black marks with the front tyre of the Honda and won in his first seaon, showed the rider could make the difference.
The way Rossi swapped from winning on the Honda and won immediately on the Yamaha showed the rider made the difference.
Schwantz, Rainey and Lawson powersliding their 2 strokes and squaring off the corner. Doohan the same, when others couldn't. Rider making the difference. Now you need a GP24 and you need to ride it not how you used to, but how the engineers designed it to be ridden with aero and ride height.
The difference the rider makes is definitely still there but it is much reduced imo.
The way Rossi swapped from winning on the Honda and won immediately on the Yamaha showed the rider made the difference.
Schwantz, Rainey and Lawson powersliding their 2 strokes and squaring off the corner. Doohan the same, when others couldn't. Rider making the difference. Now you need a GP24 and you need to ride it not how you used to, but how the engineers designed it to be ridden with aero and ride height.
The difference the rider makes is definitely still there but it is much reduced imo.
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Pecco and Martin are so close that one fall could easily make the difference. In my opinion. Pecco had a visible wobble at one point yesterday - if he had fallen Martin would be 25 points ahead, and those might be hard (far from impossible) to catch up.
EDIT: Hence, I agree with @mikesbytes
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I disagree about the rider making the difference in the same manner as 20 years ago.
Marc said just the other day you have to ride the bike to what it does as opposed to the rider determining more of what the bike does. That's why Pecco is doing so well, he figured out how to ride Gigi's creation the way it has to be ridden as opposed to how he might want to actually ride it.
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A question I have about Sunday - do people think that Pecco had time in hand? Could he have gone faster if he needed to? Was he just managing the race?
His pass on Martin looked quite easy to me.
His pass on Martin looked quite easy to me.
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I believe he was managing the gap yes. He is very good on that GP24 and very good at that track. Nobody had anything he couldn't cover imo.
It’s a track that’s hard on fuel, so they’ve all have had to dial down the power after a few laps, but I do think Pecco had something in his back pocket if he needed to push.
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