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moto vudu · May 5, 2018

Congrats to Cal. Good to see Lorenzo back near the front, looks like the new parts have helped him considerably.

michaelm · May 5, 2018

#22 said:
Amazing lap by Cal, thoroughly deserved. Amazing laps by Zarco and Lorenzo, putting their team mates to shame.

Yamaha are in trouble. They have no more excuses. Either Zarco is an enigma who is making the 2016 bike look much better than it is or Yamaha have made 2 consecutive bikes worse and worse. Last yr Vinales was blamed but now Yamaha themselves cannot hide, and the blame has to lie with both riders.

Who would have bet against Marquez not crashing and still being off the front row?

Doesn’t matter. I am, as opposed to many, something of a Crutchlow fan, but he doesn’t and never has had the race pace to beat MM unless MM crashes or settles for position. Always a cause for acclaim to qualify on pole against the likes of MM though.

MichaelBolton · May 5, 2018

It is live on the Eurosport antenna that Laurent Fellon, friend, partner and manager of Johann Zarco, explained why the latter will ride on a factory KTM from 2019.

Attention, every word is important and that's why we report here as accurately as possible all his words, despite the hubbub of motorcycles in the background ...

Laurent Fellon : "It's my decision because ... we'll go backwards: Éric de Seynes, who helped us a lot, did his best. I say Eric de Seynes, because no one from Yamaha came to see us. He did everything to take the necessary steps and bring us a Yamaha. And it did not happen because Valentino blocked all roads. I can say it now. After, Honda, put Johann next to Márquez, it's not good, because Márquez is Márquez. At Suzuki, they had us out, so go back to someone who puts you out ... they just had to think. On the other hand, KTM is a European factory, which has what it takes to do the development. With Red Bull, they are behind Johann, they want a driver like Johann. I think that with Red Bull, it will give wings to Johann, and above all, they will make a good bike because, already, seeing what they did yesterday with Kallio and Espargaro ... Knowing that Espargaro was on the Yamaha of Johann, the same as this one, it was said that the Yamaha Tech3 was not good, so there, the KTM, I think that as soon as Johann will ride on it, he will be in the game and he will be able to brawl in front.

The most important fact, and it is clearly stated, is of course that Laurent Fellon made the decision. A decision that, apart from Yamaha which was the initial choice of Johann Zarco, seems to have partly taken place "by elimination".

Jerez MotoGP Pourquoi Johann Zarco a-t-il choisi KTM ? Laurent Fellon règle ses comptes... - Paddock GP

Translation from Reddit

p4p1 · May 5, 2018

moto vudu said:
That's ........, the riders are only part of the equation. The crew chiefs and engineers are responsible for taking what they riders say and ask for and making the proper adjustments and developing the right parts to improve the motorcycle. The riders are just easy to point the finger at since they're the most visible part of the team, but make no mistake if the engineers are failing at their job the riders will suffer. You have no proof Vinales and Rossi are providing poor feedback to the team.

Yet you, others and Rossi were so quick to blame Vinales last year...

moto vudu · May 5, 2018

p4p1 said:
Yet you, others and Rossi were so quick to blame Vinales last year...

You're mistaken. I've never made a single post on here blaming Vinales for anything.

JPSLotus · May 5, 2018

MichaelBolton said:
Jerez MotoGP Pourquoi Johann Zarco a-t-il choisi KTM? Laurent Fellon règle ses comptes... - Paddock GP

Translation from Reddit

Fellon is delusional.

The KTM going to battle at the front? It's not.

Being next to Marquez isn't a bad proposition since you're getting full factory support from a team that's been doing this for a few decades with very little in the way of fallow times.

At least we know Rossi is a cockblocker like usual. Yamaha letting a 39 year old has-been dictate that is pathetic. But no shock, can't have Zarco demolishing Rossi on a factory bike. Those t-shirt sales might start going down.

BarryMachine · May 5, 2018

Mick D said:
So... Zarco's manager has sounded off on French TV. No one at Yamaha has helped us. Rossi has actively blocked us.

Meh. You could tell rossi had it in for Zarco as soon as Zarco began beating him.
The time rossi cut the track on zarco was pure gutless rossi thinking Zarco should be lower than him in the pecking order. Which other rider would ever try such a dick move.

p4p1 · May 5, 2018

JPSLotus said:
Fellon is delusional.

The KTM going to battle at the front? It's not.

Being next to Marquez isn't a bad proposition since you're getting full factory support from a team that's been doing this for a few decades with very little in the way of fallow times.

At least we know Rossi is a cockblocker like usual. Yamaha letting a 39 year old has-been dictate that is pathetic. But no shock, can't have Zarco demolishing Rossi on a factory bike. Those t-shirt sales might start going down.

I don't think it's impossible though. Compare Zarco and to the current KTM teams results on tech 3. So the idea that KTM won't dramatically improve while being ridden by Zarco isn't crazy.

It sounded a lot like Zarco wasn't confident of beating Marquez on the same bike TBH.

p4p1 · May 5, 2018

moto vudu said:
You're mistaken. I've never made a single post on here blaming Vinales for anything.

That's my mistake then.
However the point still stands that Rossi blamed Vinales solely for the problems Yamaha had last year.

JPSLotus · May 5, 2018

p4p1 said:
I don't think it's impossible though. Compare Zarco and to the current KTM teams results on tech 3. So the idea that KTM won't dramatically improve while being ridden by Zarco isn't crazy.

It sounded a lot like Zarco wasn't confident of beating Marquez on the same bike TBH.

He'll be around P7 or P8 on the KTM. The bike doesn't have it. He's doing what he is on a Yamaha at the end of the day. KTM is not Yamaha no matter how they have mucked things up in Yamahaha land right now.

Yes and if Zarco isn't confident of beating Marquez on the same bike he should go find something else to do instead of racing bikes because it means he lacks confidence. Easy to ride against garbage teammates to make yourself feel better.

BarryMachine · May 5, 2018

I wouldnt be at all surprised if rossi bought some form of controlling interest in the euro Yamaha Racing arm.

How else could they have made the idiotic move to lose Zarco and Lorenzo. Both of whom were riders capable of taking it to Marc. If they were on factory Yams.

moto vudu · May 5, 2018

p4p1 said:
That's my mistake then.
However the point still stands that Rossi blamed Vinales solely for the problems Yamaha had last year.

I'm not so sure. It was early in the season (or preseason) when Rossi was vocal about there being problems with the 2017 bike. Vinales couldn't of had anything to do with whatever Yamaha developed over the winter so I'm sure initially Rossi knew the engineers had ...... up. Vinales had a great pace early last year and he didn't think there was a problem... until the tires changed and he had similar issues to what Rossi was complaining about all along. Rossi may have felt Vinales wasn't helping by claiming the 2017 bike was perfect. Rossi was able to feel the difference between between the 2016 and 2017 bikes when Vinales had only had the Suzuki as a prior reference point.

Barbedwirebikerr · May 5, 2018

moto vudu said:
That's ........, the riders are only part of the equation. The crew chiefs and engineers are responsible for taking what the riders say and ask for and making the proper adjustments and developing the right parts to improve the motorcycle. The riders are just easy to point the finger at since they're the most visible part of the team, but make no mistake if the engineers are failing at their job the riders will suffer. You have no proof Vinales and Rossi are providing poor feedback to the team.

So Zarco has the best Yamaha Engineers?

BarryMachine · May 5, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
So Zarco has the best Yamaha Engineers?

Stop using logic and making sense Barbed!!

That has no place in the yellow world!!

michaelm · May 5, 2018

moto vudu said:
I'm not so sure. It was early in the season (or preseason) when Rossi was vocal about there being problems with the 2017 bike. Vinales couldn't of had anything to do with whatever Yamaha developed over the winter so I'm sure initially Rossi knew the engineers had ...... up. Vinales had a great pace early last year and he didn't think there was a problem... until the tires changed and he had similar issues to what Rossi was complaining about all along. Rossi may have felt Vinales wasn't helping by claiming the 2017 bike was perfect. Rossi was able to feel the difference between between the 2016 and 2017 bikes when Vinales had only had the Suzuki as a prior reference point.

If the bike wasn’t flawed in Vinales’ hands on the intial (approved by majority vote) 2017 tire why exactly did that tire need to be changed, and how was Vinales supposed to otherwise judge the bike?.

Is it better to lose on the “right” tire than win on the “wrong” tire?.

I never had any problem with the new “Rossi” tire being made available, but the “old” tire should have continued to be available, something that has now actually been recognised by a regulation.

moto vudu · May 5, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
So Zarco has the best Yamaha Engineers?

Is Zarco on the 2016 M1?

moto vudu · May 5, 2018

michaelm said:
If the bike wasn’t flawed in Vinales’ hands on the intial (approved by majority vote) 2017 tire why exactly did that tire need to be changed, and how was Vinales supposed to otherwise judge the bike?.

Is it better to lose on the “right” tire than win on the “wrong” tire?.

I never had any problem with the new “Rossi” tire being made available, but the “old” tire should have continued to be available, something that has now actually been recognised by a regulation.

You're in the land of conspiracy if you're thinking the tire was changed for Rossi. The tire change didn't really help Rossi much either. You have to stop thinking Michelin gives a .... about Rossi and understand what they're responsible for while adjusting to being the new tire manufacturer.

Barbedwirebikerr · May 5, 2018

moto vudu said:
Is Zarco on the 2016 M1?

No. Word is he is on the "flawed 17" chassis.

BarryMachine · May 5, 2018

moto vudu said:
You're in the land of conspiracy if you're thinking the tire was changed for Rossi. The tire change didn't really help Rossi much either. You have to stop thinking Michelin gives a .... about Rossi and understand what they're responsible for while adjusting to being the new tire manufacturer.

No it didnt help rossi .... hes .... ..... but it did hinder others who made it obvious he was .... on the same machine. Thats rossis modus operandi these days.

rossi has allways used tactics other than just being fast. He just needs to do it more these days.

Barbedwirebikerr · May 5, 2018

Where are the kitchen fitting guys? Crutchlow needs some adjustments to his motorhome door, namely widening.

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