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moto vudu said:
That's ........, the riders are only part of the equation. The crew chiefs and engineers are responsible for taking what the riders say and ask for and making the proper adjustments and developing the right parts to improve the motorcycle. The riders are just easy to point the finger at since they're the most visible part of the team, but make no mistake if the engineers are failing at their job the riders will suffer. You have no proof Vinales and Rossi are providing poor feedback to the team.
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So you're saying the full factory team has an inferior crew???
 
Keshav said:
So you're saying the full factory team has an inferior crew???
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No, the 2016 M1 performed well... it was easy to ride. That said, factory teams have to keep trying to improve and sometimes they move in the wrong direction. Yamaha moved in the wrong direction in 2017 and still haven't corrected their issues yet (they're also still playing catchup with electronics). They have the riders, they just need to make the right parts and adjustments to get the best out of their riders. Yamaha needs to find themselves an advantage somewhere. They can't keep depending on corner speed only for the Duc & RCV to instantly negate that small advantage by blowing by the M1 on the straights.
 
moto vudu said:
You're in the land of conspiracy if you're thinking the tire was changed for Rossi. The tire change didn't really help Rossi much either. You have to stop thinking Michelin gives a .... about Rossi and understand what they're responsible for while adjusting to being the new tire manufacturer.
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My view is simple. If they wanted to change the tire to a different construction after the season had started the previous tire should also have continued to be available, as I said then and which has now been recognised by regulation as I also said.

If you think it is a conspiracy theory to suggest Rossi had an influence on the change in the tire take it up with Jules/Julian Ryder and the various riders he quoted when the tire was brought to the American fly-away round for testing. Who do you think requested the re-evaluation of that particular tire at that particular time?. Not any of the other riders that I can recall from contemporary accounts.

That the tire didn’t help Rossi doesn’t mean he didn’t think it would help him, and what is definitely true is that his team-mate’s competitiveness declined markedly after the tire change, which said team-mate didn’t even oppose, merely requesting that the original tire continue as well, which as I have implied fits my notions of natural justice if not yours. I know it is a radical notion, but it is possible that even Valentino Rossi is capable of being wrong.
 
Props to Cal for a well deserved pole position, hope he goes as well in the race tomorrow.
 
moto vudu said:
No, the 2016 M1 performed well... it was easy to ride. That said, factory teams have to keep trying to improve and sometimes they move in the wrong direction. Yamaha moved in the wrong direction in 2017 and still haven't corrected their issues yet (they're also still playing catchup with electronics). They have the riders, they just need to make the right parts and adjustments to get the best out of their riders. Yamaha needs to find themselves an advantage somewhere. They can't keep depending on corner speed only for the Duc & RCV to instantly negate that small advantage by blowing by the M1 on the straights.
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They missed their big advantage when they resigned rossi.
 
moto vudu said:
No, the 2016 M1 performed well... it was easy to ride. That said, factory teams have to keep trying to improve and sometimes they move in the wrong direction. Yamaha moved in the wrong direction in 2017 and still haven't corrected their issues yet (they're also still playing catchup with electronics). They have the riders, they just need to make the right parts and adjustments to get the best out of their riders. Yamaha needs to find themselves an advantage somewhere. They can't keep depending on corner speed only for the Duc & RCV to instantly negate that small advantage by blowing by the M1 on the straights.
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Fine. As long as you are also happy to write off the decades long Rossi the genius developer narrative.
 
michaelm said:
Fine. As long as you are also happy to write off the decades long Rossi the genius developer narrative.
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That still people only paying attention to the most visible parts of the team. Rossi and Burgess deserve some credit, but there's plenty of people behind the scenes that also had to do their job to perfection to make it all come together.
 
moto vudu said:
That still people only paying attention to the most visible parts of the team. Rossi and Burgess deserve some credit, but there's plenty of people behind the scenes that also had to do their job to perfection to make it all come together.
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Of course, but that has been ignored in the midst of Rossi hagiography for most of his career. He definitely wasn’t responsible for the 2011 and 2012 Ducatis being absolute pigs, but it is hard to escape the conclusion that he drank some of his own koolaid in making the decision to go to Ducati in the first place.

It is only an opinion, also of course, but I continue to believe that Vinales and hence Yamaha would have prospered more last year if the original 2017 tire had continued to be available to Vinales as it should have been, imo and now apparently also in the opinion of the regulators.
 
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BarryMachine said:
He doesnt inspire confidence ... but it would be great if he won a few more.

Sure would make for an interesting season.
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To be mischievous, perhaps his intended implication is that he is fortunate to be able still to avail himself of the last good Lorenzo developed Yamaha chassis.
 
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