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2009 Supercross season (SPOILERS)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Apr 30 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Title up in the air.
East/West Supercross Lites Shootout

Bring on Vegas..
Yes, I have really enjoyed the Lites this year. Very competitive.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 30 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I have really enjoyed the Lites this year. Very competitive.

I kind of let it go and havn't watched a lites race for a few weeks now.
So what's at stake? Easrt meets West right? Who's the players I should be keeping an eye on?
I need a reason to be interested.

I havn't checked the tv schedule yet. Anyone got a heads up on that?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ May 1 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I kind of let it go and havn't watched a lites race for a few weeks now.

Big mistake bro, its been real good.

Hey, BTW, Speed showed the SX Salt Lake and my DVR picked it up. Just watched it this morning. Holy .... batman! Great race, but Jaes was clearly just chillin until he turned it up.

Ralph Shitheen was all over the Chistom incident. He wouldn't let it go. But I don't see the problem, it wasn't intentional. If it was, why would he have also looked like he tried to take out James first? No way, it was just a mistake. Funny thing too, if you listen to the commentary, you will hear them talking about how lap riders are taken by surprise by the outright closing speed by the two leaders. Then Ralph turn on Chistom and starts talking about how it was a bad move. .... this guy. Chistom was NOT trying to take out anyody but get the hell out of the way. Chad and James split him and he had no where to go! The black flag was bogus, and Chad's comments where .........


Anyway, it was a good race, very exciting! Oh, and Chad standing up James twice was shady. I hope these clowns don't cite the Chistom incident as the make or break of the season. Chad is 2nd fastest, period.
 
i finally was able to watch the salt lake & las vegas rounds. jumkie i have to disagree with ya on the chisolm debacle. that was a deliberate attemt to slow up reed. the outcome woulda been the same but i think the team boss put him up to it. the guy has a reputation aparently. now what reed did in vegas was just low in my oppinion. the only way he could win the title was to knock stewart down and he tried but failed. i hope reed does the outdoor this season. great ride by villopotto... 2 in a row. he'll be stonger in the out doors & next sx season. a threeman instead of 2 me hopes.
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I don't follow dirt racing too much... but does the bike play a huge role in the outcome of a race? I mean, I understand that equipment plays a big role in what a rider is able to achieve.... but it just seems like with Moto Cross and Super Cross racing, there's basically only 2 riders who are capable of winning, 1 rider reallly if not for DNF's.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ May 7 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't follow dirt racing too much... but does the bike play a huge role in the outcome of a race? I mean, I understand that equipment plays a big role in what a rider is able to achieve.... but it just seems like with Moto Cross and Super Cross racing, there's basically only 2 riders who are capable of winning, 1 rider reallly if not for DNF's.

Not really. Kawasaki's are not the best bikes in the world, but Stewart made them the bike to have. Without Villapoto, they would be languishing like they are in the rest of the championships around the world.

Stewart switches from the Kawasaki to a privateer Yamaha and takes the title. Reed leaves that privateer Yamaha to Suzuki and wins races and challenges for the title. Carmichael left Honda to Suzuki and continued his domination. Jeremy McGrath won on Yamaha's, Honda's, Suzuki's, and Kawasaki's, as well as podiumed a KTM.
 
There is a huge difference in Factory prepared MX bikes versus a customer or aftermarket built bike. I had the oppurtunity to ride a factory prepped Yamaha many years ago and that bike was just plain awesome, however, only a select few riders in the world would be able to contain the power and get around the track consistently.
One comment about the Vegas race, Reed's swipe at Stewart reminded me of Michael Schumacher's attempt in the final F1 race of that year(can't recall the year). It wasn't very professional, but sometimes you do dumb things out of desperation. Hopefully Reed will see that is was a boneheaded move and apologize to Stewart if he hasn't already done so.

On to the Outdoor season. Go Villopoto!
 
WOW! I just saw Vegas race. Amazing. I was on the edge the whole time.

CONGRATS TO JAMES STEWART!!!

Ok, on the the drama. Reed made a move on Stewart that he should have been immediately black flagged for. If the move Chisolm did was debatable but warranted a black flag, then Reed's move (in which he later admitted was cheap) should have warranted an immediate suspension as well.


I lost all respect for Reed, (and this after I had given him some during the season). We are all sitting here with James as the champ, but a lessor rider would have easily gone down with that blatant attempt to intentionally punt Stewart.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2009, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i finally was able to watch the salt lake & las vegas rounds. jumkie i have to disagree with ya on the chisolm debacle. that was a deliberate attemt to slow up reed. the outcome woulda been the same but i think the team boss put him up to it. the guy has a reputation aparently. now what reed did in vegas was just low in my oppinion. the only way he could win the title was to knock stewart down and he tried but failed.

Ok, if its debatable, then what's your take on Reeds move?--which was clearly worse than Chisolm (who I still think was trying to get out of the way since he almost took out James). Why didn't Reed get a black flag?


Ok, thin brings me to the cowardly way the commentators, all three of them (Shitheen, Carmichael, & Emig), as well as Bates all cowarded to call Reed's move shameful. They refused to call it out for what it was, yet last week Shitheen wouldn't shut up about Chisolm but here he couldn't manage to say it was a shameful move. Emig literally said he wouldn't comment, and by doing so (pleading the 5th style) told everybody what he thought) but didn't have the balls to be explicit. And Carmichael was just cowardly silent. If that wasn't enough, Bates kept trying to say it was just a pass "that could have been worse" to imply that it was acceptable. ....... double standard cowards! .... them all.


Reed lost more than the championship, he lost respect and graciousness.
 
Jumkie...I think Stewart showed a lot of poise in the post race interview. Kid is a class act, and yet another example of East Coast pull baby!!!!

You mention Carmichael not saying anything about the pass during the race, in his defense he's never really been one to do a lot of talking off the track, and he was there as a guest announcer, so I wasn't shocked nothing was said.

On a side note, I knew some how or some way that Damon Bradshaw would be brought up during this race and I was right. Damn It, every time that day gets brought up I get pissed!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ May 7 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie...

On a side note, I knew some how or some way that Damon Bradshaw would be brought up during this race and I was right. Damn It, every time that day gets brought up I get pissed!
Yes, James showed what its like to be a champion. UNLIKE Reed!


Ok, maybe Ricky gets a pass, though if you recall his previous race guest commentating, he did talk about the bad blood brewing when James and Chad had words. But ok, lets give him a pass.


Bradshaw? Please explain.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 7 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bradshaw? Please explain.
Well if you've followed the Camel SX series in 1992 you know it came down to the final race in the 250 class between Jeff Stanton and Damon, in that race Damon pretty much flubbed it and didn't finish high enough to earn the championship, he rode tight and it showed. All the pressure Yamaha heaped onto his shoulders came crashing down, it was truly a sad site to see.
Anyways, during the race when James started slowing, they commented that maybe the pressure was getting to James like it had with Damon in 1992.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ May 7 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is a huge difference in Factory prepared MX bikes versus a customer or aftermarket built bike. I had the oppurtunity to ride a factory prepped Yamaha many years ago and that bike was just plain awesome, however, only a select few riders in the world would be able to contain the power and get around the track consistently.

I would love to hear more about that ride.


All the respect that Reed built over the course of this season is now gone.
At about midway through the season I was in his camp. He was incredibly consistent
although unable to beat Stewart head to head he was the better rider every week.
Mistake free gritty riding and an honest demeanor every week on the podium.
My admiration grew for him each week at least until Salt Lake. It became clear
that he was not going to try to beat James head to head but rather run him off.
I can't respect that type of mentality in any sport. That was like Tyson biting Holyfield's
ear off. When you're losing at least go out like a man.
The pass / run off in Vegas was one of the most worst shows of sportsmanship I've ever
seen. It's a good thing it didn't work because if Reed wins the championship on that B.S.
I'm sure the fans would have turned on him. Stewart is going to be one of the legends
and that pass would have been on the highlight reels forever. Now he has the luxury of
hoping that most will forget it since it gained him nothing.
It wasn't the best of seasons but I looked foward to watching it each week and
can happily say that I enjoyed most of it.
I'm a little dissapointed that Villopoto never was able to run with the leaders but
realistically that's to be expected out of his first year. It would have been nice to see
if he could have stayed with Stewart on the Vegas track but Stewart was riding smart.
It was no surprise that he was fast on that track because it was the closest to an outdoor
track than any of the others.

Go Villopoto
.... Chad Reed
 
Johnny...the oppurtunity to ride a factory prep Yamaha YZ250 was sheer luck and a lot of begging on my part to the mechanic. This is during the two stroke days way before Yamaha unleashed Doug Henry on the 400.
I had always heard the bikes were set up to deliver power over a broad range and that was the case with the bike I rode. I was riding on a national type track(red clay mix) with long straights and some fast sweepers and the way the bike settled into the corners was flat out amazing, you could litterly do corners and jumps one gear higher than a normal modified show room bike because the motor just had so much power. Suspension was a little stiff for me but I'm not a motocross god so the speed I was doing was a way down compared to its factory pilot. Probably the thing that stuck out most in my mind with this bike was confidence it inspired going thru the whoops, it went straight and hard from entry to exit. Oh and the brakes on that bike....un-fking believable! The two laps I got to take on that machine were pure ...!
I did get the oppurtunity to do few starts against this bike, but with me being on a 125 it was like bringing a knife to a gun fight. A KX500 that was doing starts with us was getting his ... handed to him by the factory YZ250
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ May 8 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Johnny...the oppurtunity to ride a factory prep Yamaha YZ250 ...

Cool story brotha!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ May 8 2009, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All the respect that Reed built over the course of this season is now gone.
At about midway through the season I was in his camp. He was incredibly consistent
although unable to beat Stewart head to head he was the better rider every week.
Mistake free gritty riding and an honest demeanor every week on the podium.
My admiration grew for him each week at least until Salt Lake. It became clear
that he was not going to try to beat James head to head but rather run him off.
I can't respect that type of mentality in any sport. That was like Tyson biting Holyfield's
ear off. When you're losing at least go out like a man.
The pass / run off in Vegas was one of the most worst shows of sportsmanship I've ever
seen. It's a good thing it didn't work because if Reed wins the championship on that B.S.
I'm sure the fans would have turned on him. Stewart is going to be one of the legends
and that pass would have been on the highlight reels forever.


.... Chad Reed

When I saw that attempted punt I thought about Tyson's ear bite. Amazing!

I completely agree with everything you said, I couldn't have said it more precisely!


Villapodium will certainly be a regular on the podium in the outdoor series, as well as SX, no doubt. I was very impressed with him at Vegas. It was not an easy track to master. I'd say Daytona is most like MX, but certainly Vegas had odd sections reminiscent of the outdoor series.


Great post Johnny.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 7 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, if its debatable, then what's your take on Reeds move?--which was clearly worse than Chisolm (who I still think was trying to get out of the way since he almost took out James). Why didn't Reed get a black flag?
my take is reed should have got the black flag as well... but you i know that reed wasn't gonna get a black flag. just like capirossi did not get penalized for bowling over half the field at motegi in 04 were as hopkins was for the same thing a year previous. reed took a cheap shot & tried to knock stewart out of the race & had no fear of being black flagged. he's a chump & that move proved it!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 9 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my take is reed should have got the black flag as well... but you i know that reed wasn't gonna get a black flag. just like capirossi did not get penalized for bowling over half the field at motegi in 04 were as hopkins was for the same thing a year previous. reed took a cheap shot & tried to knock stewart out of the race & had no fear of being black flagged. he's a chump & that move proved it!
My thoughts were Chisholm got the black flag because he was a lapper and it is agains't the
rules to deliberately impede leaders from a lap down. I don't know the rules but this is what
I thought caused it. So while Reed's pass was dirty was it actually outside the rule book?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ May 8 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Johnny...the oppurtunity to ride a factory prep Yamaha YZ250 was sheer luck and a lot of begging on my part to the mechanic. This is during the two stroke days way before Yamaha unleashed Doug Henry on the 400.
I had always heard the bikes were set up to deliver power over a broad range and that was the case with the bike I rode. I was riding on a national type track(red clay mix) with long straights and some fast sweepers and the way the bike settled into the corners was flat out amazing, you could litterly do corners and jumps one gear higher than a normal modified show room bike because the motor just had so much power. Suspension was a little stiff for me but I'm not a motocross god so the speed I was doing was a way down compared to its factory pilot. Probably the thing that stuck out most in my mind with this bike was confidence it inspired going thru the whoops, it went straight and hard from entry to exit. Oh and the brakes on that bike....un-fking believable! The two laps I got to take on that machine were pure ...!
I did get the oppurtunity to do few starts against this bike, but with me being on a 125 it was like bringing a knife to a gun fight. A KX500 that was doing starts with us was getting his ... handed to him by the factory YZ250

You had my adrenalin pumping reading that. Can any other adjective besides ... describe that ride.
I would bet not.
Good stuff.
I look foward to hearing your opinions and analysis of the MX season.
 

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