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Keshav
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Yes.... that's good news for the stock holders, but I assume you have seen what passes for motorcycles in India?

Vespa's parent company built Vespas in India for decades - but that's all they built. Actually I owned one - out

of nostalgia, 'caused I lived there for 10 years.
Bajaj! Lots of them made it down to Australia. A mate owns a scooter spares business. Half his ye olde Vespa bits such as cables and grommets come from India.


You're correct about the calibre of bikes over there, but I was mainly addressing the idea of Suzuki abandoning bikes.
 
Dr No
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Bajaj! Lots of them made it down to Australia. A mate owns a scooter spares business. Half his ye olde Vespa bits such as cables and grommets come from India.


You're correct about the calibre of bikes over there, but I was mainly addressing the idea of Suzuki abandoning bikes.


Yeah... the Bajaj is built like a tank. Zillions of them still on the road in India. I totally understood your point about Suzuki.
 
Keshav
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Yeah... the Bajaj is built like a tank. Zillions of them still on the road in India. I totally understood your point about Suzuki.


I understand that you understand my point about Suzuki. :)

Best thing about the partfrom India is the labelling... Best Excellent Cable Co....Superlative Rivet...

What we're you up to in India? Never been there. Saving my pennies for Sri Lanka.
 
mylexicon
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What BJ.C refuses to understand


 


Yep, because I disagree with you I 'refuse to understand'.


 


I understand well the US market. It doesn't mean I have to accept the BS you spout as gospel. 


 


Tell you what, you stop posting ..... and I will stop commenting on it. Fair?
 
Keshav
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Yes.... that's good news for the stock holders, but I assume you have seen what passes for motorcycles in India?


Vespa's parent company built Vespas in India for decades - but that's all they built. Actually I owned one - out


of nostalgia, 'caused I lived there for 10 years.


 


The majority of Piaggio engines, trans, are made in India. Have been for years. That doesn't make them any better or worse than being made in Italy.


 


My MP3 has a bunch of Indian parts, but the engine was made in Italy.
 
Dr No
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Never been there. Saving my pennies for Sri Lanka.


 


Great place! Rent a bike and meander... you can stay in fantastic hill 'stations' for about $5 a night. Riding is (relatively) safe and they are very cool to foreigners.


 


One of my favourite places in the world!
 
BJ.C
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Tell you what, you stop posting ..... and I will stop commenting on it. Fair?


 


I suppose you are referring to the information found in the Yamaha annual report, which Dr. No has been kind enough to provide?


 


[paraphrase] We are getting hammered in the US worse than other markets. We can't seem to sell our current model dirtbikes or cruisers. The going-concern of our business is tenuous without market realignment[/paraphrase]


 


I suppose you aren't the first to claim that annual reports are drivel, but I think you'll find my opinion is not unsupported.
 
Dr No
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I understand that you understand my point about Suzuki. :)

Best thing about the partfrom India is the labelling... Best Excellent Cable Co....Superlative Rivet...
What we're you up to in India? Never been there. Saving my pennies for Sri Lanka.


Been playing music since I was a tyke and when I quit club racing - I had a host of injuries and the


found really tough yoga was much effective (and a hell of a lot cheaper) than sports rehabilitation


and got hooked into the culture and the music. Did my share of "spiritual seeking" while I was there


and got that out of my system. Lived in caves, played with street musicians and temple musicians


and traipsed around a lot on foot and smoked a lot of funny cigarettes and lived the fantasy. It was lots of fun those ten years and I still love the place. It gave me a way to "stop working for the the man" - in that I ended up running my own shop here in NY selling and repairing musical instruments from India. That's it in a nutshell.
 
Keshav
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Been playing music since I was a tyke and when I quit club racing - I had a host of injuries and the

found really tough yoga was much effective (and a hell of a lot cheaper) than sports rehabilitation

and got hooked into the culture and the music. Did my share of "spiritual seeking" while I was there

and got that out of my system. Lived in caves, played with street musicians and temple musicians

and traipsed around a lot on foot and smoked a lot of funny cigarettes and lived the fantasy. It was lots of fun those ten years and I still love the place. It gave me a way to "stop working for the the man" - in that I ended up running my own shop here in NY selling and repairing musical instruments from India. That's it in a nutshell.


I would call you a dirty, patchouli-stinking, ashram-seeking hippy. But that all sounds pretty ....... cool. Nice one.
 
BJ.C
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Great place! Rent a bike and meander... you can stay in fantastic hill 'stations' for about $5 a night. Riding is (relatively) safe and they are very cool to foreigners.


 


One of my favourite places in the world!


Very dangerous place in general at present according to a good friend who is an (ex-) native.
 
I work with a guy who is a current resident and I went on holiday there last year.


 


I stand by my statement - great place, friendly, cheap, safe.
 
India, China, Brazil etc. -- that's where the future of motorcycles is because that's where the future of most things is, simply because more and more human beings live and work there and less and less (and aging) live here in the so called "first" world.


I have visited India several times, for vacation as well as for work; I even bought a Royal Enfield 350 once on a longer trip (riding there is more like playing a video game though). Last February I returned to Chennai and a friend of mine had just bought a brand new Honda 250 with fairings and all -- that is a very nice little sport-touring bike. I also read that the KTM 200 is being manufactured there. Hey, when I was riding 125s and 250s I  wasn't riding anything that good, same as most Italians, not so many years ago...
 
michaelm
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Very dangerous place in general at present according to a good friend who is an (ex-) native.


I hear this nonsense from Indians who leave and become over-accustomed to living where there's a


police camera overhead every 20 feet and big brother watching. But really - India's not dangerous


for Westerners. Only people who really go out of their way to put themselves in dangerous situations


or those who provoke violent situations by being bullheaded or or culturally insensitive ever seem


to get into any real trouble. Them, and greedy idiots who get sucked into tranparent sucker schemes


for ilegally transporting "precious" stones out of the country.


 


A perfect example would be illustrated by two women who were at a dinner I threw a while back.


One was a six-foot tall Amazon with a big mouth and the other was a quiet mild-spoken gal.


The big-mouthed women insisted at every turn that the locals should uphold her Western


style values and she actually got into numerous fist fights over the course of a three week visit.


The other girl had been (and continues to do so) all over India for without everr bein molested


once (if you don't count the time she got bit by a dog she tried to pet) for years.


 


I was just in Pakistan a few years back and everybody freaked out when I said I was going.


Everywhere my wife and I went we were well treated. Too much press-generated hysteria.


It's the old cliche/truisim.... Pakistanis don't hate Americans, it's just the press-image nonsensical


IDEA of America itself that they object to.


 


I have many friends who travel to India two or three times a year who always stop by my shop to


relate their latest trips to me and I've heard nothing to indicate that the situation has changed in


any meaningful way. There are the occaisional sad incident like the man and his son who were


missionaries in the south a few years ago who were burned in their car by right-wing Hindu extremists


but in country of that size one such incident can't be considered indicitive of any general hostility


to Westerners. I always feel very safe in India.


 


I suppose if I were a Muslim - I would feel differently. The right-wingers are constantly generating


hate-hysteria against Muslims to shore up their voter base. But for Westerners - India is quite safe.
 
J4rn0
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India, China, Brazil etc. -- that's where the future of motorcycles is because that's where the future of most things is, simply because more and more human beings live and work there and less and less (and aging) live here in the so called "first" world.


I have visited India several times, for vacation as well as for work; I even bought a Royal Enfield 350 once on a longer trip (riding there is more like playing a video game though). Last February I returned to Chennai and a friend of mine had just bought a brand new Honda 250 with fairings and all -- that is a very nice little sport-touring bike. I also read that the KTM 200 is being manufactured there. Hey, when I was riding 125s and 250s I  wasn't riding anything that good, same as most Italians, not so many years ago...


Honda (or whoever) needs to make a cheap 125cc Supermoto for the Indian market. I've seen them for sale in Mexico and they're getting very very popular. If a Japanese company made these available to the Indian market they would fly off the shelves. The roads in India are complete .... outside the big cities and something with a long-travel smooth


suspension to handle the craterous roads there would be just the thing, tho it might bring up the accident rate as people might tend to be less timid in their driving habits if they weren't afraid of the frame coming apart at the welds every time the bike disappeared into a 3 foot deep pot hole. And Indian drivers are already some of the craziest out there. I think in New Delhi there can't be more than three traffic lights and stop signs don't exist. Nobody ever gets pulled over for speeding or dangerous driving. It's the Eastern equivalent of the Wild Wild West. Only China perhaps is a more dangerous place to drive.
 
BJ.C
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Great place! Rent a bike and meander... you can stay in fantastic hill 'stations' for about $5 a night. Riding is (relatively) safe and they are very cool to foreigners.


 


One of my favourite places in the world!


 


That's the plan. Make our way south, then up to the east coast. Catch up with a mate to dive the HMS <strike>Herpes</strike> Hermes.


Just need some more pennies (maybe moneybags BSnell can donate to the cause) and enough time off work to make it worthwhile.
 
Keshav
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I hear this nonsense from Indians who leave and become over-accustomed to living where there's a


police camera overhead every 20 feet and big brother watching. But really - India's not dangerous


for Westerners. Only people who really go out of their way to put themselves in dangerous situations


or those who provoke violent situations by being bullheaded or or culturally insensitive ever seem


to get into any real trouble. Them, and greedy idiots who get sucked into tranparent sucker schemes


for ilegally transporting "precious" stones out of the country.


 


A perfect example would be illustrated by two women who were at a dinner I threw a while back.


One was a six-foot tall Amazon with a big mouth and the other was a quiet mild-spoken gal.


The big-mouthed women insisted at every turn that the locals should uphold her Western


style values and she actually got into numerous fist fights over the course of a three week visit.


The other girl had been (and continues to do so) all over India for without everr bein molested


once (if you don't count the time she got bit by a dog she tried to pet) for years.


 


I was just in Pakistan a few years back and everybody freaked out when I said I was going.


Everywhere my wife and I went we were well treated. Too much press-generated hysteria.


It's the old cliche/truisim.... Pakistanis don't hate Americans, it's just the press-image nonsensical


IDEA of America itself that they object to.


 


I have many friends who travel to India two or three times a year who always stop by my shop to


relate their latest trips to me and I've heard nothing to indicate that the situation has changed in


any meaningful way. There are the occaisional sad incident like the man and his son who were


missionaries in the south a few years ago who were burned in their car by right-wing Hindu extremists


but in country of that size one such incident can't be considered indicitive of any general hostility


to Westerners. I always feel very safe in India.


 


I suppose if I were a Muslim - I would feel differently. The right-wingers are constantly generating


hate-hysteria against Muslims to shore up their voter base. But for Westerners - India is quite safe.


I may have interpreted the post to which I replied incorrectly; I meant to refer to Sri Lanka, not India. My friend has very adequate reasons for his view which I won't air on a public forum.


 


I have not been to India (apart from Mumbai airport) but from what I have heard it is no more dangerous than anywhere else (on the contrary, some Indian students and one particular Indian doctor have had bad experiences in Australia) and has thousands of years of culture and civilisation on the west of course.
 
Dr No
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Dr No
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............ Never been there. Saving my pennies for Sri Lanka.


 


 


Save some more pennies and take that Colombo-Chennai flight. Going to Sri Lanka without visiting India is a little like going to Madagascar and never see Africa, or going to Tenerife and never visit Spain, or to Sardinia and never visit Italy... :)
 
michaelm
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I may have interpreted the post to which I replied incorrectly; I meant to refer to Sri Lanka, not India. My friend has very adequate reasons for his view which I won't air on a public forum.


 


I have not been to India (apart from Mumbai airport) but from what I have heard it is no more dangerous than anywhere else (on the contrary, some Indian students and one particular Indian doctor have had bad experiences in Australia) and has thousands of years of culture and civilisation on the west of course.


Shri Lanka is a whole other can of worms. Lots of tension there between the Tamils and the Buddhists and tho that psycho Prabahakaran is dead and the civil war has been over for a while now - it's still pretty sketchy. There is however at one end of the island a huge expat community that live Thailand style, unmolested on virgin coastal land. But yes - Shri Lanka has a dynamic not unlike Israel and Palestine and is always simmering just under the surface. I have many Tamil friends. Oddly enough - after being injured and not following motorsport for some years - it was my Tamil buddies who first mentioned the name Valentino Rossi to me and had me over for lunch to watch my first MGP race in ages and go me addicted again to the sport.
 
J4rn0
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Save some more pennies and take that Colombo-Chennai flight. Going to Sri Lanka without visiting India is a little like going to Madagascar and never see Africa, or going to Tenerife and never visit Spain, or to Sardinia and never visit Italy... :)


Agree... Shri Lanka is hasn't much to offer for tourists. It's infrastructure is still pretty devastated following the end of fighting.
 

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