<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phillipisland @ Jun 2 2009, 03:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>spies didnt touch the floor whole weekend? wow, thats miracle.
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As bad as it looks on TV, it must be very nice.
They have resigned with WSB thru 2012 and then this
“Miller Motorsports Park is a world-class facility, and we have been extremely satisfied with our first event in Utah last year,” said Infront Motor Sports SBK Director Paolo Ciabatti. “Teams and riders really enjoyed the experience and as a result they voted MMP for the ‘Circuit of the Year’ award, as the best venue of the 2008 championship.
They have resigned with WSB thru 2012 and then this
“Miller Motorsports Park is a world-class facility, and we have been extremely satisfied with our first event in Utah last year,” said Infront Motor Sports SBK Director Paolo Ciabatti. “Teams and riders really enjoyed the experience and as a result they voted MMP for the ‘Circuit of the Year’ award, as the best venue of the 2008 championship.
Great times at Miller this weekend. I drove down with a buddy and met up with several Psliders (Jumkie, California Kid, Frosty, Traverser) at the track. Great meeting everyone, we had some good times. Minus a little rain on the very end of Superpole, the weather was perfect. It is definitely a western US setting (drier climate), but despite how it appears on TV it is a great facility. I do like that it is close to where I live, but I do agree with others that perhaps Laguna might be a good choice for WSBK to return to. However, WSBK has already signed up for 3 more years at Miller.
I had hoped for a 4 way battle between Haga, Spies, Fabrizio and Checa, but that was not to be. Haga had issues again at Miller and neither Fabrizio or Checa could match Spies. However Fabrizio did put in a great effort to hang with Spies for most of race 2. In the end, it was great to see Spies take the double on home turf and also bring the championship points lead closer.
WSS was a good race, but the move by Sofuoglu in my opinion was pretty harsh to steal the lead from Laverty (which if funny coming from a guy who complains about hard racing all the time). I was surprised to see they both kept it on two wheels as I expected Crutchlow to glide thru and take the win.
I had hoped for a 4 way battle between Haga, Spies, Fabrizio and Checa, but that was not to be. Haga had issues again at Miller and neither Fabrizio or Checa could match Spies. However Fabrizio did put in a great effort to hang with Spies for most of race 2. In the end, it was great to see Spies take the double on home turf and also bring the championship points lead closer.
WSS was a good race, but the move by Sofuoglu in my opinion was pretty harsh to steal the lead from Laverty (which if funny coming from a guy who complains about hard racing all the time). I was surprised to see they both kept it on two wheels as I expected Crutchlow to glide thru and take the win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jun 2 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WSS was a good race, but the move by Sofuoglu in my opinion was pretty harsh to steal the lead from Laverty (which if funny coming from a guy who complains about hard racing all the time). I was surprised to see they both kept it on two wheels as I expected Crutchlow to glide thru and take the win.
I agree. I really don't like the guy. Especially after last season (the whole waving incident). This was a tough move. A ballsy move. IMO this should open the door for other racers and shut the door on his mouth.
His move on Crutchlow was almost equally as harsh.
I agree. I really don't like the guy. Especially after last season (the whole waving incident). This was a tough move. A ballsy move. IMO this should open the door for other racers and shut the door on his mouth.
His move on Crutchlow was almost equally as harsh.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ May 31 2009, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm probably in the minority here but I wouldn't be all that upset to see the US leg of WSBK go away. The race takes place in the middle of nowhere on a dirty dusty track with very little fan support (compared to any European round). The AMA is a complete joke and there is no real passion or support in the US for world class motorcycle racing. The track is rough and far too dusty in places. It's just uninspiring.
That is a lame assessment. You complain that there is little fan support so your solution is to cancel the US round?
You ask is there no support for "world class racing" then .... on one of the best world class track here in the US? You obviously havent seen it or you'd be comparing the track to any European one in regards to surface, layout, safety, and viewing. This track rivals any GP quality track, easily. I suppose since you don't see grass all over the place then it must be .... right? Are you interested in the track and its safety quality or are you interested in the pretty decorations. Have you seen Monza? It has about as much run off as the Monaco F1 course with a devastating first turn. Its about as save as Suzuka. Hey, Qatar is in the middle of the desert, oh but the sand is prettier, right? In the middle of nowhere? Haha, dude, Qatar is in the middle of nowhere, yet the track is outstanding. Come to think of it Laguna is in the middle of nowhere too. Dude, you are mistaken, as anybody who has actually been to the place will attest that Miller is a magnificat circuit. Its clean, and no dust and .... blowing on the track. It has plenty of run of with some minor elevation changes. Great viewing (most tracks you are relegated to one maybe two turns and have to imagine the rest, where as at Miller you can see most the track from anywhere. The surface is outstanding and not all patched up like some older tracks. The mountain all around the area are spectacular. But I suppose the gravel around the track is too ugly for you, eh? Ask yourself what is the purpose of a track?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Additionally; am I the only one who is put off by those two goons who "commentate" the race for Speed? One guy has no idea who the riders are, the other is some hillbilly who has won a few races once upon a time ( I know that's not entirely true but you get the point). Speed and AMA together spells complete amateur hour. We get the AMA "Pro Primetime" (complete joke) announcers....
The commentators are horrible, I agree with you. But that "hillbilly" you are referring to is Scott Russell, WSBK champion (the only Kawasaki champion ever). So yeah, I guess he has won a few races.
Ralph Shaheen and Greg White are bad, with White being the worse ever voice/face on TV in the history of the medium.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>They focus needlessly on American riders without regard for their standings or competitiveness. We heard way to much about Zemke and Hacking. Zemke was virtually a non participant and Hacking managed to trade paint with his teammates and go off track three times in race two. Perhaps local coverage is always slanted along nationalistic lines but these two just rubbed me the wrong way.
Its an American audience genius. And the focus was before the race. Of course you're gonna talk up the two replacement riders. But once the race started, they only commented on them when they actually did something. Where were you the first race? Hacking blew by most of the top riders and was sitting in 5th when that red flag showed up. He blew the start on the retart, but there may be an explanation for this. WSBK use launch control, something not used by Hacking before, is not as simple as twisting to full throttle. You have to flip a switch, then bring on the clutch (no not just let it go like some ignorant people think) and then get it to a certain speed at which time you can give it full throttle. Well Hacking is in a class where the start is a rolling start. He hasn't had to deal with standing starts for over half a year! And even then it was a conventional standing start, not some high tech launch control. Which is why he got such a terrible start race 2. And so he had to push and came off the track. But even then he scored a 7th in race one. You can't go claiming track knowledge either since WSBK has been to Miller already.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>At the very least, there are better venues in the US for this round. Laguna would be a far better choice.
Laguna has MotoGP, so that is out of the question. We have some decent tracks in the east, they have grass all around them, and a bunch of fing trees to obstruct your view. But you'll love the grass.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Flame suit on.......
Was it useful? Haha, look man, you're a newbie, so don't get your panties in a twist here. I will tell you that I just watched the race on TV. And the screen and camera work doesn't do it justice. Its not a ugly as you think. Its actually very scenic and naturally stunning. The mountains as a backdrop to the flat desert look is a visually stimulating contrast. But you'd need to be there. I think the problem in the race itself is the lack of inspiring camera work. I just finished watching other Euro rounds (actually also a GP round) for the sake of comparison. I don't know what it is about how the Euros cover the track action, but its outstanding. The bikes at Miller were not going any slower, yet they look rather dull. Its camera work man. What ever it is, the Euros know how to do it. (Actually, I think they do better close ups). But make no mistake, the flow and layout of Miller is second to none.
I went last year and was fortunate to go up on a helicopter and view the track from above. Here are a few pics I took. Perhaps this may change your mind. Look at how the track flows, the awesome run off, and the width and quality of the surface. LINK
That is a lame assessment. You complain that there is little fan support so your solution is to cancel the US round?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Additionally; am I the only one who is put off by those two goons who "commentate" the race for Speed? One guy has no idea who the riders are, the other is some hillbilly who has won a few races once upon a time ( I know that's not entirely true but you get the point). Speed and AMA together spells complete amateur hour. We get the AMA "Pro Primetime" (complete joke) announcers....
The commentators are horrible, I agree with you. But that "hillbilly" you are referring to is Scott Russell, WSBK champion (the only Kawasaki champion ever). So yeah, I guess he has won a few races.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>They focus needlessly on American riders without regard for their standings or competitiveness. We heard way to much about Zemke and Hacking. Zemke was virtually a non participant and Hacking managed to trade paint with his teammates and go off track three times in race two. Perhaps local coverage is always slanted along nationalistic lines but these two just rubbed me the wrong way.
Its an American audience genius. And the focus was before the race. Of course you're gonna talk up the two replacement riders. But once the race started, they only commented on them when they actually did something. Where were you the first race? Hacking blew by most of the top riders and was sitting in 5th when that red flag showed up. He blew the start on the retart, but there may be an explanation for this. WSBK use launch control, something not used by Hacking before, is not as simple as twisting to full throttle. You have to flip a switch, then bring on the clutch (no not just let it go like some ignorant people think) and then get it to a certain speed at which time you can give it full throttle. Well Hacking is in a class where the start is a rolling start. He hasn't had to deal with standing starts for over half a year! And even then it was a conventional standing start, not some high tech launch control. Which is why he got such a terrible start race 2. And so he had to push and came off the track. But even then he scored a 7th in race one. You can't go claiming track knowledge either since WSBK has been to Miller already.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>At the very least, there are better venues in the US for this round. Laguna would be a far better choice.
Laguna has MotoGP, so that is out of the question. We have some decent tracks in the east, they have grass all around them, and a bunch of fing trees to obstruct your view. But you'll love the grass.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Flame suit on.......
Was it useful? Haha, look man, you're a newbie, so don't get your panties in a twist here. I will tell you that I just watched the race on TV. And the screen and camera work doesn't do it justice. Its not a ugly as you think. Its actually very scenic and naturally stunning. The mountains as a backdrop to the flat desert look is a visually stimulating contrast. But you'd need to be there. I think the problem in the race itself is the lack of inspiring camera work. I just finished watching other Euro rounds (actually also a GP round) for the sake of comparison. I don't know what it is about how the Euros cover the track action, but its outstanding. The bikes at Miller were not going any slower, yet they look rather dull. Its camera work man. What ever it is, the Euros know how to do it. (Actually, I think they do better close ups). But make no mistake, the flow and layout of Miller is second to none.
I went last year and was fortunate to go up on a helicopter and view the track from above. Here are a few pics I took. Perhaps this may change your mind. Look at how the track flows, the awesome run off, and the width and quality of the surface. LINK
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kez_91 @ Jun 1 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apsolutley gutted about Leon in race 2, but he always seems to do that when he's put under pressure or is really trying for something... bloody numpty!
Me too. He was really battling with Rea, Haslam has become one of my favs in the series, and is spectacular to watch. Very determined, and it showed all over the track. That incident with Rea is regretable but understandable. BTW, the area where he went off is very tricky and was bitting other riders all weekend. But even with the crash, he is still within a few points of Rea. What I was more disappointed with was the free point he gave to Haga.
Me too. He was really battling with Rea, Haslam has become one of my favs in the series, and is spectacular to watch. Very determined, and it showed all over the track. That incident with Rea is regretable but understandable. BTW, the area where he went off is very tricky and was bitting other riders all weekend. But even with the crash, he is still within a few points of Rea. What I was more disappointed with was the free point he gave to Haga.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jun 1 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Somewhat agree: Tho I think Miller as a track - is a good layout that allows for
lots of passing. On the whole "tumbleweed" vs golf course esthetic . . . as a
geezer, I actually like that old-school "Amurican' race track feel. I "grew up"
racing at Loudon, Pocono, Summit Point and Road Atlanta and Daytona
and remember going for the first time to Mid-Ohio with it's purdy purdy
manicured lawns and duck ponds and .... and thinking how gay the place
was. Most of the guys I raced with were hillbillies from the south or
their equivalent ....-kickers from the mountainous regions of New England and I always
really like the whole pioneer/cowboy feeling of those places.
Good post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Oh . . . and about partying with the Mormons, I think the thing is, you party
in spite of the Mormons! Although - I 'spect they party okay - when the curtains
are drawn, inside their little compounds, with their 6 teenage brides and all.
The Mormons aren't that bad. And actually, we went to this bar called Lumpy's. What ever the Mormon girls are eating, its making their .... grow big time. I .... you not, Boots can attest to my claim, they all had ......... So Mormon girls are ok by me.
Just look what the big ..... girls did to Frosty. It made him go blind from looking so much!
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lots of passing. On the whole "tumbleweed" vs golf course esthetic . . . as a
geezer, I actually like that old-school "Amurican' race track feel. I "grew up"
racing at Loudon, Pocono, Summit Point and Road Atlanta and Daytona
and remember going for the first time to Mid-Ohio with it's purdy purdy
manicured lawns and duck ponds and .... and thinking how gay the place
was. Most of the guys I raced with were hillbillies from the south or
their equivalent ....-kickers from the mountainous regions of New England and I always
really like the whole pioneer/cowboy feeling of those places.
Good post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Oh . . . and about partying with the Mormons, I think the thing is, you party
in spite of the Mormons! Although - I 'spect they party okay - when the curtains
are drawn, inside their little compounds, with their 6 teenage brides and all.
The Mormons aren't that bad. And actually, we went to this bar called Lumpy's. What ever the Mormon girls are eating, its making their .... grow big time. I .... you not, Boots can attest to my claim, they all had ......... So Mormon girls are ok by me.
Just look what the big ..... girls did to Frosty. It made him go blind from looking so much!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 1 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hacking made himself look foolish this weekend. He had a little get together with Parkes in Race 1 but still managed a great result.
So getting a 7th on a Kawasaki and then trying to get a top ten in race two after an unfamiliar standing start is making yourself look foolish? Newsflash, Kawasaki hasn't had a top 7th finish all ....... season genius. Kawasaki has only managed two finishes on the edge of a top ten, yeah that means 10th. Hacking had the best finish Kawasaki has had this entire season! (despite the red flag where he was running inside the top 5). Your assessment of Hacking looking "foolish" is as ignorant as your understanding of politics and economics. Basically zero.
So getting a 7th on a Kawasaki and then trying to get a top ten in race two after an unfamiliar standing start is making yourself look foolish? Newsflash, Kawasaki hasn't had a top 7th finish all ....... season genius. Kawasaki has only managed two finishes on the edge of a top ten, yeah that means 10th. Hacking had the best finish Kawasaki has had this entire season! (despite the red flag where he was running inside the top 5). Your assessment of Hacking looking "foolish" is as ignorant as your understanding of politics and economics. Basically zero.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jun 2 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great times at Miller this weekend. I drove down with a buddy and met up with several Psliders (Jumkie, California Kid, Frosty, Traverser) at the track. Great meeting everyone, we had some good times.
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