WSBK - Portimao - Final Round!!
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That race pretty much sums up the season. Stale anti-climax with only one rider who looks impressive.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 25 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That race pretty much sums up the season. Stale anti-climax with only one rider who looks impressive.
?? - This has been an enthralling season, some great close races, lots of drama, and newer riders coming to prominence. Why are you such a complete ....? Most of the things you say seem to be deliberately contrary or for effect, the rest is simply an attempt to be authoritative courtesy of Google.
Coming to Silverstone next year Tom?
?? - This has been an enthralling season, some great close races, lots of drama, and newer riders coming to prominence. Why are you such a complete ....? Most of the things you say seem to be deliberately contrary or for effect, the rest is simply an attempt to be authoritative courtesy of Google.
Coming to Silverstone next year Tom?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 25 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>?? - This has been an enthralling season, some great close races, lots of drama, and newer riders coming to prominence. Why are you such a complete ....? Most of the things you say seem to be deliberately contrary or for effect, the rest is simply an attempt to be authoritative courtesy of Google.
Coming to Silverstone next year Tom?
Your attitude problem asside, i think world superbike lacks spectacle and too many of the riders let themselfes down over and over. The quality just isn't quite there. As for Silverston, i intend to go provided im not out of the country.
Coming to Silverstone next year Tom?
Your attitude problem asside, i think world superbike lacks spectacle and too many of the riders let themselfes down over and over. The quality just isn't quite there. As for Silverston, i intend to go provided im not out of the country.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 25 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your attitude problem asside, i think world superbike lacks spectacle and too many of the riders let themselfes down over and over. The quality just isn't quite there. As for Silverston, i intend to go provided im not out of the country.
Did you watch the Assen round?
Did you watch the Assen round?
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This thing isnt over yet,weirder things have happened.This result does take the luster off what could have been a winner take all scenario. If i know Ben,which i dont personally, but do tactic wise, he will not go out for the win in race 2. He is a big picture racer and i expect him to find a comfy spot around 3rd or 4th and cruise to the title
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 25 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your attitude problem asside, i think world superbike lacks spectacle and too many of the riders let themselfes down over and over. The quality just isn't quite there. As for Silverston, i intend to go provided im not out of the country.
Attitude problem?? - I enquired whether you would be at Siverstone, there's sure to be a meetup. I'd love to meet someone as knowledgeable as yourself. Most wouldn't have realised that the 81 and 82 GP titles were won on non factory Suzuki's as you did recently. Your knowledge as a (search) engineer continues to astound me, and of course you'd have this encyclopaedic information all to hand, off the top of your head were I to meet you in person.
As 'two-stroke' mentions, did you not watch Assen this year? How do many of the riders let themselves down over and over - and where in particular is the quality not there? I agree that WSBk lacks the depth of field in terms of talent that GP nurtures, and that GP will always be the elite blue ribbon world championship, but your original post; 'stale anti climax' and 'only one rider that looks impressive' is bizarre. Why are you watching it then?
Attitude problem?? - I enquired whether you would be at Siverstone, there's sure to be a meetup. I'd love to meet someone as knowledgeable as yourself. Most wouldn't have realised that the 81 and 82 GP titles were won on non factory Suzuki's as you did recently. Your knowledge as a (search) engineer continues to astound me, and of course you'd have this encyclopaedic information all to hand, off the top of your head were I to meet you in person.
As 'two-stroke' mentions, did you not watch Assen this year? How do many of the riders let themselves down over and over - and where in particular is the quality not there? I agree that WSBk lacks the depth of field in terms of talent that GP nurtures, and that GP will always be the elite blue ribbon world championship, but your original post; 'stale anti climax' and 'only one rider that looks impressive' is bizarre. Why are you watching it then?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 25 2009, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your attitude problem ...ide
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<span style="font-family:Impact<span style="color:#FF0000<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%SPOILER!!!!!!!!
So far as I'm concerned the best man won. Congrats to Yam on their first wsbk world title - congrats to Ben on winning this on his first attempt.
So far as I'm concerned the best man won. Congrats to Yam on their first wsbk world title - congrats to Ben on winning this on his first attempt.
YESSSSSSSSS...he did it!
no gogogo for best non-factory rider 2010 in MotoGP!!!
...think he sould smile a little more!
no gogogo for best non-factory rider 2010 in MotoGP!!!
...think he sould smile a little more!
Not really the showdown I was hoping for but I'll take it!
I really hate Michel Fabrizio more with each passing day.
I really hate Michel Fabrizio more with each passing day.
Interesting that Fabrizio was "allowed" to beat Haga given how close things still were headed into Race 2.
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Irrespective of ones personal stance on team orders, Fabi ...... off. He went underneath Nori and stretched out the lead as opposed to slowing the pace from the front. So Haga fought his way up the field and found his way into second after Rea went wide. At the very least Fabi should have slowed and given Haga the lead, and in the event of Spies being taken out by an erratic Biaggi or a mechanical, Haga takes the title. Those five points he took out of Haga at Imola, plus the five points today. Like Neil Hodgson said in the Eurosport studio, Fabi's job today was to be a teammate, and he didn't do it. Team orders are the norm in racing, Tardozzi chose to favour his rider at Imola and now he's ...... up and he knows it. Ducati will too - because it's team management and titles that count, not rider management. Neil went on to say, that having worked for Ducati, as a small company, racing, and winning the title is everything to them, as opposed to furthering Michael Fabrizio's CV. The resources that they put into racing are enormous because it sells bikes. This championship put an ailing marque into the shop window as a designer brand during the 90's. Coming first today made no difference to Fabi's title standings. The result at Immola and the result today actually cost Haga the title.
I think there's more to Davide and Michael's relationship than meets the eye. This goes beyond a rider manager relationship, and makes Pedro and Puig look almost wholesome.
I think there's more to Davide and Michael's relationship than meets the eye. This goes beyond a rider manager relationship, and makes Pedro and Puig look almost wholesome.
Congrats to Ben Spies as he deserved the win
Better luck for Haga next year. Can't wait to see what Spies got in MotoGP.
I'm a little sad Haga didn't make it but losing to Spies is a fair game.
Better luck for Haga next year. Can't wait to see what Spies got in MotoGP. I'm a little sad Haga didn't make it but losing to Spies is a fair game.
I think both races weren't the showdown that everyone thought was going to happen. After the first race i think most people knew Spies was going to win. I am very glad he won though and look forward to what he will do at Valencia in 2 weeks time. Good on Yamaha too 2 world championships in one day. Not bad!
I think Fabrizio might be in a bit of trouble now though....
I think Fabrizio might be in a bit of trouble now though....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 25 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Attitude problem?? - I enquired whether you would be at Siverstone, there's sure to be a meetup. I'd love to meet someone as knowledgeable as yourself. Most wouldn't have realised that the 81 and 82 GP titles were won on non factory Suzuki's as you did recently. Your knowledge as a (search) engineer continues to astound me, and of course you'd have this encyclopaedic information all to hand, off the top of your head were I to meet you in person.
As an enthusiastic fan of this sport for as long as i have been i think its natural that i pick up some general knowledge along the way. You are welcome to be scpetical about the source of my knowledge but at the end of the day it doesn't actually matter and its sad that you have to turn it into some issue of competition and pride. I'm only here because i like to have a good discussion, i'd prefer it if you were one of the few people capable of that.
As far as the racing itself goes, i either missed Assen or don't remember it (so i'm thinking i missed it). I feel i should clarify that i do appreciate that in the greater scheme of things riders in the world superbike paddock are extremely good. I certainly wouldn't doubt that race by race there is some seriously impressive bike control going on. What i do notice is that over a season very few of the riders can maintain a consistent high level of performance. This reflects badly on the series as a whole and the depth of the field. Additionally i am a big fan of Grand Prix racing and the spectacle and pedigree that comes with it (hell i'm a huge F1 fan), i find superbike lacks this and suffers for it in the long run.
As an enthusiastic fan of this sport for as long as i have been i think its natural that i pick up some general knowledge along the way. You are welcome to be scpetical about the source of my knowledge but at the end of the day it doesn't actually matter and its sad that you have to turn it into some issue of competition and pride. I'm only here because i like to have a good discussion, i'd prefer it if you were one of the few people capable of that.
As far as the racing itself goes, i either missed Assen or don't remember it (so i'm thinking i missed it). I feel i should clarify that i do appreciate that in the greater scheme of things riders in the world superbike paddock are extremely good. I certainly wouldn't doubt that race by race there is some seriously impressive bike control going on. What i do notice is that over a season very few of the riders can maintain a consistent high level of performance. This reflects badly on the series as a whole and the depth of the field. Additionally i am a big fan of Grand Prix racing and the spectacle and pedigree that comes with it (hell i'm a huge F1 fan), i find superbike lacks this and suffers for it in the long run.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 25 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Irrespective of ones personal stance on team orders, Fabi ...... off.
I have to disagree. I think any racer is responsible to achieve the best result they can for their personal sponsors, their side of the garage and team members and for their own career. From a team management point of view constructors points are worth the same regardless of who scores them, and each rider is employed to do their best in the riders standings. Nori didn't win the title this seaosn because HE didn't do well enough, not because somebody else didn't let him win... that isn't racing
I have to disagree. I think any racer is responsible to achieve the best result they can for their personal sponsors, their side of the garage and team members and for their own career. From a team management point of view constructors points are worth the same regardless of who scores them, and each rider is employed to do their best in the riders standings. Nori didn't win the title this seaosn because HE didn't do well enough, not because somebody else didn't let him win... that isn't racing
