Will Rossi win a race? Going back in time a bit
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Kropotkin
Outstanding? Really? Even?-not from my point of view
Jorge and his team got beaten in 12 out of the 18 races last season by Honda, despite the tyre issues, somehow through the 'Bradbury effect they still won the WC-Nicky style.
Looking at Jerez and Texas, Jorge's and VR's Yamaha's both looked well out of sorts, Cal's probably looked the best on track. I would hardly quantify a few seconds behind, for a team that has spent the last two years wallowing in slightly rotten Bolognese Sauce-as being so far 'lost' whilst the other side of the shed, who have been beaten to third twice now are performing Outstandingly??
Wow, you obviously have high expectations for some, and not for others.......? Krop, you would probably delete posts like yours here, from your own site
Fastest laps and pole positions don't win races or titles, Stoner fans should know this
Rossi is in his mid-thirties, Burgess is now 60, they are still easily besting the previous factory yamaha team they replaced, and the sat-yet factory-Tech 3 effort this season. And lets remember we are only 3 races in.....I'll wait till the end of the season to hang titles like 'Outstanding' on teams and riders.
Also, just for interests sake, are you planning on publishing an article on your recent found info around the Dorna Payroll issue? Or is that just for the PS rumour mill.......
Outstanding? Really? Even?-not from my point of view
Jorge and his team got beaten in 12 out of the 18 races last season by Honda, despite the tyre issues, somehow through the 'Bradbury effect they still won the WC-Nicky style.
Looking at Jerez and Texas, Jorge's and VR's Yamaha's both looked well out of sorts, Cal's probably looked the best on track. I would hardly quantify a few seconds behind, for a team that has spent the last two years wallowing in slightly rotten Bolognese Sauce-as being so far 'lost' whilst the other side of the shed, who have been beaten to third twice now are performing Outstandingly??
Wow, you obviously have high expectations for some, and not for others.......? Krop, you would probably delete posts like yours here, from your own site
Fastest laps and pole positions don't win races or titles, Stoner fans should know this
Rossi is in his mid-thirties, Burgess is now 60, they are still easily besting the previous factory yamaha team they replaced, and the sat-yet factory-Tech 3 effort this season. And lets remember we are only 3 races in.....I'll wait till the end of the season to hang titles like 'Outstanding' on teams and riders.
Also, just for interests sake, are you planning on publishing an article on your recent found info around the Dorna Payroll issue? Or is that just for the PS rumour mill.......
thedeal
Just like Gabbarini and Focada of late then? Only Forcada is getting his ... handed to him this year.....and seeing as Stoner and his crew had the best kit last year, looks like it takes more than just the best kit to win titles
On Kit, lets not forget that in the past when tyre supply was how it should still be-open to competition, teams had rubber built for their bikes-and the tyre supplier brought options for set-up and track conditions-now instead Honda brings Chassis's to offer those choices! At least the Ducati team boss has so rightly pointed out, bikes are built around tyres-and its getting worse not better, Bridgestone do not deserve the supply right nor the promotion they are getting from the series.
Just like Gabbarini and Focada of late then? Only Forcada is getting his ... handed to him this year.....and seeing as Stoner and his crew had the best kit last year, looks like it takes more than just the best kit to win titles
On Kit, lets not forget that in the past when tyre supply was how it should still be-open to competition, teams had rubber built for their bikes-and the tyre supplier brought options for set-up and track conditions-now instead Honda brings Chassis's to offer those choices! At least the Ducati team boss has so rightly pointed out, bikes are built around tyres-and its getting worse not better, Bridgestone do not deserve the supply right nor the promotion they are getting from the series.
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Talpa
Good to see you back.
Yes CS and crew did have the best kit last year but for nearly half the season it was handicapped due to the late changes in minimum weight and the introduction of the softer carcass tyre both of which impeded the potential of the bike. By Laguna a newly flexing chassis was rolled out and bizarrely a minor change to the cush drive (no doubt costing pennies) solved the problem. Stoner had the horrendous highside at Indy, but Dani went on to win 6 out of eight races. I'm confident that would have been seven had it not been for the ill fortune and series of events at Misano.
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Just like Gabbarini and Focada of late then? Only Forcada is getting his ... handed to him this year.....and seeing as Stoner and his crew had the best kit last year, looks like it takes more than just the best kit to win titles
On Kit, lets not forget that in the past when tyre supply was how it should still be-open to competition, teams had rubber built for their bikes-and the tyre supplier brought options for set-up and track conditions-now instead Honda brings Chassis's to offer those choices! At least the Ducati team boss has so rightly pointed out, bikes are built around tyres-and its getting worse not better, Bridgestone do not deserve the supply right nor the promotion they are getting from the series.
Good to see you back.
Yes CS and crew did have the best kit last year but for nearly half the season it was handicapped due to the late changes in minimum weight and the introduction of the softer carcass tyre both of which impeded the potential of the bike. By Laguna a newly flexing chassis was rolled out and bizarrely a minor change to the cush drive (no doubt costing pennies) solved the problem. Stoner had the horrendous highside at Indy, but Dani went on to win 6 out of eight races. I'm confident that would have been seven had it not been for the ill fortune and series of events at Misano.
thedeal
In fact, Casey Stoner reinforces the point further.
2007 - WC with 10 wins
2008 - 2nd with 6 wins
2009 - 3rd with 4 wins
2010 - 4th with 3 wins
What happened from 2007 to 2010? Did Casey forget to ride? Or did the bike become increasingly uncompetitive?
In fact, Casey Stoner reinforces the point further.
2007 - WC with 10 wins
2008 - 2nd with 6 wins
2009 - 3rd with 4 wins
2010 - 4th with 3 wins
What happened from 2007 to 2010? Did Casey forget to ride? Or did the bike become increasingly uncompetitive?
Talpa
You mean open to manipulation and corruption by the show owners and your'e GOAT.
3510861368082005
Just like Gabbarini and Focada of late then? Only Forcada is getting his ... handed to him this year.....and seeing as Stoner and his crew had the best kit last year, looks like it takes more than just the best kit to win titles
On Kit, lets not forget that in the past when tyre supply was how it should still be-open to competition, teams had rubber built for their bikes-and the tyre supplier brought options for set-up and track conditions-now instead Honda brings Chassis's to offer those choices! At least the Ducati team boss has so rightly pointed out, bikes are built around tyres-and its getting worse not better, Bridgestone do not deserve the supply right nor the promotion they are getting from the series.
You mean open to manipulation and corruption by the show owners and your'e GOAT.
Talpa
Last season was last season - there was a race break and four-plus months of development - the bikes are different.
You can't compare the resurgence by Pedrosa in the last half of last season with the performance from the opening rounds. You just can't. Saying "<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);font-size:12px;Jorge and his team got beaten in 12 out of the 18 races last season by Honda" should really read "Jorge and his team got beaten x races by Stoner's team and x Races by Pedrosa's team" - if you are talking crews. Or talk Yamaha vs Honda, but don't mix them up. Despite appearances, Lorenzo wasn't the only rider in the Yamaha team last year.
Lorenzo won only one less race than anyone else last year, in case it slipped by you. He also got 10 second places, compared with 4 by his nearest competitor. That's what won the championship for him - consistency and smart riding. It's funny that you are dissing the guy that won the championship... I guess they should put an asterisk by his name for 2012, yes?
There are some holes in your argument...
Tech3 is not 'sat-yet-factory' - they are on last-years factory spec.
Rossi isn't 'easily besting' the team they replaced. There is no 'team they replaced'. That team has dissipated. Spies took Houseworth with him - the rest of the team is the old Pramac/D'Antin guys that have been spannering on the Ducati for 4+ years. Rossi's team is the one he took to Ducati and brought back with him to Yamaha.
Last season was last season - there was a race break and four-plus months of development - the bikes are different.
You can't compare the resurgence by Pedrosa in the last half of last season with the performance from the opening rounds. You just can't. Saying "<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);font-size:12px;Jorge and his team got beaten in 12 out of the 18 races last season by Honda" should really read "Jorge and his team got beaten x races by Stoner's team and x Races by Pedrosa's team" - if you are talking crews. Or talk Yamaha vs Honda, but don't mix them up. Despite appearances, Lorenzo wasn't the only rider in the Yamaha team last year.
Lorenzo won only one less race than anyone else last year, in case it slipped by you. He also got 10 second places, compared with 4 by his nearest competitor. That's what won the championship for him - consistency and smart riding. It's funny that you are dissing the guy that won the championship... I guess they should put an asterisk by his name for 2012, yes?
There are some holes in your argument...
Tech3 is not 'sat-yet-factory' - they are on last-years factory spec.
Rossi isn't 'easily besting' the team they replaced. There is no 'team they replaced'. That team has dissipated. Spies took Houseworth with him - the rest of the team is the old Pramac/D'Antin guys that have been spannering on the Ducati for 4+ years. Rossi's team is the one he took to Ducati and brought back with him to Yamaha.
RCV600RR
There were still these things called wins, only one of which anyone else ever got. No doubt the other bikes improved, but whether the ducati had the massive advanatage that was claimed in the first place will now never be known.
I personally think the 2009 bike was OK, as Stoner said at the time, and that his health wasn't up to it, as he also said at the time. Again imo, the 2010 bike and 2011 bike were definitely pigs. Random front end loses were Stoner's problem in 2010 rather than lack of pace though.
There were still these things called wins, only one of which anyone else ever got. No doubt the other bikes improved, but whether the ducati had the massive advanatage that was claimed in the first place will now never be known.
I personally think the 2009 bike was OK, as Stoner said at the time, and that his health wasn't up to it, as he also said at the time. Again imo, the 2010 bike and 2011 bike were definitely pigs. Random front end loses were Stoner's problem in 2010 rather than lack of pace though.
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Jumkie
Jum drink some water now and then, it will not make you rust... you sound like a broken record.
For the last time I'll repeat this: Ducati in fact didn't do anything special on their bike until Assen 2011, -- and as long as they were not doing anything special, I said they weren't. When they began trying something radical, which was between Assen and Mugello, (the GP11.1 or whatever it was called: it was a mess, but never mind) I commented that they were finally producing an effort. That's it. The really big effort was made in winter 2012, after which they suddenly and misteriously stopped development until last winter (now we know it was because money was frozen during the Audi takeover).
All in all, whatever development was attempted during the Rossi time was nothing out of this world compared to what Honda and Yamaha do every single year, with the difference that it was unsuccessful........! <span style="font-size:14px;And anyway, Jum, the point has never been the amount of development; the point between you and me regarding Rossi-Ducati has always been that you said (and still say...) that Ducati were doing everything they could "for Rossi", whereas I always insisted that whatever they did was "for Ducati" -- a most obvious point, otherwise now with Rossi gone they wouldn't be doing ....., of course.
Do not forget in all this that in winter 2011 you were predicting that Ducati would make a "NASA developed bike for Rossi", that would (in your mind) give Rossi an unfair advantage, again. Remember? You are a real prophet Jum. Keep it up. Y<span style="font-size:14px;our attempts to dismiss the achievements of one of the great riders of recent times are flawed by your excessive bias and paranoia. I've never been the Rossi bopper you try projecting on me, my love for motorcycle racing began before Rossi was born, and will continue after Rossi without any problem.
<span style="font-size:14px;But you'll keep muttering your mantras independently of what I or anybody can say, so please carry on...
Jum drink some water now and then, it will not make you rust... you sound like a broken record.
For the last time I'll repeat this: Ducati in fact didn't do anything special on their bike until Assen 2011, -- and as long as they were not doing anything special, I said they weren't. When they began trying something radical, which was between Assen and Mugello, (the GP11.1 or whatever it was called: it was a mess, but never mind) I commented that they were finally producing an effort. That's it. The really big effort was made in winter 2012, after which they suddenly and misteriously stopped development until last winter (now we know it was because money was frozen during the Audi takeover).
All in all, whatever development was attempted during the Rossi time was nothing out of this world compared to what Honda and Yamaha do every single year, with the difference that it was unsuccessful........! <span style="font-size:14px;And anyway, Jum, the point has never been the amount of development; the point between you and me regarding Rossi-Ducati has always been that you said (and still say...) that Ducati were doing everything they could "for Rossi", whereas I always insisted that whatever they did was "for Ducati" -- a most obvious point, otherwise now with Rossi gone they wouldn't be doing ....., of course.
Do not forget in all this that in winter 2011 you were predicting that Ducati would make a "NASA developed bike for Rossi", that would (in your mind) give Rossi an unfair advantage, again. Remember? You are a real prophet Jum.
Keep it up. Y<span style="font-size:14px;our attempts to dismiss the achievements of one of the great riders of recent times are flawed by your excessive bias and paranoia. I've never been the Rossi bopper you try projecting on me, my love for motorcycle racing began before Rossi was born, and will continue after Rossi without any problem. <span style="font-size:14px;But you'll keep muttering your mantras independently of what I or anybody can say, so please carry on...
