Why Rossi pressed the red button

povol said:

You havnt been here long enough to even understand, so piss off. This goes way back, probably before you first pair of Rossi underwear. But keep it coming though, your status is growing daily and if you keep it up, you might just ascend to head of the fanboy club in record time.



Now for some facts



Capi started the season with a 1st and a 3rd



Next 2 races 6th and an 8th





Won Motegi

12th at Estoril



2nd at Sepang

7th at Philip Island



After an Ok 5th at Germany

8th at Laguna





So mate, where is my argument now, or do you consider that consistent championship form.

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You now you conveniently ignore the tyre war aspect that you actually agreed with only a few posts ago As i said, read back !

povol said:

Is that some kind of cryptic English to back out of a debate when presented with facts.

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Your "facts" are moot as results over a season are what matters. And he had fairly decent results. As talpa already mentioned they had more wins in 06 than the eventual title winner.



Basically you realised that you were getting nowhere, and then decided to debate about consistency....



Keep banging your head against the door though lad.

Talpa said:

selectively of course, he means the 800....oneTroy Bayliss that year, I believe it was a one-two even that race for Ducati, hasn't happened since either. Povol no doubt didn't even see anything that year that didn't relate to Nicky......and with the subseqent hatred bore a now semmingly common blind admiration for anyone who beats Rossi.



The duck was a championship winning machine in 2006, a bike and rider that beat a fully fit Rossi regularly that year and seriously challenged in rounds like Malaysia. Well before Stoner even lay a hand on it.

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Ahem....Bayliss was on the 990 Duke at Valencia `06.Just like to see that right,chap.

'Shots' exchanged between Rossi, Stoner

<H2></H2>Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner have exchanged some verbal 'shots' at Misano after the Italian is reported to have said that it is hard to gauge how good the Ducati is 'since Stoner isn’t pushing to the limit'.



Stoner responded by saying that Rossi should take a look closer to home, as he's been thrashed by his own FIAT Yamaha team-mate Jorge Lorenzo this season...



http://www.racers-republic.com/motogp/news/2168/-shots-exchanged-between-rossi-stoner

Ajith said:

'Shots' exchanged between Rossi, Stoner

<H2></H2>Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner have exchanged some verbal 'shots' at Misano after the Italian is reported to have said that it is hard to gauge how good the Ducati is 'since Stoner isn’t pushing to the limit'.



Stoner responded by saying that Rossi should take a look closer to home, as he's been thrashed by his own FIAT Yamaha team-mate Jorge Lorenzo this season...



http://www.racers-republic.com/motogp/news/2168/-shots-exchanged-between-rossi-stoner

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Hey Stoner....you may have forgotten that Rossi snapped his leg in half, missed 4 rounds and is only 5 points shy of your current rankings. Oh, and eventhough you have been milk free this season, Lorenzo is thrashing your ass just the same. Stoner....you only have 1 more podium this year than Rossi and zero wins to Rossi's 1 win. Go have some ice cream and chill out.



Hey Rossi...that is not fair to say Stoner is not pushing the limits. look how many times he has found the kitty litter!!!!

chopperman said:

You now you conveniently ignore the tyre war aspect that you actually agreed with only a few posts ago

As i said, read back !

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Then that throws away your argument that the Ducati was a championship caliber bike in 06. You cant have it both ways. Either the rider, or the bike was not consistent enough to win the championship

Rob said:

Your "facts" are moot as results over a season are what matters. And he had fairly decent results. As talpa already mentioned they had more wins in 06 than the eventual title winner.

Basically you realised that you were getting nowhere, and then decided to debate about consistency....



Keep banging your head against the door though lad.

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Thank you so much for proving my point, he did have more wins than the eventual title winner, proving his inconsistency. There probably couldnt be a more telling example than you just presented. Again, Thank You

povol said:

Then that throws away your argument that the Ducati was a championship caliber bike in 06. You cant have it both ways. Either the rider, or the bike was not consistent enough to win the championship

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Not at all. You will notice that capi was the top bridgstone rider and the tracks he did not perform baring his recovery from injury were Michelin wins on Michelin prefered tracks, His end of season points bearing in mind the catalyuna crash and his 4 race recovery time prove the Ducati was indeed a championship winning bike. Bayliss also proved it was not that hard to ride by coming in as a wild card in valencia and winning on it.

povol said:

Thank you so much for proving my point, he did have more wins than the eventual title winner, proving his inconsistency. There probably couldnt be a more telling example than you just presented. Again, Thank You

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It proves the bike was competitive in 06, thats all that matters my old mate.



And it seems chopperman has already done the homework to cover consistency.



Where next?

Rob said:

It proves the bike was competitive in 06, thats all that matters my old mate.

And it seems chopperman has already done the homework to cover consistency.



Where next?

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If you can show me where i said the bike was not competitive, i will concede. But you cant, because i never said it wasnt competitive. I said the rider was not consistent. If you blame it on the tires, then the bike was not good enough {consistent] to overcome tracks not suited for the characteristics of said bike. Thats the difference between a championship bike and not. A championship bike runs great on most tracks, and good on the others. Not great on some and terrible on others. So you guys make up your mind if its the bike or the rider, makes no difference to me.

povol said:

If you can show me where i said the bike was not competitive, i will concede. But you cant, because i never said it wasnt competitive. I said the rider was not consistent. If you blame it on the tires, then the bike was not good enough {consistent] to overcome tracks not suited for the characteristics of said bike. Thats the difference between a championship bike and not. A championship bike runs great on most tracks, and good on the others. Not great on some and terrible on others. So you guys make up your mind if its the bike or the rider, makes no difference to me.

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really ! then you tell me what bike in 06 was consistent on all tracks ??? I would say capi's ducat was as consistent as the championship winning , Michelin shod honda !

povol said:

If you can show me where i said the bike was not competitive, i will concede. But you cant, because i never said it wasnt competitive. I said the rider was not consistent. If you blame it on the tires, then the bike was not good enough {consistent] to overcome tracks not suited for the characteristics of said bike. Thats the difference between a championship bike and not. A championship bike runs great on most tracks, and good on the others. Not great on some and terrible on others. So you guys make up your mind if its the bike or the rider, makes no difference to me.

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Nobody was really consistent in 2006.....is it all just because capi is italian, and has rossi in his name?



Anyway i am going for a couple of ibuprofen now

Rob said:

Nobody was really consistent in 2006, hence a title with 2 wins.....so yeah moot, or is it just because capi is italian?

Anyway i am going for a couple of ibuprofen now

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Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Nicky won that title through nothing other than consistency. Andrew Pitt took a Supersport Championship in without winning a race, but he was never off the rostrum. Nicky was consistently scoring points, and consistently finishing. Uncini, like Lucchineli before him were mauled by the critics for capitalising on the misfortune of others. I can name a score of riders who could have secured championships in similar circumstances, but they didn't seize their chance, because they couldn't consistently score from race to race. Perhaps Nicky would have converted more finishes into wins had he not have been saddled with an ostensively developmental motorcycle riddled with experimental Prototype Pedrocycle parts destined for the toy bike that embarrassed HRC so in 2007. This has been exhaustively debated on here already, but I would add, that although I am a huge fan of Nicky, had it not been for turn 1 at Catalunya, '06 was very likely Loris's year.

Rob said:

Nobody was really consistent in 2006, hence a title with 2 wins.....so yeah moot, or is it just because capi is italian?

Anyway i am going for a couple of ibuprofen now

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Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Nicky won that title through nothing other than consistency. Andrew Pitt took a Supersport Championship without even winning a race, but he was never off the rostrum. Nicky was consistently scoring points, and consistently finishing. Uncini, like Lucchineli before him were mauled by the critics for capitalising on the misfortune of others. I can name a score of riders who could have secured championships in similar circumstances, but they didn't seize their chance, because they couldn't consistently score from race to race. Perhaps Nicky would have converted more finishes into wins had he not have been saddled with an ostensively developmental motorcycle riddled with experimental Prototype Pedrocycle parts destined for the toy bike that embarrassed HRC so in 2007. This has been exhaustively debated on here already, but I would add, that although I am a huge fan of Nicky, had it not been for turn 1 at Catalunya, '06 was very likely Loris's year.

Rob said:

Nobody was really consistent in 2006.....is it all just because capi is italian, and has rossi in his name?

Anyway i am going for a couple of ibuprofen now

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Ibuprofen doesn't cure dumb. Trust, I've been on a steady regiment lately. It hasn't made me smarter, but at very least its hasn't made my memory evaporate.



So "nobody was really consistent". Nicky was on the podium 9 of the first 11 races (4 3rds, 3 2nds, 2 1st). So if you saw a picture of the podium you would see Nicky's face almost every time except twice. "Nobody was really consistent"? Pesky facts, eh. Had it not been for his retarded teammate, he would have finish every single race that season, very rare in GP. "Nobody was really consistent."? Pesky facts, eh. Of the 17 events, he qualified in the top 5 12 times. So if you saw a picture of the first or second row on the grid, most likely you would see Nicky all season. "Nobody was really consistent"? Pesky facts, eh. On the few races Nicky didn't podium, only twice was he out of the top five. So that means if Nicky wasn't on the podium, he was either a very close 4th or 5th (other than Pedro's torpedo, where Nicky qualled 3rd, so you can only imagine where he might have finished). "Nobody was really consistent"? Pesky facts, eh. (Or are these facts "moot" to suit your spin?)



Oh, I almost forgot, here is a smile for you.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Nicky won that title through nothing other than consistency. Andrew Pitt took a Supersport Championship in without winning a race, but he was never off the rostrum. Nicky was consistently scoring points, and consistently finishing. Uncini, like Lucchineli before him were mauled by the critics for capitalising on the misfortune of others. I can name a score of riders who could have secured championships in similar circumstances, but they didn't seize their chance, because they couldn't consistently score from race to race. Perhaps Nicky would have converted more finishes into wins had he not have been saddled with an ostensively developmental motorcycle riddled with experimental Prototype Pedrocycle parts destined for the toy bike that embarrassed HRC so in 2007. This has been exhaustively debated on here already, but I would add, that although I am a huge fan of Nicky, had it not been for turn 1 at Catalunya, '06 was very likely Loris's year.

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I bow to your gp knowledge arrab, you know that so 2 questions mate. bear in mind tyre makes on tracks and capi's catalyuna crash and recovery.



A. Was Capi inconsistent, (his podiums are listed above)

B. Was the 06 Ducati championship winning bike.

chopperman said:

I bow to your gp knowledge arrab, you know that so 2 questions mate. bear in mind tyre makes on tracks and capi's catalyuna crash and recovery.



A. Was Capi inconsistent, (his podiums are listed above)

B. Was the 06 Ducati championship winning bike.

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I'll answer them since I know you bow to my knowledge too.



A. Not really the model of consistent. It was a bit erratic, but it was good enough to maintain the championship lead (or tie for lead) when he was taken out.



B. Yes, if Capi had been more consistent.



And I'll add, I have said many times that it looked to be Capi's year, as much as Rossi, as much as Marco Melandri (lets not forget him). Nicky denied them all. But this is racing, and many things happen. Look, if Rossi would have not crashed in Valencia he may have won the title, right? Well yes. But he may have also lost too, something people are not willing to fathom. Its the same with Capi, who looked in great form before the terrible crash. But this doesn't mean we can simply say he would have stayed in form. There are simply way to many factors for us to rewind the tape them forward it with our own perspective then say, ah this is how it would have turned out.



Oh, and to Rob. I have 2006 season memorized, so please, talk about other .... as this one will surely make you look foolish if you decide to follow your current line of reasoning.

chopperman said:

I bow to your gp knowledge arrab, you know that so 2 questions mate. bear in mind tyre makes on tracks and capi's catalyuna crash and recovery.



A. Was Capi inconsistent, (his podiums are listed above)

B. Was the 06 Ducati championship winning bike.

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Since their maiden GP year in '03 Ducati took several steps backwards in '04 to go forwards. I'd say that the GP6 which built on the successes of the preceding year was the bet incarnation of the 990 Desmo because it was the easiest to ride. Bridgestone were getting stronger race by race, and beginning to appropriate Michelin territory. Loris. like Nicky had shown great consistency and it was clear that in preseason testing he was really gelling with the GP6 - and yeah it was a championship winning bike, developed around the tyres - and by that time Bridgestone were producing a great range of compounds unlike Michelins reliance on race day specials. Hence the rule changes which were to crucify Michelin because Bridgestone had the greater all round rubber.

A/ No - at least not prior to Barcelona. His injuries were not too severe, but it unquestionably damaged his campaign. He was also spending far too much time in Ingrids box - which was another distraction

B/ Yes

Arrabbiata1 said:

Since their maiden GP year in '03 Ducati took several steps backwards in '04 to go forwards. I'd say that the GP6 which built on the successes of the preceding year was the bet incarnation of the 990 Desmo because it was the easiest to ride. Bridgestone were getting stronger race by race, and beginning to appropriate Michelin territory. Loris. like Nicky had shown great consistency and it was clear that in preseason testing he was really gelling with the GP6 - and yeah it was a championship winning bike, developed around the tyres - and by that time Bridgestone were producing a great range of compounds unlike Michelins reliance on race day specials. Hence the rule changes which were to crucify Michelin because Bridgestone had the greater all round rubber.

A/ No - at least not prior to Barcelona. His injuries were not too severe, but it unquestionably damaged his campaign. He was also spending far too much time in Ingrids box - which was another distraction

B/ Yes

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I totally agree with what you're saying until you answered question A. well sort of i just can't call a man who came 1st 3 times 2nd 4 times and 3rd once i.e podiuming nearly half the races in a season inconsistent. Maybe this modern "alien" era has raised the stakes in our expections.

chopperman said:

I totally agree with what you're saying until you answered question A. well sort of

i just can't call a man who came 1st 3 times 2nd 4 times and 3rd once i.e podiuming nearly half the races in a season inconsistent. Maybe this modern "alien" era has raised the stakes in our expections.

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Inconsistent. Period. Why doesn't anybody ever say it might have been Marco Melandri's year? After all he finished only 1 point off from Capirossi. Was he consistent? He had 7 podiums and three wins that year. Most people remember Capi because he was tie for the lead before that crash in Catalunya, but guess who else DNFd there too? Don't forget, Melandri buddy. So was was it Melandri's year? In the first 5 races Melandri won two of them, pretty good eh? But he finished 7th the other two and 5th the first. Is this your definition of consistent? Maybe, but not so much right? Two brilliant wins and three fair to midpack races.



He didn't stop either as he had three more podiums in a row, but he sandwiched them with a few midpack races. Consistent?



Most people have looked at 2006 and said, wow, Hayden barely won, but we had Melandri, who finished 4th in the classification, one point from Capi, with 3 wins, Capi's 3 wins, Pedro got his, Vale, etc. The fact is the year had much more parity than just fluke. So when you have this much parity, its a dog fight and podiums begin to mean as much as top fives. Melandri had a few outside the top 5 but within the top 10, yet this put him back in 4th overall (one point from Capi). Consistent? Maybe, maybe not.



Its not about the "aliens" compa as it is the lack of parity. At the moment, its really a two factory race Honda & Yamaha. Ducati is the best of the .... bikes.