Why Rossi pressed the red button

Jumkie said:

Inconsistent. Period. Why doesn't anybody ever say it might have been Marco Melandri's year? After all he finished only 1 point off from Capirossi. Was he consistent? He had 7 podiums and three wins that year. Most people remember Capi because he was tie for the lead before that crash in Catalunya, but guess who else DNFd there too? Don't forget, Melandri buddy. So was was it Melandri's year? In the first 5 races Melandri won two of them, pretty good eh? But he finished 7th the other two and 5th the first. Is this your definition of consistent? Maybe, but not so much right? Two brilliant wins and three fair to midpack races.



He didn't stop either as he had three more podiums in a row, but he sandwiched them with a few midpack races. Consistent?



Most people have looked at 2006 and said, wow, Hayden barely won, but we had Melandri, who finished 4th in the classification, one point from Capi, with 3 wins, Capi's 3 wins, Pedro got his, Vale, etc. The fact is the year had much more parity than just fluke. So when you have this much parity, its a dog fight and podiums begin to mean as much as top fives. Melandri had a few outside the top 5 but with the top 10, yet this but him back in 4th overall (one point from Capi). Consistent? Maybe, maybe not.

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Thats a very good point compa. Im guilty of ignoring marco and how close he was to capi. Cant explain myself in all honesty. Glad you pointed it out.

chopperman said:

really ! then you tell me what bike in 06 was consistent on all tracks ??? I would say capi's ducat was as consistent as the championship winning , Michelin shod honda !

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I would say Hayden over Capirossi....



Hayden had 14 of 17 top 5 finishes including 10 podiums with 2 wins............. Capirossi had 9 of 17 top 5 finishes including 8 podiums with 2 wins



Also both Hayden and Capirossi each had only one crash for the season and ironically both were caused by their own teammate!!!





It can't be broken down any better!!!!!

FACTORY said:

I would say Hayden over Capirossi....



Hayden had 14 of 17 top 5 finishes including 10 podiums with 2 wins............. Capirossi had 9 of 17 top 5 finishes including 8 podiums with 2 wins



Also both Hayden and Capirossi each had only one crash for the season and ironically both were caused by their own teammate!!!





It can't be broken down any better!!!!!

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I tell you what this debate is proving, What an exciting season 06 (the last 990) season really was

Jumkie said:

Ibuprofen doesn't cure dumb. Trust, I've been on a steady regiment lately. It hasn't made me smarter, but at very least its hasn't made my memory evaporate.



So "nobody was really consistent". Nicky was on the podium 9 of the first 11 races (4 3rds, 3 2nds, 2 1st). So if you saw a picture of the podium you would see Nicky's face almost every time except twice. "Nobody was really consistent"? Pesky facts, eh. Had it not been for his ........ teammate, he would have finish every single race that season, very rare in GP. "Nobody was really consistent."? Pesky facts, eh. Of the 17 events, he qualified in the top 5 12 times. So if you saw a picture of the first or second row on the grid, most likely you would see Nicky all season. "Nobody was really consistent"? Pesky facts, eh. On the few races Nicky didn't podium, only twice was he out of the top five. So that means if Nicky wasn't on the podium, he was either a very close 4th or 5th (other than Pedro's torpedo, where Nicky qualled 3rd, so you can only imagine where he might have finished). "Nobody was really consistent"? Pesky facts, eh. (Or are these facts "moot" to suit your spin?)



Oh, I almost forgot, here is a smile for you.

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When you judge consistency in motogp you have to judge based on other benchmarks. SOOOOOooooo like i said before nobody was really consistent in 06....certainly in terms of Hayden/capirossi, and CERTAINLY compared to seasons before and since. Not like someone was coming in 1st/2nd the entire season as we see the benchmark of consistency today. 06 was all over the place in terms of results.



Capirossi:



1st: 3 times

2nd: 4 times

3rd: 1 time



Hayden:



1st: 2 times

2nd: 3 times

3rd: 5 times



Overall points from podium poistions



Capirossi: 171

Hayden: 190



Wow hardly a massive difference....povol you say capi wasnt consistent on the duc, i say he was barely less cosistent than hayden in terms of podiums. Actually beating him in terms of wins and 2nd places.



Nobody did consistently well in 2006....hence why 2 wins was enough.



In fact as far as seasons go it may well have been a corker, but it was imo(with facts to boot) the most INCONSISTENT season for a long, long while........10+ years in fact!



2000: title winner was 1st 4 times, 2nd 4 times, 3rd 1 time Total from podiums 196 TOTAL 258

2001: title winner was 1st 11 times, 2nd 1 time, 3rd 1 time Total from podiums 311 TOTAL 325

2002: title winner was 1st 11 times, 2nd 4 times, 3rd 0 times Total from podiums 355 TOTAL 355

2003: title winner was 1st 9 times, 2nd 5 times, 3rd 2 times Total from podiums 357 TOTAL 357

2004: title winner was 1st 9 times, 2nd 2 times, 3rd 0 times Total from podiums 265 TOTAL 304

2005: title winner was 1st 11 times, 2nd 3 times, 3rd 2 times Total from podiums 367 TOTAL 367

2006: title winner was 1st 2 times, 2nd 3 times, 3rd 5 times Total from podiums 190 TOTAL 252

2007: title winner was 1st 10 times, 2nd 2 times, 3rd 2 times Total from podiums 322 TOTAL 367

2008: title winner was 1st 9 times, 2nd 5 times, 3rd 2 times Total from podiums 357 TOTAL 373

2009: title winner was 1st 6 times, 2nd 5 times, 3rd 2 times Total from podiums 282 TOTAL 306

2010: So far lorenzo was 1st 7 times, 2nd 3 times, 3rd 1 time Total from podiums

251 so far TOTAL SO FAR 1 less than haydens total for the whole 2006 season



2006 was the weakest season in terms of consistency by far(apart from 2000) of any season of the last 10 years, 2000 came close but was still ahead in total podium points.



The rest make the so called consistency of 2006 look frankly laughable.



Funnily enough in 2009 Dani scored 1st 2 times, 2nd 3 times, and 3rd 6 times....thats 1 more podiums than hayden in 2006 yet it was only enough to just scrape 3rd place overall from Casey(who finished 14 points behind).



It doesnt stop there either...in 2008 Dani scored 1st 2 times, 2nd 5 times, and 3rd 4 times....thats more than 2009 and still only enough for 3rd overall.



Stoner in 2008 had 6 victories and finished on 280 points.....only enough for a distant 2nd.



Only about half of the championships since 2000 would the total points tally for the 2006 winner, even get you 2nd place, the other half would only get you 3rd.



Hardly a shining beacon of consistency?



Those pesky facts, eh?

Facts don't lie rob, good post.

can't wait hope they give him a sweeeeeeeeeeeet custom livery

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/September/seo1310-yamaha-boss-would-release-rossi-for-testing/



Yamaha boss Masao Furusawa has said his personal preference is not to block Valentino Rossi from testing for Ducati in Valencia in early November.



But the senior race boss, who was influential in helping Rossi win four MotoGP titles for the Japanese factory, said it was difficult contractually to let the Italian begin testing for Ducati immediately after the final race.



Yamaha has still to release Rossi from his contract to test for Ducati in Valencia in early November.



The Italian has piled pressure on Yamaha management recently by declaring his confidence that he will be freed from his contract to make his much-anticipated Ducati debut on November 9.



He has said it is only fair that Yamaha grant Ducati’s request for Rossi to test after he transformed the YZR-M1 from a no-hoper into consistent winner.



Yamaha is aware that holding Rossi to his contract could be a spectacular PR own goal, with any backlash inevitably hitting them.



Furusawa said: “From a contract standpoint he will not be allowed to test after Valencia. It is not just between Valentino and Yamaha, we have a lot of sponsors and contracts and it is really difficult to convince all of the people who are involved in this issue. So it is really difficult to allow Valentino to test at Valencia.”



Furusawa though has enjoyed an intimate relationship with Rossi since he signed the Italian at the end of 2003.



And it is clear that his personal view is Rossi should be released.



“My personal view is I am a fan of Valentino’s and I would release him to Ducati after Valencia. But as this moment I can’t say anything,“ added Furusawa.

Ajith said:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/September/seo1310-yamaha-boss-would-release-rossi-for-testing/



Yamaha boss Masao Furusawa has said his personal preference is not to block Valentino Rossi from testing for Ducati in Valencia in early November.



But the senior race boss, who was influential in helping Rossi win four MotoGP titles for the Japanese factory, said it was difficult contractually to let the Italian begin testing for Ducati immediately after the final race.



Yamaha has still to release Rossi from his contract to test for Ducati in Valencia in early November.



The Italian has piled pressure on Yamaha management recently by declaring his confidence that he will be freed from his contract to make his much-anticipated Ducati debut on November 9.



He has said it is only fair that Yamaha grant Ducati’s request for Rossi to test after he transformed the YZR-M1 from a no-hoper into consistent winner.



Yamaha is aware that holding Rossi to his contract could be a spectacular PR own goal, with any backlash inevitably hitting them.



Furusawa said: “From a contract standpoint he will not be allowed to test after Valencia. It is not just between Valentino and Yamaha, we have a lot of sponsors and contracts and it is really difficult to convince all of the people who are involved in this issue. So it is really difficult to allow Valentino to test at Valencia.”



Furusawa though has enjoyed an intimate relationship with Rossi since he signed the Italian at the end of 2003.



And it is clear that his personal view is Rossi should be released.



“My personal view is I am a fan of Valentino’s and I would release him to Ducati after Valencia. But as this moment I can’t say anything,“ added Furusawa.

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Since he is contracted thru the end of December, hold back a couple of months salary and let him go. Thats equitable.