Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

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Your saying he could force Honda or Yamaha to supply Rossi with a bike against their will.



He forced Bridgestone to supply Rossi tyres against their will in 2008.



When negotiating you use what ever leverage you have. Dorna is currently negotiating with the MSMA over rules. Easy for Dorna to relax rules in favour of what Yamaha or Honda want if they agree to supply Dorna's golden clown with a good bike.
 
I reckon Honda or Yamaha would sell Rossi a bike. But they would not pay him to ride any more, simply because there are better riders out there now.
 
Will Lorenzo allow Rossi to have a Yamaha.



Anyone remember the wall?
 
This place used to be just mental, now it is scary mental.
 
This place used to be just mental, now it is scary mental.



Have you ever posted ANYTHING of value to a topic??
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This place used to be just mental, now it is scary mental.

I actually agree. There seems to be a developing feeding frenzy similar to that involving stoner in 2009, except rossi of course has achieved much more. If he can't ride ducati motogp bikes or can't adapt his riding style to ride them at this stage in his career, or the joy of competition is gone after sepang 2011, it doesn't negate what he did on all those other bikes.
 
Something has to be said about this utter Bt too, that you think that "Melandri and Rossi are completely missing a whole set of skills that Stoner has". You keep saying it, and I think other people are actually convinced by it.... hence the "Bend stoner over on a table" attitude on here.



They are both missing skills?? That i'm sure you believe any other rider that can't kid skid a GP bike before and at the exit of sharp bends. Who told you this? where did you get it from??? Do you not think Rossi or Melandri, racing motorcycles since they were toddlers could not achieve this? Rossi also does motorcross so don't give me that ...., "Stoner learnt from motorcross". They all have the ability to do this, granted some obviously better than others, and if you watch Moto2 carefully i think you'll find they all do it.



A prime example as to why not all of the riders do it is exactly what unfolded on sunday night. People are claiming Stoner is injured, not done race pace in practice.... Blah, blah, blah... The fact of the matter is, it might get your ... round a corner faster, but riding on the edge as stoner does, WEARS YOUR TIRES OUT! simple. Hence why he dropped off the pace on sunday. His tires were ....... So claiming that riders are missing a "full set of skills" cause you wear StonerVisionTM glasses is utter .... and I just wanted to make sure that people know, or have the opportunity to know this. Goodnight..... again
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It is ridiculous to think that because the current ducati is a pig or even because rossi can't adapt to riding it at this stage in his career as may be the case that this negates all that he did on all those other bikes.



The rest of your post illustrates what started all this argy bargy in the first place; in the process of criticising others for jumping to conclusions you jump to conclusions yourself, it being different in your case because you know you are right perhaps?
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Does anyone not think that perhaps Casey took to the Ducati so well because he wasn't institutionalised?
Casey was cross bred. Learned in Aus and honed in Europe.

Melandri and Rossi are completely missing a whole set of skills that Stoner has and that he has proved to be very adept at. ie. adjusting to oddities of grip balance. That he got during several years of dirt track racing.
But Casey is more than that - like Aus most if not all NA riders have dirt track experience as well. Casey is special for more than just his dirt trackin'.

...things so far haven't worked out for Rossi at Ducati.
The only thing you said that maent anything!

Whilst it is certainly true to say that one does not lose talent overnight, I would however say that one can certainly lose drive and desire overnight and (IMO only) it is here where I think the current Rossi find himself.
Yes! And just as easily it can come back under the right circumstances.

Rossi was built up on Dorna and his fans believing he was god and was capable of riding and or developing anything to race wins.
THe rest of your post was good! But this bit is pure .... mate! Rossi was a phenome before he even got to the premier class.

Your saying he could force Honda or Yamaha to supply Rossi with a bike against their will.
YES!

BarryMachine' timestamp='1334107315' post='310660 said:
I don't think Stoner is the only one with those skills ..
And there's the point. You keep driving on this like rotating the engine, you should be bright enough to realise things aren't so black and white.

BarryMachine' timestamp='1334108009' post='310663 said:
I reckon Honda or Yamaha would sell Rossi a bike. But they would not pay him to ride any more.
If you had just stopped there... the better riders part was subjective and surreptitious.
 
And there's the point. You keep driving on this like rotating the engine, you should be bright enough to realise things aren't so black and white.

In the Rossi v's Stoner case they are.







If you had just stopped there... the better riders part was subjective and surreptitious.

WhyTF would I stop there when I wanted to push the point that Stoner, Pedro and Lorenzo are better. Had I have stopped, you would have noting to post about! Naturally I am also aware that your opinion that my point was subjective and surreptitious, is subjective and surreptitious.
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I think stoner fairly clearly had unique skills as far as the ducati is concerned; people like melandri, capirossi and guareschi as well as burgess and rossi themselves have said so apart from anything else. Whether it was a good idea to design a bike which requires such skills is another question, although I suspect that they wouldn't have the one world championship without that extreme design.



I can't see any evidence at all for any skill deficiency in rossi in regard to any other bike he has ridden (obviously rather the contrary), of which there are more than a few. How would extra skill have manifested, would he have had more than 12 wins a season or had better than the best winning percentage in the modern era of gp racing?
 
So Barry machine, what your saying is that only the riders that you see riding well in speedway are the only riders that possess the skills to do well in it, and the only riders that can ride like stoner? Bollocks.



And "your ambition outweighs your talent" isn't one of the best comments in sport history as you say, it's actually very much the opposite. It's like the manager of Chelsea saying it to Alex ferguson (man united). Hope you get the reference, I know not all of you like football or "soccer". An I'm a Liverpool fan so that's saying something. The fact is stoner cannot say somthing like that to someone as successful as Rossi until he has atleast equalled rossi's success. Which I don't think will ever happen, even now. Rossi went to apologise for a mistake like a gentlemen (even god makes errors of judgement) an stoner completely dismissed him for having balls and trying to make a pass and actually making races interesting.



And you mick d, the only thing i said that meant anything to you? Well atleast what I said meant something, cause EVERYTHING you say means .... all to me! Get your head out of Stoners ...! Rossi's has more titles, so I'm told
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So you think Rossi should be considered untouchable? Football ..... logic that is. And the whole 'like a gentleman'-crap has been discussed to death a year ago already.
 
Did I say anything like that? What I said was I dont think stoner will catch him, he's not that much better than his nearest competition.



And just because you don't understand the reference doesn't mean you should crisise an entire sport. A sport that happens to be the most played and watched in the WORLD! ...... tard. The sport wasn't important anyway, I'll spell it put for you. Chelsea are only recently in the last 8 years, challenging at the top, and have won 3 titles (stoner, I know he has two but not relevant) united(Rossi) have been the best English team over the last 25 years, and therefore it would be just as idiotic, ignorant and arrogant for the chelsea manager to say to united, "your ambition is greater than the talent you possess. It's exactly the same situation. Stoner has no right and made a fool of himself, despite what people on here think, the majority of GP fans I'm certain think the same. Just go on the YouTube clip an see comments.



And finally if Rossi hadnt have gone and offered his apology, then you would have slated him and called him unsportsmanlike and not a gent. So yes it was the gentleman thing to do, what more did you want from him?
 
So Barry machine, what your saying is that only the riders that you see riding well in speedway are the only riders that possess the skills to do well in it, and the only riders that can ride like stoner? Bollocks.



And "your ambition outweighs your talent" isn't one of the best comments in sport history as you say, it's actually very much the opposite. It's like the manager of Chelsea saying it to Alex ferguson (man united). Hope you get the reference, I know not all of you like football or "soccer". An I'm a Liverpool fan so that's saying something. The fact is stoner cannot say somthing like that to someone as successful as Rossi until he has atleast equalled rossi's success. Which I don't think will ever happen, even now. Rossi went to apologise for a mistake like a gentlemen (even god makes errors of judgement) an stoner completely dismissed him for having balls and trying to make a pass and actually making races interesting.



And you mick d, the only thing i said that meant anything to you? Well atleast what I said meant something, cause EVERYTHING you say means .... all to me! Get your head out of Stoners ...! Rossi's has more titles, so I'm told
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.it'd be like me telling Roger, "hey te corre la sangre como atole" ..the mofo aint going to have a clue what i just said
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Damn I'm one cynical ......., yes I know.



You're also a loud mouthed ..... who refused your own challenge of a race when offered
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I don't think he will, but something serious will change...probably (the) Ducati.
 
Inizio del divorzio to the divorce ? Vales Italian TV interview ? Translate ?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTATYgaot2s[/media]



"The beginning of the Rossi-Ducati divorce"



In a nutshell, Rossi says the bike is unrideable for him, in the sense that he cannot ride it in his typical style; the 2012 model is better in the sense that it is more sincere at the front (i.e. it warns you before you lose it) but it is still understeering and does not allow him to get into the corners the way he likes. So he cannot ride 100% on it. He said he has given all the inputs to the engineers (that means describing what the bike does in a precise way; he stressed the fact that he's not an engineer and cannot indicate solutions, but only describe symptoms), since Valencia 2010, but so far they have been incapable of fixing the problems. So now his hopes are very low; he actually said "I spent all my hopes in 2011".
 

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