Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

J4rn0 said:

So according to you Ducati can't, and Suzuki and Kawasaki just did not want to commit.

It's funny then that Suzuki and Kawasaki did try for several years, before failing and giving up.



Are they stupid, that they thought they could beat Honda and Yamaha without committing adequate resources?

The truth is that when you compete in MotoGP you can win or lose, and you can find that out only by trying (with the exception of forums where you can know everything without ever having tried).

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You have to spend money to compete in GP, Ask Krop what Rizla was giving Suzuki to have their name plastered on the side of the bike.It didnt cover the tire cost. Ducati is trying, they just cant get it right. Towards the end, Kawasaki was trying not to get sued. Bottom line, neither committed to the sport like Honda, Yamaha, and even Ducati. Both have the resources to be winners in GP, especially Kawasaki, they simply choose not to use them. If KHI set out today to win in GP, they could. You hire the best engineers, the best technicians, the best crew chief, and the best riders, chances are, your going to win races.That plan works well for Honda and Yamaha.

Rossi_fan said:

Rossi only has himself to blame. His pride got in the way at Yamaha when they wanted to give jorge more money and the equal footing as him.



Now his legacy is a bit tarnished, and is worse shape then if he was simply beat by a younger teammate on the same bike. He could have mentored Jorge and passed the torch properly. People would have respected him for that.

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No offense, but by the time Rossi left Yamaha, Jorge didnt need his mentoring. He was world champion with zero help from Rossi. Actually, worse than zero help, since Rossi built walls and did everything in his power to derail his progress. The coup de grace was when he punted his teammate

who was trying to sew up a world championship. I personally believe that neither Yamaha or Honda will supply Rossi with a bike if he leaves Ducati. He has burnt bridges and it will come back to haunt him. At this point in time, i would guess Lorenzo has veto power at Yamaha, and i would guess Stoner has veto power at Honda. Rossi has alienated them both and has left himself with few options

povol said:

You have to spend money to compete in GP, Ask Krop what Rizla was giving Suzuki to have their name plastered on the side of the bike.It didnt cover the tire cost. Ducati is trying, they just cant get it right. Towards the end, Kawasaki was trying not to get sued. Bottom line, neither committed to the sport like Honda, Yamaha, and even Ducati. Both have the resources to be winners in GP, especially Kawasaki, they simply choose not to use them. If KHI set out today to win in GP, they could. You hire the best engineers, the best technicians, the best crew chief, and the best riders, chances are, your going to win races.That plan works well for Honda and Yamaha.

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I think Suzuki and Kawa began in earnest their MotoGP effort, but after quite a few years when the podiums were not coming (in spite of their pure Japanese designs) they gradually scaled the operation back and eventually withdrew. Had their bikes been winning or at least scoring, they'd have found the resources to continue.

povol said:

No offense, but by the time Rossi left Yamaha, Jorge didnt need his mentoring. He was world champion with zero help from Rossi. Actually, worse than zero help, since Rossi built walls and did everything in his power to derail his progress. The coup de grace was when he punted his teammate

who was trying to sew up a world championship. I personally believe that neither Yamaha or Honda will supply Rossi with a bike if he leaves Ducati. He has burnt bridges and it will come back to haunt him. At this point in time, i would guess Lorenzo has veto power at Yamaha, and i would guess Stoner has veto power at Honda. Rossi has alienated them both and has left himself with few options

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Yes but Ezpeleta has veto power over both Honda and Yamaha and we know where his vote goes.



I also think both riders would have no trouble with Rossi being on their brand. It would help them to complete the demolition of his legacy.

Mental Anarchist said:

Yes but Ezpeleta has veto power over both Honda and Yamaha and we know where his vote goes.



I also think both riders would have no trouble with Rossi being on their brand. It would help them to complete the demolition of his legacy.

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Hmmm, didn't think of it this way. I think you're right on both points.

Well apparently there is a rumor going around that Rossi has left ducati, Marco Melandri has tweeted about it.

eta this is the second time Melandri has done this lol, did these two ever have a problem or is Melandri just still upset about his time on the red bike.

Most of the comments on this thread are so easily said because things so far haven't worked out for Rossi at Ducati. How simple is it to come up with some intelligent-looking comment and give an explanation as to why it hasn't worked out whilst having a dig at the man too. You don't just lose talent overnight and I hope to ....... God that all of the comments on here come back and bite the lot of you on the arse. If any of you think for one second that if he was back at Yamaha or Honda he wouldn't challenge then you are just stupid. It's obvious he doesn't like the bike and therefore can't trust it through the bends and is unable to push. Oh if you think this is a biased comment then F you cause I also support Crutchlow, Hayden, Edwards, Bautista and Pasini. Goodnight x

BarryMachine said:

Well even if it was moderately true it would have a miniscule effect when compared to the main reason ........... Melandri and Rossi are completely missing a whole set of skills that Stoner has and that he has proved to be very adept at. ie. adjusting to oddities of grip balance. That he got during several years of dirt track racing.

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Something has to be said about this utter Bt too, that you think that "Melandri and Rossi are completely missing a whole set of skills that Stoner has". You keep saying it, and I think other people are actually convinced by it.... hence the "Bend stoner over on a table" attitude on here.



They are both missing skills?? That i'm sure you believe any other rider that can't kid skid a GP bike before and at the exit of sharp bends. Who told you this? where did you get it from??? Do you not think Rossi or Melandri, racing motorcycles since they were toddlers could not achieve this? Rossi also does motorcross so don't give me that ...., "Stoner learnt from motorcross". They all have the ability to do this, granted some obviously better than others, and if you watch Moto2 carefully i think you'll find they all do it.



A prime example as to why not all of the riders do it is exactly what unfolded on sunday night. People are claiming Stoner is injured, not done race pace in practice.... Blah, blah, blah... The fact of the matter is, it might get your ... round a corner faster, but riding on the edge as stoner does, WEARS YOUR TIRES OUT! simple. Hence why he dropped off the pace on sunday. His tires were ....... So claiming that riders are missing a "full set of skills" cause you wear StonerVisionTM glasses is utter .... and I just wanted to make sure that people know, or have the opportunity to know this. Goodnight..... again

Hoppers13 said:

Most of the comments on this thread are so easily said because things so far haven't worked out for Rossi at Ducati. How simple is it to come up with some intelligent-looking comment and give an explanation as to why it hasn't worked out whilst having a dig at the man too. You don't just lose talent overnight and I hope to ....... God that all of the comments on here come back and bite the lot of you on the arse. If any of you think for one second that if he was back at Yamaha or Honda he wouldn't challenge then you are just stupid. It's obvious he doesn't like the bike and therefore can't trust it through the bends and is unable to push. Oh if you think this is a biased comment then F you cause I also support Crutchlow, Hayden, Edwards, Bautista and Pasini. Goodnight x

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I have been avoiding commenting seriously in this thread but have decided to throw some thoughts out there and it is the highlighted line above (not the poster as it has been said before) that to me simply summarises the confusion factor surrounding the current trevails of Rossi and Ducati.



Whilst it is certainly true to say that one does not lose talent overnight, I would however say that one can certainly lose drive and desire overnight and (IMO only) it is here where I think the current Rossi find himself.



Firstly and foremost, Rossi (and his associated personal team) are winners, not placegetters or mid-packers but winners and as such they know how to win, but for some reason or a combination of reasons they have simply not been able to win over the recent times.Couple this with the reality of the situation that not only are they not winning, but one could well assert that they are not even competitive when relative to the past and current competition and we can see teh potential for a serious problem.



When this occurs one can easily see why a person or team may lose some drive and to me I see this as part (certainly not the whole) of why the current Rossi is struggling and personally, whilst I may not be his biggest fan I find it sad to watch. Rossi has had an extremely tough time since his first serious injury in 2010 and last year was caught up in tragedy of a close friend which when we see the troubles he is having with the Ducati all would compound and make him question whether he wishes to continue, or whether he needs this in his life (he is also reportedly in court battles against accountants).



I read in another forum a post (admittedly a non-professional post) from a person who asked a simple question and one that I do think was relevant .............................. could circumstances have Rossi suffering from clinical depression?





My totally honest view is that I hope that Rossi's dalliances in the Ferrari GTO car that are scheduled (I believe 2 separate races are pencilled in) allow him to regain the fire in the stomach that is required to compete. However, shoudl these races show him that his true desire is not on two wheels then I do hope that he makes the correct decision for himself now and into the future.

Gaz said:

I have been avoiding commenting seriously in this thread but have decided to throw some thoughts out there and it is the highlighted line above (not the poster as it has been said before) that to me simply summarises the confusion factor surrounding the current trevails of Rossi and Ducati.



Whilst it is certainly true to say that one does not lose talent overnight, I would however say that one can certainly lose drive and desire overnight and (IMO only) it is here where I think the current Rossi find himself.



Firstly and foremost, Rossi (and his associated personal team) are winners, not placegetters or mid-packers but winners and as such they know how to win, but for some reason or a combination of reasons they have simply not been able to win over the recent times.Couple this with the reality of the situation that not only are they not winning, but one could well assert that they are not even competitive when relative to the past and current competition and we can see teh potential for a serious problem.



When this occurs one can easily see why a person or team may lose some drive and to me I see this as part (certainly not the whole) of why the current Rossi is struggling and personally, whilst I may not be his biggest fan I find it sad to watch. Rossi has had an extremely tough time since his first serious injury in 2010 and last year was caught up in tragedy of a close friend which when we see the troubles he is having with the Ducati all would compound and make him question whether he wishes to continue, or whether he needs this in his life (he is also reportedly in court battles against accountants).



I read in another forum a post (admittedly a non-professional post) from a person who asked a simple question and one that I do think was relevant .............................. could circumstances have Rossi suffering from clinical depression?





My totally honest view is that I hope that Rossi's dalliances in the Ferrari GTO car that are scheduled (I believe 2 separate races are pencilled in) allow him to regain the fire in the stomach that is required to compete. However, shoudl these races show him that his true desire is not on two wheels then I do hope that he makes the correct decision for himself now and into the future.

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i seen tweets ask how is Rossi after Marco's Death ? he seems to have taken it in his stride but has he ??

spooky said:

I knew you were going to say that ya wee joaby! I spose you're right, in the same way Rossi has a different set of skills in the mental department... Should Ducati be mentoring riders through dirt bike riding schools in order to get someone who is capable of riding their machine?

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Mentally yes Rossi is the same as Melandri .......... Stoner had the mental fortitude to suck it up and still ride on.

When I say "ride on" I mean ride it hard to win.

Rossi and Melandri were just frustrating to watch on it. Like watching a kindergarten nerd with a hot chic, they are excited but have no idea what "buttons to push".



On the dirt bike stuff ............ Now thats an interesting point. Ducati don't make dirtbikes. Maybe they should start? maybe Honda and Yam know the difference needed because they do make dirtbikes?



No Ducati should not hold dirtbike schools, especially since they would have absolutely no idea hence would likely just stuff kids up.



But they should watch out for new Stoners ( including a simillar background ) ........ hence grab Sissus for no before its too late.

It is definately possible. It all depends on how he is REALLY taking it. For someone who probably thrives in having high seratonin levels, defeat after defeat would having a really ill effect on him. When someone experiences so many negative influences, it is possible for their body to stop making so much of this chemical, which is where depression kicks off from.



If this is the case, his brain wouldn't be able to process the info coming in as well, and this would most certainly effect his ability to ride a motorcycle.



I hope this isn't his problem, as I wouldn't wish depression on anyone, it's some nasty .....

digger said:

It is definately possible. It all depends on how he is REALLY taking it. For someone who probably thrives in having high seratonin levels, defeat after defeat would having a really ill effect on him. When someone experiences so many negative influences, it is possible for their body to stop making so much of this chemical, which is where depression kicks off from.



If this is the case, his brain wouldn't be able to process the info coming in as well, and this would most certainly effect his ability to ride a motorcycle.



I hope this isn't his problem, as I wouldn't wish depression on anyone, it's some nasty .....

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YES Yes And YES!!! well put. I alluded to that when I said before Rossi is like Melandri ..... thats part of why I thought it was "suicide" for Rossi to go Ducati.



When kids start big supercross jumps I pull them up fast when they start coming up short and casing it. Though its a tad different, the problem with big jumps is just before the take off the mind subconsciously starts to say "No! ain't doing it" and the rider ,even though he thinks he is counteracting it, backs off ......... bad .......... the cure is to stop and build up again at more achievable jumps. The "subconscious/reflex/auto" is strong never fight it too much, it will win and get even better at its job or protecting you. I personally think its a very bad thing to try and turn it off.

The biggest problem facing people with depression is digging themselves out of the hole they find themselves in. As it gets worse, even positive things seem negative, and so the hole gets deeper.



If this is Rossi's problem (all speculation), then he has to get out of the gp circus for a bit. He must remove all the negative influences in his life, and take up stamp collecting or some ...., to help piece his mind back together.



Without that serotonin bouncing around, he would find being happy with anything nearly impossible.



More I think about this, the more sense it makes. I've seen my dad crippled with this .... twice.

Hoppers13,



Tell me where does talent live in the body? At the hands, the feet, the arms, the legs? None of these. Talent lives in the mind and the body simply reacts to the mind. Sure the body has to be physically capable but with out the mind the body is nothing. For this reason talent can be lost overnight. Once the mind has doubt the talent is lost. Rossi was built up on Dorna and his fans believing he was god and was capable of riding and or developing anything to race wins. This myth has been shattered and the affects of that are stronger no where more than in the Ducati pit box.



It is also reality that both Honda and Yamaha have gone on to develop sensational motorcycles without the input of Rossi. Surely Rossi knows this and it must weigh on his mind because I have no doubt that he told himself that they will fail without him.



As far as your second ........ post goes it is now common knowledge that none of the podium riders suffered tyre wear issues. So it kinda makes your assertion that Stoner destroyed his tyres look more than a little bit silly. Nearly as silly as your qualification that because you support other riders your opinion is unbiased. Guess what? We all support lots of riders, big deal.

Hoppers13 said:

They are both missing skills?? That i'm sure you believe any other rider that can't kid skid a GP bike before and at the exit of sharp bends. Who told you this? where did you get it from??? Do you not think Rossi or Melandri, racing motorcycles since they were toddlers could not achieve this? Rossi also does motorcross so don't give me that ...., "Stoner learnt from motorcross". They all have the ability to do this, granted some obviously better than others, and if you watch Moto2 carefully i think you'll find they all do it.

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Stoner was not a motocross rider.



The skills do not come from motocross



Rossi now knows that and is at least having a go at learning what Stoner knows. Though very unsuccessfully ( see all the videos he is posting from the "motoranch".

Specifically see Rossi's attempt and reaction to a ride on a speedway bike.

He is totally devoid of any such skills ...... Stoner was a multiple champion at such skills at a very young age



Motocross Get real.



You have absolutely no idea ........ a perfect fan for Rossi



Minute 7:20 on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo4tsDIDsUQ&feature=related



No brakes! he is un-nerved. He even covers the front brake on his own bike!!



I don't speak italian but I believe he was a bit put out by his ride roll on a speedway machine ........ anybody care to translate his reaction? My feeling is he is calling them nuts???

What the actual ....? "Once the mind has doubt the talent is lost" "talent can be lost overnight"



Do you not think that any riders or even any professionals in sport for that matter ever have doubt about their own talent? Of course they do, that was such a stupid thing to say.

When a GP rider had their first spill at a young age, do you not think their was doubt in their mind that maybe they might not be cut out for the sport. Or when a rider gets a bad injury? Is there not any doubt then? Both of these things have happened to all riders at some point, casting even just a little bit of doubt in their minds atleast. And yet we still have champions in sport. Stupid argument you made there tbh.



And isn't that Yamaha bike one that Rossi helped develop, making it so good through the bends? We know this is still the case because they struggle with top end, a necessary sacrifice as there is more opportunity to overtake through corners.



What you think just because they didn't tell you that was issue, it definitely could not have been that, come on. Funny how he was flying at the start of the race and then the lap times started to get slower and slower. Also how come Pedrosa didn't drop off the pace? or any of the gresini bikes for that matter?



Yeah the last part about the other riders was really just to prove that I'm not like a just-rossi fan and i actually follow the sport a lot. so ill give you that point x.

BarryMachine said:

Stoner was not a motocross rider.



The skills do not come from motocross

Rossi now knows that and is at least having a go at learning what Stoner knows. Though very unsuccessfully ( see all the videos he is posting from the "motoranch".

Specifically see Rossi's attempt and reaction to a ride on a speedway bike.

He is totally devoid of any such skills ...... Stoner was a multiple champion at such skills at a very young age



Motocross

Get real.



You have absolutely no idea ........ a perfect fan for Rossi

Minute 7:20 on

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No brakes! he is un-nerved. He even covers the front brake on his own bike!!

I don't speak italian but I believe he was a bit put out by his ride roll on a speedway machine ........ anybody care to translate his reaction? My feeling is he is calling them nuts???

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Whatever man, your just splitting hairs because you know I grilled you, Ive watched a couple of those clips of Rossi before, he was alright as I recall.

Still can't believe you think Stoner is the only one who can ride like that, it's not a bad riding style (clearly with the 2 World titles) but others could/can do it. And if anyone could I'm sure Rossi could. Its not a clever style that is all. It does wear your tyres thin, despite what that ..... above thinks. I mean how can it not when your sliding the arse end of the bike around corners? I also think stoners decline in the race was perhaps down to his reluctance to do a full race length test session but mostly due to his lack of regard for his tyres. Lorenzo on the other hand (as much as i may not like him ("I will be arrest"lol#SicRIP)) I think he is a very efficient rider and looks after his tyres.



An yeah bein a Rossi fan, that means I can't know anything about Moto GP, says the man sporting the "your ambition outweighs your talent" quote on his name. Stupidest comment in the history of sport, utterly ridiculous and I bet even he regrets saying that to the 7 TIME Moto GP world champion.



#DENCH

3 or 4 more results like this and either Rossi will pull the plug or Ducati will put Barbera on the factory bike.

2012 will be short for Ducati/Rossi if these result continue.



As for Rossi/Yamaha 2013......who here thinks Lorenzo will allow that? Yes he has that much pull at Yamaha.



I agree with those that have said we saw the end of Valentino Rossi the motorcycle racer at Sepang 2011.

Mental Anarchist said:

Yes but Ezpeleta has veto power over both Honda and Yamaha and we know where his vote goes.



I also think both riders would have no trouble with Rossi being on their brand. It would help them to complete the demolition of his legacy.

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Your saying he could force Honda or Yamaha to supply Rossi with a bike against their will.

Hoppers13 said:

Still can't believe you think Stoner is the only one who can ride like that,

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I don't think Stoner is the only one with those skills ......... its just clear that Rossi does not ( did you not watch those videos!!?? ) . Melandri does not, matter of fact about the only one in GP who possibly does is Hayden ( I have seen him have a go at a speedway machine and he was "getting it" )

And thats where the difference lies, hence the old saying " your ambition outweighs your talent" was both highly apt and hilarious at the time (mainly cos many know Rossi does not "get it" and Stoner had the "wherewithall" to put it so succinctly), still is, only its a tad sad too now for Rossi. As was reported at the time it was perhaps the 2nd best sporting jibe of all time ......... Mohamed Ali was king here ....