Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

For Rossi to start his own satellite team in 2013 it would mean he has to take a bike off Tech3, Gresini or LCR as the 2 + 2 rule means there are only 4 of each prototype. I serious doubt he will be able to take a Yamaha of Tech3 and Gresini and LCR seem to be pretty ensconced with Honda.



Once again it would take intervention from Ezpeleta to make it happen.

Mental Anarchist said:

For Rossi to start his own satellite team in 2013 it would mean he has to take a bike off Tech3, Gresini or LCR as the 2 + 2 rule means there are only 4 of each prototype. I serious doubt he will be able to take a Yamaha of Tech3 and Gresini and LCR seem to be pretty ensconced with Honda.



Once again it would take intervention from Ezpeleta to make it happen.

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If that is the case i hope Ezpeleta intervenes. Far too many people are quick to say 'good riddance' to Vale despite all he's done for the sport. I don't think the sport will die without him, far from it...he is however a good character to have and if he did get a competitive bike it would add another dimension to the championship, which makes it more entertaining for us, the fans.

One race done and because Rossi did crap people are talking about him retiring? Didn't know we are still in silly season. First race of the F1 season Ferrari qualified and finished awful in the race...2nd race, Alonso won it. It's early.

Edwards said:

One race done and because Rossi did crap people are talking about him retiring? Didn't know we are still in silly season. First race of the F1 season Ferrari qualified and finished awful in the race...2nd race, Alonso won it. It's early.

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I hear ye Edwards, i think its more a question of Vale's motivation though....he's not used to fighting for 8th, it cant be easy for him....

spooky said:

I hear ye Edwards, i think its more a question of Vale's motivation though....he's not used to fighting for 8th, it cant be easy for him....

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Yeah that is true...however the bike still isnt capable of winning races just yet I don't think but when it is he'll find something deep down to go for the win again i'm pretty sure of this. I don't think he's lost the skills...yes lost motivation for sure but perhaps that will come when the bikes develops even further. If it never gets better than Rossi may decide not to push and get hurt when he knows full well he cant win a championship on it.

Edwards said:

Yeah that is true...however the bike still isnt capable of winning races just yet I don't think but when it is he'll find something deep down to go for the win again i'm pretty sure of this. I don't think he's lost the skills...yes lost motivation for sure but perhaps that will come when the bikes develops even further. If it never gets better than Rossi may decide not to push and get hurt when he knows full well he cant win a championship on it.

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The question is, will Ducati ever make a bike capable of winning in Rossi's hands? His patience has clearly worn pretty thin, he's not getting any younger and you have to wonder how Ducati themselves feel, they've come up with all sorts of supposed solutions and none of them have worked. Sure, the bike is better than it was but its 30secs off a win, a pretty huge amount. Rossi could def still win races, on the right bike...the Ducati clearly isnt it though.

Mental Anarchist said:

For Rossi to start his own satellite team in 2013 it would mean he has to take a bike off Tech3, Gresini or LCR as the 2 + 2 rule means there are only 4 of each prototype. I serious doubt he will be able to take a Yamaha of Tech3 and Gresini and LCR seem to be pretty ensconced with Honda.



Once again it would take intervention from Ezpeleta to make it happen.

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Wft? I haven't heard this one, but does that mean if he has all the money in the world, he couldn't get a bike off a manufacturer without them dropping one from a satellite team? What the .... good is that if they are all about increasing grid sizes? Or does it have to do with the amount of work the factory would have to do to make more parts for an extra bike?

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Hoppers13 said:

It's exactly the same situation. Stoner has no right and made a fool of himself, despite what people on here think, the majority of GP fans I'm certain think the same. Just go on the YouTube clip an see comments.



And finally if Rossi hadn't have gone and offered his apology, then you would have slated him and called him unsportsmanlike and not a gent. So yes it was the gentleman thing to do, what more did you want from him?

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Oh ........!



Rossi went to Stoner's garage so he could be SEEN apologizing on TeeVee. He waited until the cameras were in position, then then jumped into politician mode to deliver his insincere prepared speech.



As for the 'Gentleman' nonsense, it is ROSSI himself who has the long standing 'habit' of slanging, demonizing and belittling his opponents. Max, Sete, Casey and Jorge have all been accused of a wide variety of evils (which the Bopper zombies mindlessly parrot as God's Truth.) He even got after Dovi this winter when it became clear that he had little hope of fighting with the front runners. After all the slime-ball digs Rossi has made over the years, to see Stoner turn the tables in such a convincing manner was great fun.

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Yes! And just as easily it can come back under the right circumstances.

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Absolutely Pete, and generally to regain the drive or desire is often far easier as it can sometimes take a simple moment in time, be that doing a pass or lap that brings the 'old' confidence back.



As I alluded to somewhere, I do hope that Rossi having a drive/race in the Ferrari for the endurance race (another topic altogther mind you - mid season risky adventures) gives him competitive enjoyment again. Whether it flows back to teh racing on two wheels or not who knows, but if it helps him determine his short and long term future, then brilliant I say.







Gaz

To address the thread subject, after seeing Rossi's post-Qatar bitchfest, I suspect that the Ducati - Rossi marriage won't survive the year.

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So Barry machine, what your saying is that only the riders that you see riding well in speedway are the only riders that possess the skills to do well in it, and the only riders that can ride like stoner? Bollocks.

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Those are your words.



I was quite clear in what I have said, if you chose to interpret them to favour your petty whingings ......... good luck to you .

J4rn0 said:

Not the factory team (that's obvious). But Rossi with some good sponsor (some rumors say Coca Cola) could start his own satellite team in 2013. His recent and unexpected lashing out at Ducati could be a sign something is actually under way.

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Or he is about to go car racing.

Geonerd said:

to see Stoner turn the tables in such a convincing manner was great fun.

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It was at that ......... the bit that reallygot me was that Stoner actually patted the supposedly "sore" arm as well

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And "your ambition outweighs your talent" isn't one of the best comments in sport history as you say, it's actually very much the opposite. It's like the manager of Chelsea saying it to Alex ferguson (man united). Hope you get the reference, I know not all of you like football or "soccer". An I'm a Liverpool fan so that's saying something. The fact is stoner cannot say somthing like that to someone as successful as Rossi until he has atleast equalled rossi's success. Which I don't think will ever happen, even now. Rossi went to apologise for a mistake like a gentlemen (even god makes errors of judgement) an stoner completely dismissed him for having balls and trying to make a pass and actually making races interesting.

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I agree with your basic position ie the obvious truth that valentino rossi is unquestionably very great and that whatever happens at ducati and whoever is at fault with his ducati situation this in no way negates his other achievements; if he retires tomorrow the ducati interlude will be a minor footnote ascribed to an error of judgement at the end of his career.



Your posts otherwise imo exemplify what has annoyed fans of other riders and provoked the current over-reaction, excessive though it may be. Stoner's quip was not a masterpiece of wit nor probably even original; there is actually some suggestion he was turning back a comment made to him by valentino years before. It was however imo both apposite and accurate in relation to the particular incident concerned, to which stoner was later at pains to say he restricted the comment.



I personally like a little needle between the riders. Valentino can and has said what he likes about competitors over the years, and I see no reason why stoner isn't allowed to reply in kind. As they say, if you can walk the walk you can talk the talk, and while stoner has not walked the walk to the extent rossi has, he has done so more than most even over the history of the sport, including providing post hoc justification if any was required by winning the championship in the year of the remark.



I am not sure about the soccer analogy, particularly since imo all soccer players are effete in comparison with all bike racers. I guess both Manchester United and valentino do have a record of sustained excellence; some might argue they are also similar in having a significant proportion of glory hunter fans. But taking your analogy as far as I can without understanding or wanting to understand soccer, if Chelsea were contending closely with Arsenal for a championship and man united were not in contention for whatever reason, and man u won a game against them by a player taking a dive in the penalty box or handballing a goal, depriving chelsea of a vital 3 points, I don't believe that chelsea would meekly accept an apology just because it came from man u; rather to the contrary I would think.

There is an unanswered question about Ducati: Why neither Battaini nor Hayden nor Rossi have been using any of the tires allotted for extra testing, outside the official and mandatory testing days? Hmmm, really, nothing to test? Isn't this GP12 a brand new bike that is supposed to be developed? Strange that it isn't being tested as much as possible, then.

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There is an unanswered question about Ducati: Why neither Battaini nor Hayden nor Rossi have been using any of the tires allotted for extra testing, outside the official and mandatory testing days? Hmmm, really, nothing to test? Isn't this GP12 a brand new bike that is supposed to be developed? Strange that it isn't being tested as much as possible, then.

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Didn't they say they didn't have any new parts on the way until the 3rd-4th race of the season. Maybe it's something huge like a new engine coming, I wish, but they might as well not waste the tires. It's possible they've known for some time that the gp12 sucks?

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There is an unanswered question about Ducati: Why neither Battaini nor Hayden nor Rossi have been using any of the tires allotted for extra testing, outside the official and mandatory testing days? Hmmm, really, nothing to test? Isn't this GP12 a brand new bike that is supposed to be developed? Strange that it isn't being tested as much as possible, then.

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Too cold at Mugello?



http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-he-said-red-said//P3/



"Dorna know about all this and have accepted that Valentino will not finish the season, but they trust that he will return next year with a winning project and it is good for them that it is not with Ducati, since they (Ducati) are refusing to accept the RPM limit, something that is going to be applied next season, placing in doubt the future of the Borgo Panigale manufacturer in MotoGP."

The 90 degree engine has got to go for that bike to be balanced and get more weight onto the front, for all the doubters

Rossi

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Age penalises you, it's true, but a difficult year doesn't make you forget how to stay with the leading pack. In my opinion, I still know how to do it," Rossi told [/font]Motosprint.

"It's very clear who makes our bike: [Filippo] Preziosi is the boss and the thinking brain behind everything. It's up to him to help us.



"Our problems are very clear: what doesn't work at the rear, under acceleration, in my opinion comes from the front, and the cause is understeering.



"At turn-entry, because of something we don't know, the front doesn't allow you to tighten the turn. This understeering is the biggest problem.

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The incredible thing is that this characteristic is similar to all the Ducatis I've ridden since 2010: whether it's the version with no chassis, or the one with the carbon-fibre front, of the one with the aluminium front, or the one with the full chassis... it doesn't ever change, that's incredible.[/font]

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If he is out the door at Ducati than he did them a favor for exposing Prezi and that unbalanced bike that has killed gp careers, and Barry I can't help myself, you were wrong about the engine vibrations, the bikes are simply not balanced and they were all doing the same thing.

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"If we work well we are able to fight for fifth or sixth place. I'm not excited by that: if you must fight for fifth place then little by little you lose enthusiasm.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"By racing this way, you lose the joy of riding. Besides the ego, when you know you get on the track and you will regularly get beaten, it gets hard. And if you don't enjoy yourself on the track, everything else gets even heavier.[/font]

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birdman said:

Too cold at Mugello?



http://moto-racing.s...d-red-said//P3/



"Dorna know about all this and have accepted that Valentino will not finish the season, but they trust that he will return next year with a winning project and it is good for them that it is not with Ducati, since they (Ducati) are refusing to accept the RPM limit, something that is going to be applied next season, placing in doubt the future of the Borgo Panigale manufacturer in MotoGP."

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This is a pretty significant article, if its true ???

Seems DORNA are more worried about keeping Rossi than keeping Ducati !!!