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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TP70 @ Jul 27 2007, 08:09 PM) [snapback]81695[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Maybe I over reacted but the guy just give me the ...... I have never said anything before I have always tried to ignore it but he just continues to dribble and scream his .... on here after many many people have asked, suggested, told him to pull his head in. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian.
I am not a violent person but if I was faced with a ...... like this continuously in my face then yes I would knock him out. Especially if I couldn't avoid him. As this seems to be the only place that you can get a descent discussion about MotoGP with people who know what they are talking about I can not avoid him.
As far as being 10 foot tall and bullet proof - no I am 6'6" 98kg and can generally stick with most people on the local twisties.
What a ridicules post!!! TP70 everyone has an opinion and ur’s is just one...u know some of us really do know what were taking about and also post things in jest!!! and/or are just being sarcastic or try to lighten things up...and are NOT LIKE U TP70...A SOUR PUSSS!!!...
And by you saying this;... “And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian”...what I have to say to that TP70 is this:....Easy Easy...TP...Don’t get your knickers in a knot!!!...Ease Off...and don’t get ur blood pressure to a dangerous level!!!...I think ur the embarrassment in this conversation a you’re the type of whatever who just likes to go with the flow mate!!!...wake up and be more ACTIVE!!! DO U KNOW WHAT ACTIVE IS???...”It’s a conducive matter that flows!!!”...and as far as that is concerned TP70 “UR D_E_A_D!!!”
CHEER UP TP70!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Jul 27 2007, 08:25 PM) [snapback]81697[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
CSCVAW, if nothing else you are consistent in your posts not making any sense! Now, where can I get that acid you're taking?
NO ITS CALLED "LSD" NOW UR TAKING MY GENERATION
....and btw...Son...come to think of it ur not making any sense too...Cheers!!!
Maybe I over reacted but the guy just give me the ...... I have never said anything before I have always tried to ignore it but he just continues to dribble and scream his .... on here after many many people have asked, suggested, told him to pull his head in. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian.
I am not a violent person but if I was faced with a ...... like this continuously in my face then yes I would knock him out. Especially if I couldn't avoid him. As this seems to be the only place that you can get a descent discussion about MotoGP with people who know what they are talking about I can not avoid him.
As far as being 10 foot tall and bullet proof - no I am 6'6" 98kg and can generally stick with most people on the local twisties.
What a ridicules post!!! TP70 everyone has an opinion and ur’s is just one...u know some of us really do know what were taking about and also post things in jest!!! and/or are just being sarcastic or try to lighten things up...and are NOT LIKE U TP70...A SOUR PUSSS!!!...
And by you saying this;... “And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian”...what I have to say to that TP70 is this:....Easy Easy...TP...Don’t get your knickers in a knot!!!...Ease Off...and don’t get ur blood pressure to a dangerous level!!!...I think ur the embarrassment in this conversation a you’re the type of whatever who just likes to go with the flow mate!!!...wake up and be more ACTIVE!!! DO U KNOW WHAT ACTIVE IS???...”It’s a conducive matter that flows!!!”...and as far as that is concerned TP70 “UR D_E_A_D!!!”
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Jul 27 2007, 08:25 PM) [snapback]81697[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
CSCVAW, if nothing else you are consistent in your posts not making any sense! Now, where can I get that acid you're taking?
NO ITS CALLED "LSD" NOW UR TAKING MY GENERATION
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Jul 27 2007, 08:40 PM) [snapback]81701[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What a ridicules post!!! TP70 everyone has an opinion and ur’s is just one...u know some of us really do know what were taking about and also post things in jest!!! and/or are just being sarcastic or try to lighten things up...and are NOT LIKE U TP70...A SOUR PUSSS!!!...
And by you saying this;... “And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian”...what I have to say to that TP70 is this:....Easy Easy...TP...Don’t get your knickers in a knot!!!...Ease Off...and don’t get ur blood pressure to a dangerous level!!!...I think ur the embarrassment in this conversation a you’re the type of whatever who just likes to go with the flow mate!!!...wake up and be more ACTIVE!!! DO U KNOW WHAT ACTIVE IS???...”It’s a conducive matter that flows!!!”...and as far as that is concerned TP70 “UR D_E_A_D!!!”
CHEER UP TP70!!!
Fk your a cunny funt!
What a ridicules post!!! TP70 everyone has an opinion and ur’s is just one...u know some of us really do know what were taking about and also post things in jest!!! and/or are just being sarcastic or try to lighten things up...and are NOT LIKE U TP70...A SOUR PUSSS!!!...
And by you saying this;... “And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian”...what I have to say to that TP70 is this:....Easy Easy...TP...Don’t get your knickers in a knot!!!...Ease Off...and don’t get ur blood pressure to a dangerous level!!!...I think ur the embarrassment in this conversation a you’re the type of whatever who just likes to go with the flow mate!!!...wake up and be more ACTIVE!!! DO U KNOW WHAT ACTIVE IS???...”It’s a conducive matter that flows!!!”...and as far as that is concerned TP70 “UR D_E_A_D!!!”
Fk your a cunny funt!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Jul 27 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]81701[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What a ridicules post!!! TP70 everyone has an opinion and ur’s is just one...u know some of us really do know what were taking about and also post things in jest!!! and/or are just being sarcastic or try to lighten things up...and are NOT LIKE U TP70...A SOUR PUSSS!!!...
And by you saying this;... “And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian”...what I have to say to that TP70 is this:....Easy Easy...TP...Don’t get your knickers in a knot!!!...Ease Off...and don’t get ur blood pressure to a dangerous level!!!...I think ur the embarrassment in this conversation a you’re the type of whatever who just likes to go with the flow mate!!!...wake up and be more ACTIVE!!! DO U KNOW WHAT ACTIVE IS???...”It’s a conducive matter that flows!!!”...and as far as that is concerned TP70 “UR D_E_A_D!!!”
CHEER UP TP70!!!
NO ITS CALLED "LSD" NOW UR TAKING MY GENERATION
....and btw...Son...come to think of it ur not making any sense too...Cheers!!!
After several readings I have no idea what any of that means. Guess you told me!
As far as being funny...I guess if you mean it is funny in a laughing at him way rather than laughing with him. I can see the funny in that.
What a ridicules post!!! TP70 everyone has an opinion and ur’s is just one...u know some of us really do know what were taking about and also post things in jest!!! and/or are just being sarcastic or try to lighten things up...and are NOT LIKE U TP70...A SOUR PUSSS!!!...
And by you saying this;... “And the thing that pisses me off the most is that he is Australian”...what I have to say to that TP70 is this:....Easy Easy...TP...Don’t get your knickers in a knot!!!...Ease Off...and don’t get ur blood pressure to a dangerous level!!!...I think ur the embarrassment in this conversation a you’re the type of whatever who just likes to go with the flow mate!!!...wake up and be more ACTIVE!!! DO U KNOW WHAT ACTIVE IS???...”It’s a conducive matter that flows!!!”...and as far as that is concerned TP70 “UR D_E_A_D!!!”
NO ITS CALLED "LSD" NOW UR TAKING MY GENERATION
After several readings I have no idea what any of that means. Guess you told me!
As far as being funny...I guess if you mean it is funny in a laughing at him way rather than laughing with him. I can see the funny in that.
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Everyone, I want to see an end to all the snapping at each other.
TP70, I never want to see comments like yours on this forum. You do not threaten to assault other members under any circumstances, consider this your official warning.
CSCVAW, you've been told before to calm down and not react. If I were you I'd take careful note of that advice, our patience is running out.
Jazkat, don't react to posts that offend you, it doesn't do you any favours. That said, welcome to the forum.
Everyone else, calm down. I'll keep this thread open for now, but if this kind of behaviour goes on I'll just lock it.
TP70, I never want to see comments like yours on this forum. You do not threaten to assault other members under any circumstances, consider this your official warning.
CSCVAW, you've been told before to calm down and not react. If I were you I'd take careful note of that advice, our patience is running out.
Jazkat, don't react to posts that offend you, it doesn't do you any favours. That said, welcome to the forum.
Everyone else, calm down. I'll keep this thread open for now, but if this kind of behaviour goes on I'll just lock it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Jul 27 2007, 05:26 PM) [snapback]81739[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Everyone, I want to see an end to all the snapping at each other.
TP70, I never want to see comments like yours on this forum. You do not threaten to assault other members under any circumstances, consider this your official warning.
CSCVAW, you've been told before to calm down and not react. If I were you I'd take careful note of that advice, our patience is running out.
Jazkat, don't react to posts that offend you, it doesn't do you any favours. That said, welcome to the forum.
Everyone else, calm down. I'll keep this thread open for now, but if this kind of behaviour goes on I'll just lock it.
Hi Everyone,
Long time MotoGP fan and site lurker
Im totally sick of tyres because in this gladiatorial sport where we (well i do anyway) want to find out who is the best, tyres are seriously distorting the result and making comparisons impossible.
Bridgestone have done an amazing job this season: they have clearly made a major breakthrough. Their tyres seem to operate within a much broader temp range and their rain tyre has shown that they seem to have discovered the impossible: a hard compound that grips as well as something much softer (ie fantastic race pace at donnington when the track was wet, tyres that didn't drop off in performance, unlike the Michelin once the track dried).
These rabid Stoner fans should be pissed off (but theyre not) because at the moment we still dont know how good he really is. The tyres (and the Duc's significant performance advantage) are creating such an unequal playing field that we just dont know how good he is. All we do know is that Stoner has not yet won a championship unlike Pedrosa for instance.If I was a Stoner fan I would want to be able to crow that he was winning (and beating Rossi and Pedrobot) cos of his talent, not because of patent inequalities. No fan can say that at the moment
Michelin is on the ropes in more than one sense. Now that Suzuki and Kawasaki have finally made a decent bike (both making better power than the Yam as a consequence of pneumatic valves and forward running cranks) and of course Ducati have produced a master-piece there are 8 potential race winning bikes (including Gresini Honda) vs the Michelin 4. Of the Michelin 4 Edwards is spending every race battling to the back of the grid, leaving only 3. Bridgestones ae flooding the grid, getting more feedback and are now the tyres to be on. I read somewhere that Burgess would like to try Bridgestones and Rossi after Laguna dodged the question (see Motogp soup interview transcript) rather than saying "yes, we stay with the Michelin.." Unless Michelin really turn things around i wouldn't be suprised if both Fiat Yamaha and HRC defect. Both have riders in Rossi and Pedrosa who will refuse to continue to race and lose next season.
I want to see a one tyre championship as that would then leave just one other variable (other than the rider): the machine. That is more than enough and would mean that we wouldn't get this ridiculous see-saw of results that we have had this season
Everyone, I want to see an end to all the snapping at each other.
TP70, I never want to see comments like yours on this forum. You do not threaten to assault other members under any circumstances, consider this your official warning.
CSCVAW, you've been told before to calm down and not react. If I were you I'd take careful note of that advice, our patience is running out.
Jazkat, don't react to posts that offend you, it doesn't do you any favours. That said, welcome to the forum.
Everyone else, calm down. I'll keep this thread open for now, but if this kind of behaviour goes on I'll just lock it.
Hi Everyone,
Long time MotoGP fan and site lurker
Im totally sick of tyres because in this gladiatorial sport where we (well i do anyway) want to find out who is the best, tyres are seriously distorting the result and making comparisons impossible.
Bridgestone have done an amazing job this season: they have clearly made a major breakthrough. Their tyres seem to operate within a much broader temp range and their rain tyre has shown that they seem to have discovered the impossible: a hard compound that grips as well as something much softer (ie fantastic race pace at donnington when the track was wet, tyres that didn't drop off in performance, unlike the Michelin once the track dried).
These rabid Stoner fans should be pissed off (but theyre not) because at the moment we still dont know how good he really is. The tyres (and the Duc's significant performance advantage) are creating such an unequal playing field that we just dont know how good he is. All we do know is that Stoner has not yet won a championship unlike Pedrosa for instance.If I was a Stoner fan I would want to be able to crow that he was winning (and beating Rossi and Pedrobot) cos of his talent, not because of patent inequalities. No fan can say that at the moment
Michelin is on the ropes in more than one sense. Now that Suzuki and Kawasaki have finally made a decent bike (both making better power than the Yam as a consequence of pneumatic valves and forward running cranks) and of course Ducati have produced a master-piece there are 8 potential race winning bikes (including Gresini Honda) vs the Michelin 4. Of the Michelin 4 Edwards is spending every race battling to the back of the grid, leaving only 3. Bridgestones ae flooding the grid, getting more feedback and are now the tyres to be on. I read somewhere that Burgess would like to try Bridgestones and Rossi after Laguna dodged the question (see Motogp soup interview transcript) rather than saying "yes, we stay with the Michelin.." Unless Michelin really turn things around i wouldn't be suprised if both Fiat Yamaha and HRC defect. Both have riders in Rossi and Pedrosa who will refuse to continue to race and lose next season.
I want to see a one tyre championship as that would then leave just one other variable (other than the rider): the machine. That is more than enough and would mean that we wouldn't get this ridiculous see-saw of results that we have had this season
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rc30 @ Jul 27 2007, 08:40 PM) [snapback]81759[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
These rabid Stoner fans should be pissed off (but theyre not) because at the moment we still dont know how good he really is. The tyres (and the Duc's significant performance advantage) are creating such an unequal playing field that we just dont know how good he is. All we do know is that Stoner has not yet won a championship unlike Pedrosa for instance.If I was a Stoner fan I would want to be able to crow that he was winning (and beating Rossi and Pedrobot) cos of his talent, not because of patent inequalities. No fan can say that at the moment
I'm a pedrosa fan, and i'd say i even prefer Rossi to Casey but i have to disagree with this point. There are other riders with Ducatis and other riders with Bridgestones and even other riders with both of these things, yet none of them are performing anywhere near as well as Casey. Furthermore the only two realistic challanger to Stoenr this season have been Dani and Rossi, and it is clear to me that Casey has ridden better than both of them.
These rabid Stoner fans should be pissed off (but theyre not) because at the moment we still dont know how good he really is. The tyres (and the Duc's significant performance advantage) are creating such an unequal playing field that we just dont know how good he is. All we do know is that Stoner has not yet won a championship unlike Pedrosa for instance.If I was a Stoner fan I would want to be able to crow that he was winning (and beating Rossi and Pedrobot) cos of his talent, not because of patent inequalities. No fan can say that at the moment
I'm a pedrosa fan, and i'd say i even prefer Rossi to Casey but i have to disagree with this point. There are other riders with Ducatis and other riders with Bridgestones and even other riders with both of these things, yet none of them are performing anywhere near as well as Casey. Furthermore the only two realistic challanger to Stoenr this season have been Dani and Rossi, and it is clear to me that Casey has ridden better than both of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 27 2007, 08:55 PM) [snapback]81761[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm a pedrosa fan, and i'd say i even prefer Rossi to Casey but i have to disagree with this point. There are other riders with Ducatis and other riders with Bridgestones and even other riders with both of these things, yet none of them are performing anywhere near as well as Casey. Furthermore the only two realistic challanger to Stoenr this season have been Dani and Rossi, and it is clear to me that Casey has ridden better than both of them.
I don't think at any time Stoner has had to ride on the ragged edge just to stay with someone. We've seen Rossi make mistakes simply because he has had to override his bike just to keep up. I've been impressed with Stoner this year - he has withstood the pressure well and when things haven't gone well (Mugello) he hasn't panicked - but he is on the best bike with the best tyres, all other things being equal he should be winning the title. If we put Rossi on the Ducati and Stoner on the Yamaha, would Stoner still win? I think not.
I don't think Motogp should go for single tyre supplier. These things go in cycles and we have to give Michelin a chance to adjust to the new rules.
Steve
I'm a pedrosa fan, and i'd say i even prefer Rossi to Casey but i have to disagree with this point. There are other riders with Ducatis and other riders with Bridgestones and even other riders with both of these things, yet none of them are performing anywhere near as well as Casey. Furthermore the only two realistic challanger to Stoenr this season have been Dani and Rossi, and it is clear to me that Casey has ridden better than both of them.
I don't think at any time Stoner has had to ride on the ragged edge just to stay with someone. We've seen Rossi make mistakes simply because he has had to override his bike just to keep up. I've been impressed with Stoner this year - he has withstood the pressure well and when things haven't gone well (Mugello) he hasn't panicked - but he is on the best bike with the best tyres, all other things being equal he should be winning the title. If we put Rossi on the Ducati and Stoner on the Yamaha, would Stoner still win? I think not.
I don't think Motogp should go for single tyre supplier. These things go in cycles and we have to give Michelin a chance to adjust to the new rules.
Steve
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Valerian @ Jul 27 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]81763[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't think at any time Stoner has had to ride on the ragged edge just to stay with someone. We've seen Rossi make mistakes simply because he has had to override his bike just to keep up. I've been impressed with Stoner this year - he has withstood the pressure well and when things haven't gone well (Mugello) he hasn't panicked - but he is on the best bike with the best tyres, all other things being equal he should be winning the title. If we put Rossi on the Ducati and Stoner on the Yamaha, would Stoner still win? I think not.
The thing is, Stoner hasn't won every single race so there has obviously been times when he hasn't had the easy ride people pretend he has (without mentioning the wins he has fought hard for). So in all of those situations he has made no mistakes and taken strong and consistent points every time. Rossi has made mistakes too many times, had he not made them he may still be second in the champiobship but he would be closer. Stoner has ridden better and of that i have no doubt.
also i don't think its fair to critisize a rider for having a successful season when he has the best package beneath him. World championships are hard things to get and it takes a big effort to win one. It is very rare for a rider to be good enough to win the world title when his package is not the best (Lawson 89 and Rossi 04 are all i can think of recently).
I don't think at any time Stoner has had to ride on the ragged edge just to stay with someone. We've seen Rossi make mistakes simply because he has had to override his bike just to keep up. I've been impressed with Stoner this year - he has withstood the pressure well and when things haven't gone well (Mugello) he hasn't panicked - but he is on the best bike with the best tyres, all other things being equal he should be winning the title. If we put Rossi on the Ducati and Stoner on the Yamaha, would Stoner still win? I think not.
The thing is, Stoner hasn't won every single race so there has obviously been times when he hasn't had the easy ride people pretend he has (without mentioning the wins he has fought hard for). So in all of those situations he has made no mistakes and taken strong and consistent points every time. Rossi has made mistakes too many times, had he not made them he may still be second in the champiobship but he would be closer. Stoner has ridden better and of that i have no doubt.
also i don't think its fair to critisize a rider for having a successful season when he has the best package beneath him. World championships are hard things to get and it takes a big effort to win one. It is very rare for a rider to be good enough to win the world title when his package is not the best (Lawson 89 and Rossi 04 are all i can think of recently).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 27 2007, 08:55 PM) [snapback]81761[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm a pedrosa fan, and i'd say i even prefer Rossi to Casey but i have to disagree with this point. There are other riders with Ducatis and other riders with Bridgestones and even other riders with both of these things, yet none of them are performing anywhere near as well as Casey. Furthermore the only two realistic challanger to Stoenr this season have been Dani and Rossi, and it is clear to me that Casey has ridden better than both of them.
I agree that Stoner is doing a superb job but my point is- we dont know how good a job he's doing because of the Ducati/Bridgestone combo. There is only one comparative bar at the moment and thats poor old Loris who is totally out of sorts with the 800.
The Pramac team have been given some factory support but if for a minute you think they are riding what Casey is riding your'e mad. Ducati dont want Pramac circulating at the back but they certainly dont want them in the top 3 either.
Having said that Casey is having an awesome season and Im very very impressed (although he is a bloody whinger)
I'm a pedrosa fan, and i'd say i even prefer Rossi to Casey but i have to disagree with this point. There are other riders with Ducatis and other riders with Bridgestones and even other riders with both of these things, yet none of them are performing anywhere near as well as Casey. Furthermore the only two realistic challanger to Stoenr this season have been Dani and Rossi, and it is clear to me that Casey has ridden better than both of them.
I agree that Stoner is doing a superb job but my point is- we dont know how good a job he's doing because of the Ducati/Bridgestone combo. There is only one comparative bar at the moment and thats poor old Loris who is totally out of sorts with the 800.
The Pramac team have been given some factory support but if for a minute you think they are riding what Casey is riding your'e mad. Ducati dont want Pramac circulating at the back but they certainly dont want them in the top 3 either.
Having said that Casey is having an awesome season and Im very very impressed (although he is a bloody whinger)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rc30 @ Jul 27 2007, 09:35 PM) [snapback]81767[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I agree that Stoner is doing a superb job but my point is- we dont know how good a job he's doing because of the Ducati/Bridgestone combo.
I think the championship points table is a good measure of how good a job he is doing this year, but perhaps the point your trying to make is that we don't know how good it would seem if others could do better. To that i would say that you can speculate about wasted talent every season, be it a crash with injury, a mechanical failiure or a tyre disadvantage but the bottom line is that Stoner is getting the job done 44 points better than the nearest man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rc30 @ Jul 27 2007, 09:35 PM) [snapback]81767[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
(although he is a bloody whinger)
no doubt
I agree that Stoner is doing a superb job but my point is- we dont know how good a job he's doing because of the Ducati/Bridgestone combo.
I think the championship points table is a good measure of how good a job he is doing this year, but perhaps the point your trying to make is that we don't know how good it would seem if others could do better. To that i would say that you can speculate about wasted talent every season, be it a crash with injury, a mechanical failiure or a tyre disadvantage but the bottom line is that Stoner is getting the job done 44 points better than the nearest man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rc30 @ Jul 27 2007, 09:35 PM) [snapback]81767[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
(although he is a bloody whinger)
no doubt
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 27 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]81764[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The thing is, Stoner hasn't won every single race so there has obviously been times when he hasn't had the easy ride people pretend he has (without mentioning the wins he has fought hard for). So in all of those situations he has made no mistakes and taken strong and consistent points every time. Rossi has made mistakes too many times, had he not made them he may still be second in the champiobship but he would be closer. Stoner has ridden better and of that i have no doubt.
also i don't think its fair to critisize a rider for having a successful season when he has the best package beneath him. World championships are hard things to get and it takes a big effort to win one. It is very rare for a rider to be good enough to win the world title when his package is not the best (Lawson 89 and Rossi 04 are all i can think of recently).
I'm not criticising Stoner. He's doing what he supposed to do and I agree totally that to winning a World Championship is never easy but it helps if you have the best machinery. Maybe Nicky should get a bit more appreciation for his World Championship - he's not the best rider, wasn't on the best bike but still became the Champ.
I expect the other teams to close the gap on the Ducati in the next couple of years and it will be interesting to see how Casey does. I think he will do just fine and it will be cool to watch.
The thing is, Stoner hasn't won every single race so there has obviously been times when he hasn't had the easy ride people pretend he has (without mentioning the wins he has fought hard for). So in all of those situations he has made no mistakes and taken strong and consistent points every time. Rossi has made mistakes too many times, had he not made them he may still be second in the champiobship but he would be closer. Stoner has ridden better and of that i have no doubt.
also i don't think its fair to critisize a rider for having a successful season when he has the best package beneath him. World championships are hard things to get and it takes a big effort to win one. It is very rare for a rider to be good enough to win the world title when his package is not the best (Lawson 89 and Rossi 04 are all i can think of recently).
I'm not criticising Stoner. He's doing what he supposed to do and I agree totally that to winning a World Championship is never easy but it helps if you have the best machinery. Maybe Nicky should get a bit more appreciation for his World Championship - he's not the best rider, wasn't on the best bike but still became the Champ.
I expect the other teams to close the gap on the Ducati in the next couple of years and it will be interesting to see how Casey does. I think he will do just fine and it will be cool to watch.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Valerian @ Jul 27 2007, 10:08 PM) [snapback]81769[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Maybe Nicky should get a bit more appreciation for his World Championship - he's not the best rider, wasn't on the best bike but still became the Champ.
Now you are starting! I would argue that he probably had the best bike (except maybe the Ducati), but he was definitely the best rider.
Maybe Nicky should get a bit more appreciation for his World Championship - he's not the best rider, wasn't on the best bike but still became the Champ.
Now you are starting! I would argue that he probably had the best bike (except maybe the Ducati), but he was definitely the best rider.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 27 2007, 09:44 PM) [snapback]81768[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think the championship points table is a good measure of how good a job he is doing this year, but perhaps the point your trying to make is that we don't know how good it would seem if others could do better. To that i would say that you can speculate about wasted talent every season, be it a crash with injury, a mechanical failiure or a tyre disadvantage but the bottom line is that Stoner is getting the job done 44 points better than the nearest man.
no doubt
I agree Tom but also think that this season has been unique in a way detrimemental to the spectacle. Some people have been saying that the likes of Rossi should shut up as finally the boot is on the other foot. I disagree. In previous seasons MotoGP was a one tyre championship in the sense that Michelin was the only tyre- Bridgestone the very ugly bridesmaid. Tamada upset the order v occasionally (Rio 04) but ALL the top riders were on Michelin.
This season has been the first where Bridgestone have consistently won races. Their technological leap over Michelin has neutured the title hopes of Pedrosa and Rossi. I agree everyone can have bad luck (Rossi- the whole of a chattering 2006 and Turkey 07) but this consistent disparity is something else.
Of course Ducati deserve this championship as its been them that have been sticking it out with Bridgestone during the wilderness years. In a way not too disimilar to what Ferrari did they have built their bike around a tyre that has finally come good
I think the championship points table is a good measure of how good a job he is doing this year, but perhaps the point your trying to make is that we don't know how good it would seem if others could do better. To that i would say that you can speculate about wasted talent every season, be it a crash with injury, a mechanical failiure or a tyre disadvantage but the bottom line is that Stoner is getting the job done 44 points better than the nearest man.
no doubt
I agree Tom but also think that this season has been unique in a way detrimemental to the spectacle. Some people have been saying that the likes of Rossi should shut up as finally the boot is on the other foot. I disagree. In previous seasons MotoGP was a one tyre championship in the sense that Michelin was the only tyre- Bridgestone the very ugly bridesmaid. Tamada upset the order v occasionally (Rio 04) but ALL the top riders were on Michelin.
This season has been the first where Bridgestone have consistently won races. Their technological leap over Michelin has neutured the title hopes of Pedrosa and Rossi. I agree everyone can have bad luck (Rossi- the whole of a chattering 2006 and Turkey 07) but this consistent disparity is something else.
Of course Ducati deserve this championship as its been them that have been sticking it out with Bridgestone during the wilderness years. In a way not too disimilar to what Ferrari did they have built their bike around a tyre that has finally come good
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rc30 @ Jul 27 2007, 10:14 PM) [snapback]81771[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I agree Tom but also think that this season has been unique in a way detrimemental to the spectacle. Some people have been saying that the likes of Rossi should shut up as finally the boot is on the other foot. I disagree. In previous seasons MotoGP was a one tyre championship in the sense that Michelin was the only tyre- Bridgestone the very ugly bridesmaid. Tamada upset the order v occasionally (Rio 04) but ALL the top riders were on Michelin.
This season has been the first where Bridgestone have consistently won races. Their technological leap over Michelin has neutured the title hopes of Pedrosa and Rossi. I agree everyone can have bad luck (Rossi- the whole of a chattering 2006 and Turkey 07) but this consistent disparity is something else.
Of course Ducati deserve this championship as its been them that have been sticking it out with Bridgestone during the wilderness years. In a way not too disimilar to what Ferrari did they have built their bike around a tyre that has finally come good
My answer to that is that you need to remember that we are in the first year after a mojor rule change. If the rules keep changing then nothing will ever settle down to the competitiveness we saw in 2006. Think back to how dull and borring 2002 was, its the worst season since i have been watcing, but 2003 was far better, and i expect the 800 era to get better before it gets worse.
I agree Tom but also think that this season has been unique in a way detrimemental to the spectacle. Some people have been saying that the likes of Rossi should shut up as finally the boot is on the other foot. I disagree. In previous seasons MotoGP was a one tyre championship in the sense that Michelin was the only tyre- Bridgestone the very ugly bridesmaid. Tamada upset the order v occasionally (Rio 04) but ALL the top riders were on Michelin.
This season has been the first where Bridgestone have consistently won races. Their technological leap over Michelin has neutured the title hopes of Pedrosa and Rossi. I agree everyone can have bad luck (Rossi- the whole of a chattering 2006 and Turkey 07) but this consistent disparity is something else.
Of course Ducati deserve this championship as its been them that have been sticking it out with Bridgestone during the wilderness years. In a way not too disimilar to what Ferrari did they have built their bike around a tyre that has finally come good
My answer to that is that you need to remember that we are in the first year after a mojor rule change. If the rules keep changing then nothing will ever settle down to the competitiveness we saw in 2006. Think back to how dull and borring 2002 was, its the worst season since i have been watcing, but 2003 was far better, and i expect the 800 era to get better before it gets worse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 27 2007, 10:12 PM) [snapback]81770[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Now you are starting! I would argue that he probably had the best bike (except maybe the Ducati), but he was definitely the best rider.
Nicky is not the best rider in Motogp - never was, never will be. Great rider but not the best (then again they are all pretty good, aren't they?)
When the history of Motogp at the start of the 21st century is written, it will be all be about Valentino, the other riders will only be footnotes. Perhaps Casey can change that, then again maybe the next all-time great rider will be Lorenzo. Who knows? It won't be Nicky.
Now you are starting! I would argue that he probably had the best bike (except maybe the Ducati), but he was definitely the best rider.
Nicky is not the best rider in Motogp - never was, never will be. Great rider but not the best (then again they are all pretty good, aren't they?)
When the history of Motogp at the start of the 21st century is written, it will be all be about Valentino, the other riders will only be footnotes. Perhaps Casey can change that, then again maybe the next all-time great rider will be Lorenzo. Who knows? It won't be Nicky.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Valerian @ Jul 27 2007, 10:34 PM) [snapback]81773[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nicky is not the best rider in Motogp - never was, never will be. Great rider but not the best (then again they are all pretty good, aren't they?)
When the history of Motogp at the start of the 21st century is written, it will be all be about Valentino, the other riders will only be footnotes. Perhaps Casey can change that, then again maybe the next all-time great rider will be Lorenzo. Who knows? It won't be Nicky.
i'm not saying nicky has a place in history the way Vale does, i'm simply stating that last year he was better, and the record books will always show it. I woudln't expect the man who finally took Rossi's throne to be forgotten.
Nicky is not the best rider in Motogp - never was, never will be. Great rider but not the best (then again they are all pretty good, aren't they?)
When the history of Motogp at the start of the 21st century is written, it will be all be about Valentino, the other riders will only be footnotes. Perhaps Casey can change that, then again maybe the next all-time great rider will be Lorenzo. Who knows? It won't be Nicky.
i'm not saying nicky has a place in history the way Vale does, i'm simply stating that last year he was better, and the record books will always show it. I woudln't expect the man who finally took Rossi's throne to be forgotten.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 27 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]81774[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i'm not saying nicky has a place in history the way Vale does, i'm simply stating that last year he was better, and the record books will always show it. I woudln't expect the man who finally took Rossi's throne to be forgotten.
So what if, in the remainder of this season, Casey runs into mechanical problems with his bike which causes him to have a couple of DNF's and maybe someone even punts him off the track accidently and causes him to loose points for that race..
Let's say Vale doesn't win anymore races this season but he gets on the podium for the last races and still ends up winning the title by a small margin..
Would Vale be considered the better rider of the season?
Probably not.
i'm not saying nicky has a place in history the way Vale does, i'm simply stating that last year he was better, and the record books will always show it. I woudln't expect the man who finally took Rossi's throne to be forgotten.
So what if, in the remainder of this season, Casey runs into mechanical problems with his bike which causes him to have a couple of DNF's and maybe someone even punts him off the track accidently and causes him to loose points for that race..
Let's say Vale doesn't win anymore races this season but he gets on the podium for the last races and still ends up winning the title by a small margin..
Would Vale be considered the better rider of the season?
Probably not.
I honesty think that MotoGP is competition between bike manufacturers rather than riders. Honestly, why would companies spend millions of dollars just to make riders loook good. they do it to make the products better and sell more of their product.
Keeping that in mind, I am more interested in who makes a better product. When I spend $200-300 to buy motorcycle tires I'd like to know who makes a better tire. That affects me more than whether the racing was more exciting or not.
I really don't understand why so many of us get worked up about whihc rider is better. They are all good, better than most of us will ever be. And they seem to respect each other more than some us on the forum who talk smack. Have you ever heard one rider dis (disrespect) the other rider's skills?
Honestly, I feel that Michelin's days at MotoGP are numbered. They will qui like they did F1. Also, I read today that bridgestone have offered their tires carefullt only to those riders who:
1. have similar riding styles
2. will not slam their products if they do not work too well.
Since, they give their tires for free, they were able to be selective about it. Micheling on the other hand charged $1 million per team. The teams and riders have every right to complain after paying so much money. However, no one has really complained about Michelin's substandard perfomance. Rather, they have complained about the rules. Can you really blame Bridgestone for making a better tire?
Keeping that in mind, I am more interested in who makes a better product. When I spend $200-300 to buy motorcycle tires I'd like to know who makes a better tire. That affects me more than whether the racing was more exciting or not.
I really don't understand why so many of us get worked up about whihc rider is better. They are all good, better than most of us will ever be. And they seem to respect each other more than some us on the forum who talk smack. Have you ever heard one rider dis (disrespect) the other rider's skills?
Honestly, I feel that Michelin's days at MotoGP are numbered. They will qui like they did F1. Also, I read today that bridgestone have offered their tires carefullt only to those riders who:
1. have similar riding styles
2. will not slam their products if they do not work too well.
Since, they give their tires for free, they were able to be selective about it. Micheling on the other hand charged $1 million per team. The teams and riders have every right to complain after paying so much money. However, no one has really complained about Michelin's substandard perfomance. Rather, they have complained about the rules. Can you really blame Bridgestone for making a better tire?
