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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 18 2008, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay, I figured it out.one of the best posts i ever read on any racing forum. applause!
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Here's the real story ........ "Ezy had absolutely nothing to do with any talks/negotiations/encouragements regarding what Bridgestone should do for riders in 2008"
......... suddenly Lex's conspiracy seems not so unbelievable
......... suddenly Lex's conspiracy seems not so unbelievable
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 18 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK Ok, It all came down to lower viewership cause Valentino last year had such a horrible season. So Ezy did what he could to make sure that Valentino breaks the records he needed to so in a sence he makes history during this year and the NEW GOAT! So you can't have CS muckin up the whole plan with all that DUcati power and prowess. So he makes sure that Bstone ..... up on the tires for Stoner so even if he is out front beating Valentino he would still crash and have Vale win. SO you see Gents that this is all a big ufo coverup type thing to keep you off the real story. Which now we know that Vale will win another title. The Rossi Rump Rangers are all happy and think he really won it on his own like stoner did last year. ANd this sets up a season next year so that the torch can be passed to the new generation.
Hi Rockgod01
I to beleive something is going on at the moment hey.. Last year the sport was in a bad state in my opinon cos Valentino wasnt winning ppl stoped watching, plus Rossi dropping hints of retirement.
I think that .... WIT Ezy has done what he thinks is good for the sport, and made sure Valentino wins in 08,they cannot afford Rossi to not be Champion for a third year running.
My point is i recken something is going on with the tires too, look at some of the races since Stoner has been with Ducati, and the Pressure he has been under by Rossi and he has never fallon off.
Take Misano and Brno, he was leading by at 4 seconds under no real pressure at all, and all a sudden he loses the front?? .........
I think Ezy knows the younger guys are the Future of GP, but Dorns cant afford to loose Rossi yet, think how many ppl will watch it then, thats why Stoner will not win this year, and every one knows that Stoner/Ducati are the Fastest in the world at the moment, and this title is something for Rossi to sign off on. You watch next year Rossi will not win, ill put money on that right now just look at the GP09 next year, and Stoner i think that bike will set new Records just watch..
At Phillip Island and Motegi Stoner will win, cos the Title is over now and Ezy will make sure Stoner gets the good .... now, especially at his home Race..
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO 09
Hi Rockgod01
I to beleive something is going on at the moment hey.. Last year the sport was in a bad state in my opinon cos Valentino wasnt winning ppl stoped watching, plus Rossi dropping hints of retirement.
I think that .... WIT Ezy has done what he thinks is good for the sport, and made sure Valentino wins in 08,they cannot afford Rossi to not be Champion for a third year running.
My point is i recken something is going on with the tires too, look at some of the races since Stoner has been with Ducati, and the Pressure he has been under by Rossi and he has never fallon off.
Take Misano and Brno, he was leading by at 4 seconds under no real pressure at all, and all a sudden he loses the front?? .........
I think Ezy knows the younger guys are the Future of GP, but Dorns cant afford to loose Rossi yet, think how many ppl will watch it then, thats why Stoner will not win this year, and every one knows that Stoner/Ducati are the Fastest in the world at the moment, and this title is something for Rossi to sign off on. You watch next year Rossi will not win, ill put money on that right now just look at the GP09 next year, and Stoner i think that bike will set new Records just watch..
At Phillip Island and Motegi Stoner will win, cos the Title is over now and Ezy will make sure Stoner gets the good .... now, especially at his home Race..
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO 09
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 19 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Rockgod01
I to beleive something is going on at the moment hey.. Last year the sport was in a bad state in my opinon cos Valentino wasnt winning ppl stoped watching, plus Rossi dropping hints of retirement.
I think that .... WIT Ezy has done what he thinks is good for the sport, and made sure Valentino wins in 08,they cannot afford Rossi to not be Champion for a third year running.
My point is i recken something is going on with the tires too, look at some of the races since Stoner has been with Ducati, and the Pressure he has been under by Rossi and he has never fallon off.
Take Misano and Brno, he was leading by at 4 seconds under no real pressure at all, and all a sudden he loses the front?? .........
I think Ezy knows the younger guys are the Future of GP, but Dorns cant afford to loose Rossi yet, think how many ppl will watch it then, thats why Stoner will not win this year, and every one knows that Stoner/Ducati are the Fastest in the world at the moment, and this title is something for Rossi to sign off on. You watch next year Rossi will not win, ill put money on that right now just look at the GP09 next year, and Stoner i think that bike will set new Records just watch..
At Phillip Island and Motegi Stoner will win, cos the Title is over now and Ezy will make sure Stoner gets the good .... now, especially at his home Race..
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO 09
Now there's a ture cheerleader Jumkie. Blame Ezy for bad riding.
Exactly how would Ezy manipulate the tires. Stoner is fast all weekend so most of his tires must be ok, right? Does Ezy come in Sunday moring and tell the Ducati mechanics to put "this special tire" on?
Get a grip boy, Stoner made mistakes under circumstances where HE felt pressured. Doesn't matter if you or I think 3 sec is enough unless Stoner doesn't think he got all under control.
I to beleive something is going on at the moment hey.. Last year the sport was in a bad state in my opinon cos Valentino wasnt winning ppl stoped watching, plus Rossi dropping hints of retirement.
I think that .... WIT Ezy has done what he thinks is good for the sport, and made sure Valentino wins in 08,they cannot afford Rossi to not be Champion for a third year running.
My point is i recken something is going on with the tires too, look at some of the races since Stoner has been with Ducati, and the Pressure he has been under by Rossi and he has never fallon off.
Take Misano and Brno, he was leading by at 4 seconds under no real pressure at all, and all a sudden he loses the front?? .........
I think Ezy knows the younger guys are the Future of GP, but Dorns cant afford to loose Rossi yet, think how many ppl will watch it then, thats why Stoner will not win this year, and every one knows that Stoner/Ducati are the Fastest in the world at the moment, and this title is something for Rossi to sign off on. You watch next year Rossi will not win, ill put money on that right now just look at the GP09 next year, and Stoner i think that bike will set new Records just watch..
At Phillip Island and Motegi Stoner will win, cos the Title is over now and Ezy will make sure Stoner gets the good .... now, especially at his home Race..
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO 09
Now there's a ture cheerleader Jumkie. Blame Ezy for bad riding.
Exactly how would Ezy manipulate the tires. Stoner is fast all weekend so most of his tires must be ok, right? Does Ezy come in Sunday moring and tell the Ducati mechanics to put "this special tire" on?
Get a grip boy, Stoner made mistakes under circumstances where HE felt pressured. Doesn't matter if you or I think 3 sec is enough unless Stoner doesn't think he got all under control.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 19 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point is i recken something is going on with the tires too, look at some of the races since Stoner has been with Ducati, and the Pressure he has been under by Rossi and he has never fallon off.
Take Misano and Brno, he was leading by at 4 seconds under no real pressure at all, and all a sudden he loses the front?? .........
So his race tires were good enough for him to get into the lead and get a bit of a gap; but in someway they then contributed to him falling off?
If his previously faithful tire supplier had started giving him road tires then he wouldn't have been out in front in the first place. He wouldn't be lapping fastest for the first four laps; unless you are suggesting that they have cunningly camouflaged some budget remolds by covering them with a few laps worth of top spec rubber?
Maybe Ezy has some sort of remote control that causes the front end to wash out when he presses a button?
Stoner has fallen quite a few times in practice this year when pushing the bike - on his way to dominating free practice and qualifying. (He was also quite fond of binning it at LCR)
His trips to the gravel could have nothing to do with the fact that he is keen to avoid another wheel to wheel punch up with Rossi ala Laguna (which he clearly didn't enjoy) and so was trying to disappear into the distance like he did last season?
And they suggest that some Rossi fans are "fanboys"!
Take Misano and Brno, he was leading by at 4 seconds under no real pressure at all, and all a sudden he loses the front?? .........
So his race tires were good enough for him to get into the lead and get a bit of a gap; but in someway they then contributed to him falling off?
If his previously faithful tire supplier had started giving him road tires then he wouldn't have been out in front in the first place. He wouldn't be lapping fastest for the first four laps; unless you are suggesting that they have cunningly camouflaged some budget remolds by covering them with a few laps worth of top spec rubber?
Maybe Ezy has some sort of remote control that causes the front end to wash out when he presses a button?
Stoner has fallen quite a few times in practice this year when pushing the bike - on his way to dominating free practice and qualifying. (He was also quite fond of binning it at LCR)
His trips to the gravel could have nothing to do with the fact that he is keen to avoid another wheel to wheel punch up with Rossi ala Laguna (which he clearly didn't enjoy) and so was trying to disappear into the distance like he did last season?
And they suggest that some Rossi fans are "fanboys"!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlackKnight @ Sep 19 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So his race tires were good enough for him to get into the lead and get a bit of a gap; but in someway they then contributed to him falling off?
If his previously faithful tire supplier had started giving him road tires then he wouldn't have been out in front in the first place. He wouldn't be lapping fastest for the first four laps; unless you are suggesting that they have cunningly camouflaged some budget remolds by covering them with a few laps worth of top spec rubber?
Maybe Ezy has some sort of remote control that causes the front end to wash out when he presses a button?
Don't steal my ideas. I introduced that a couple of weeks ago.
So far it's the best explanation for why he falls so "mysteriously"
If his previously faithful tire supplier had started giving him road tires then he wouldn't have been out in front in the first place. He wouldn't be lapping fastest for the first four laps; unless you are suggesting that they have cunningly camouflaged some budget remolds by covering them with a few laps worth of top spec rubber?
Maybe Ezy has some sort of remote control that causes the front end to wash out when he presses a button?
Don't steal my ideas. I introduced that a couple of weeks ago.
So far it's the best explanation for why he falls so "mysteriously"
Thanks to everyone who read the post and replied, even if it wasn't a favorable critique.
Anyway the Lex files contains lots of garbage and lots of interesting tidbits. Over the course of this season I have felt frustrated trying to get all of the pieces of the puzzle together. I knew Dorna's instructions weren't going to create a picture that looked like this season. I'd like to thank whoever posted the link to the John Hopkins interview. When I found that piece that everything started coming together.
<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Notes A few extra notes
1. I didn't do a good job of recounting the pickle Ezy was in at the end of 2007. If you remember the tire situation went from a nagging problem to situation critical over the course of about 24 hrs. I think Ezy wasn't too terribly angry that Bridgestone wouldn't supply upon first refusal. After he secured Michelin to provide a control tire if necessary, I think he felt somewhat relieved. He probably knew Rossi would be unhappy, but he would make sure the Michelin spec tires worked on the Yam. When Rossi got the news about the Michelin spec tire he was unhappy and said he would retire when his contract was up.
Suddenly, Ezy had to make things competitive, transfer Rossi to Bridgestone, and prop Michelin up for another season. Ezy probably never threatened a Michelin control to make Bridgestone supply Rossi. A Michelin control would have been Rossi's worst nightmare.
2. It is important to point out that Michelin were very probably given a second chance to stay in the 800cc era. How do we know? The Bridgestone qualifier. Remember at the beginning of this season when Rossi was going on and on about the importance of a good qualifier, he was rumored to have been developing one. You don't develop a quali or even consider a quali if a control tire is guaranteed for 2009. In fact, the complete disappearance of the Bridgestone qualifier SEEMS to indicate that a control tire has been chosen for 2009.
3. Pedrosa is running the pneumatic engine because he has Bridgestones, but probably not because it was built to run with Bridgestones. You may remember me sideswiping Pedrosa because it was convenient. The pneumo has been in development for a long time, I think it's pretty obvious that Fukui told Pedrosa/Puig they can kiss the Bridgestones goodbye if they refuse to run the pneumatic valved engine, AGAIN. It was a trade between HRC and Pedrosa.
4. Rossi's championship is more legit than I realized. Really, it's kind of comedic that Rossi/Burgess adapted better to the old Bstones quicker than Ducati did. The same way it was tragically hilarious for Hayden fans when Ducati smoked HRC and their little 800cc pocket bike.
Ducati really did have a hell of a time getting their new bike and electronics to work well with old tires. Stoner's hatred of the old tires certainly didn't help. Even though there was some comedy in Ducati's troubles, it is really tragic that yet another WC has been a victim of frivolous changes to the sport. Stoner really deserved better. Interestingly enough, Stoner and Hayden are on the same team for 2009. Both could redeem themselves next season!
Anyways, thanks for reading. Some pieces definitely fit a little loosely, and a few of the major components may be slightly out of place; but I hope some of you got a kick out of reading the conspiracy.
Is it right? Who knows? Who cares? It will be irrelevant by the time next season rolls around.
2009 Is just around the corner.
Anyway the Lex files contains lots of garbage and lots of interesting tidbits. Over the course of this season I have felt frustrated trying to get all of the pieces of the puzzle together. I knew Dorna's instructions weren't going to create a picture that looked like this season. I'd like to thank whoever posted the link to the John Hopkins interview. When I found that piece that everything started coming together.
<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Notes A few extra notes
1. I didn't do a good job of recounting the pickle Ezy was in at the end of 2007. If you remember the tire situation went from a nagging problem to situation critical over the course of about 24 hrs. I think Ezy wasn't too terribly angry that Bridgestone wouldn't supply upon first refusal. After he secured Michelin to provide a control tire if necessary, I think he felt somewhat relieved. He probably knew Rossi would be unhappy, but he would make sure the Michelin spec tires worked on the Yam. When Rossi got the news about the Michelin spec tire he was unhappy and said he would retire when his contract was up.
Suddenly, Ezy had to make things competitive, transfer Rossi to Bridgestone, and prop Michelin up for another season. Ezy probably never threatened a Michelin control to make Bridgestone supply Rossi. A Michelin control would have been Rossi's worst nightmare.
2. It is important to point out that Michelin were very probably given a second chance to stay in the 800cc era. How do we know? The Bridgestone qualifier. Remember at the beginning of this season when Rossi was going on and on about the importance of a good qualifier, he was rumored to have been developing one. You don't develop a quali or even consider a quali if a control tire is guaranteed for 2009. In fact, the complete disappearance of the Bridgestone qualifier SEEMS to indicate that a control tire has been chosen for 2009.
3. Pedrosa is running the pneumatic engine because he has Bridgestones, but probably not because it was built to run with Bridgestones. You may remember me sideswiping Pedrosa because it was convenient. The pneumo has been in development for a long time, I think it's pretty obvious that Fukui told Pedrosa/Puig they can kiss the Bridgestones goodbye if they refuse to run the pneumatic valved engine, AGAIN. It was a trade between HRC and Pedrosa.
4. Rossi's championship is more legit than I realized. Really, it's kind of comedic that Rossi/Burgess adapted better to the old Bstones quicker than Ducati did. The same way it was tragically hilarious for Hayden fans when Ducati smoked HRC and their little 800cc pocket bike.
Anyways, thanks for reading. Some pieces definitely fit a little loosely, and a few of the major components may be slightly out of place; but I hope some of you got a kick out of reading the conspiracy.
Is it right? Who knows? Who cares? It will be irrelevant by the time next season rolls around.
2009 Is just around the corner.
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Well Lex, I know you get a lot of .... for the reputation of being a conspiracy theorist. Rest assured though that most of that has come from the Rossi faithful, which if you think about it, is kind of a compliment.
I agree, a control tire would be bad for Rossi, but that is assuming everybody gets the same spec tires (which I doubt while he's and active member of the grid and Ezy is in charge). But maybe Babel knows, since he know everything about tires and what works at the track and all.
As far as the rest of your ...., I read it, some I agree and some I don't. But it sure helps when some of the conspiracy is validated by investigative reports leak out the smoke-room dealings of these guys and make you look like a genius as did the Nakano-Bstonesgate.
Oh yeah, your political views suck though. End of the world is near thanks to Bush & Co. Just when I thought he could do no more harm in the last throws of the presidency, he sinks the nation into five times the debt of the cost of the current war! .... me.
I agree, a control tire would be bad for Rossi, but that is assuming everybody gets the same spec tires (which I doubt while he's and active member of the grid and Ezy is in charge). But maybe Babel knows, since he know everything about tires and what works at the track and all.
As far as the rest of your ...., I read it, some I agree and some I don't. But it sure helps when some of the conspiracy is validated by investigative reports leak out the smoke-room dealings of these guys and make you look like a genius as did the Nakano-Bstonesgate.
Oh yeah, your political views suck though. End of the world is near thanks to Bush & Co. Just when I thought he could do no more harm in the last throws of the presidency, he sinks the nation into five times the debt of the cost of the current war! .... me.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Sep 19 2008, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How much crack did you smoke before thinking this up?
About as much as Ezy does thinking we won't see what is really going on. You'd have to be high to think you can fool the smart people. But maybe not, perhaps its only necessary to fool the Rossi cult followers...for which he has succeeded
About as much as Ezy does thinking we won't see what is really going on. You'd have to be high to think you can fool the smart people. But maybe not, perhaps its only necessary to fool the Rossi cult followers...for which he has succeeded
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 20 2008, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Lex, I know you get a lot of .... for the reputation of being a conspiracy theorist. Rest assured though that most of that has come from the Rossi faithful, which if you think about it, is kind of a compliment.
I agree, a control tire would be bad for Rossi, but that is assuming everybody gets the same spec tires (which I doubt while he's and active member of the grid and Ezy is in charge). But maybe Babel knows, since he know everything about tires and what works at the track and all.
Well, falsifying casted labels on tires under production, track them and deliver them to the right bike would be an enormous task. Ezy would need a shitload of people on his payroll, including a couple of executives, quite a few factory workers on several levels, transport workers, lots of people at the tire facility inside the padock. That's only inside the control tire manufacturer. He probably would need the whole team and the rider(s) into it as well. But then again reality suck, it's laborsome, boring and present an enourmous risk of being discovered for anyone so stupid that they would try such a stunt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as the rest of your ...., I read it, some I agree and some I don't. But it sure helps when some of the conspiracy is validated by investigative reports leak out the smoke-room dealings of these guys and make you look like a genius as did the Nakano-Bstonesgate.
Can't you destingush between wuoting rumors and and actual investigation? Wouldn't such a scandal be worth it's own article with all the details present? Followed by lot's of other online magazines, forcing FIM into action....
No, better leak out the sensational findings inside another article.
I agree, a control tire would be bad for Rossi, but that is assuming everybody gets the same spec tires (which I doubt while he's and active member of the grid and Ezy is in charge). But maybe Babel knows, since he know everything about tires and what works at the track and all.
Well, falsifying casted labels on tires under production, track them and deliver them to the right bike would be an enormous task. Ezy would need a shitload of people on his payroll, including a couple of executives, quite a few factory workers on several levels, transport workers, lots of people at the tire facility inside the padock. That's only inside the control tire manufacturer. He probably would need the whole team and the rider(s) into it as well. But then again reality suck, it's laborsome, boring and present an enourmous risk of being discovered for anyone so stupid that they would try such a stunt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as the rest of your ...., I read it, some I agree and some I don't. But it sure helps when some of the conspiracy is validated by investigative reports leak out the smoke-room dealings of these guys and make you look like a genius as did the Nakano-Bstonesgate.
Can't you destingush between wuoting rumors and and actual investigation? Wouldn't such a scandal be worth it's own article with all the details present? Followed by lot's of other online magazines, forcing FIM into action....
No, better leak out the sensational findings inside another article.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 19 2008, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Can't you destingush between wuoting rumors and and actual investigation? Wouldn't such a scandal be worth it's own article with all the details present? Followed by lot's of other online magazines, forcing FIM into action....
No, better leak out the sensational findings inside another article.
I see you are about to reach 2000 posts. But still not any smarter.
Can't you destingush between wuoting rumors and and actual investigation? Wouldn't such a scandal be worth it's own article with all the details present? Followed by lot's of other online magazines, forcing FIM into action....
No, better leak out the sensational findings inside another article.
I see you are about to reach 2000 posts. But still not any smarter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 20 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see you are about to reach 2000 posts. But still not any smarter.
That's so true, if I intended to get smarter I sure woudn't spend much time here.
But you obviously have the expectations of getting smarter by posting a lot here but I must say the future doesn't look bright. With posts like the ones you had in the indy tread tells me you still have a lot to learn about racing.
That's so true, if I intended to get smarter I sure woudn't spend much time here.
But you obviously have the expectations of getting smarter by posting a lot here but I must say the future doesn't look bright. With posts like the ones you had in the indy tread tells me you still have a lot to learn about racing.
There is one and one problem only with the .... Lex is coming up with all the time:
-WHERE IS THE PROOF MAN?!
It's all just speculation. You are guessing, making your own mind about things by looking at race results. But race results alone DON'T PROVE .....
Ok, it is POSSIBLE that you could have something right, but still, it's just speculation without proof. You just think that you are the one who has got it right, but I have my doubts.
-WHERE IS THE PROOF MAN?!
It's all just speculation. You are guessing, making your own mind about things by looking at race results. But race results alone DON'T PROVE .....
Ok, it is POSSIBLE that you could have something right, but still, it's just speculation without proof. You just think that you are the one who has got it right, but I have my doubts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Sep 20 2008, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is one and one problem only with the .... Lex is coming up with all the time:
-WHERE IS THE PROOF MAN?!
It's all just speculation. You are guessing, making your own mind about things by looking at race results. But race results alone DON'T PROVE .....
Ok, it is POSSIBLE that you could have something right, but still, it's just speculation without proof. You just think that you are the one who has got it right, but I have my doubts.
Have you seen the new video on Dorna's site.
Rossi has his own marketing division at Dorna HQ.
I remember what happened the last time they ran an ad for the doctor. It was about the doctor's next operation at LeMans. Mamola went to interview Suppo during the WUP lap and caught him off guard with a question about the tires. Suppo's reponse: "Uhhhhh.................[cue crickets]. This surface is for sure not the best for us. We found somethings in TESTING uh practice and tires shouldn't be a problem."
Smooth Livio. The next day Stoner was the fastest man on circuit and Bridgestone revealed they were testing many different rear tires during the race.
I think you're probably right---nothing fishy is going on. Testing rear tires is something you do on race day when you're trying to defend a championship. Furthermore, when you win the first race by a country mile it is normal to build a completely new test bike for the next round.
Do you have any explanations for the first 5 or 6 rounds of the season?
You know what, thank you for posting that. You've made me realize that in addition to losing the 2007 technology they need for Ducati, Bridgestone were also banned from off season development. Why else would there be all out testing after the season began? Why else would they sneak Gibby into Mugello then eventually have to confirm on MotoGP.com that he is on a schedule of tests with Ducati? Thank you. Rossi adapting the the 990 B-stones better than Ducati was racking my brain because it makes no sense, but now it does. B-stone Ducati didn't redevelop the old stuff until after Qatar.
Wow. Bridgestone/Ducati must have done something really bad.
If they couldn't develop that means the 2007s were banned probably because circuit runoff couldn't support another season of 2007 development. Ducati was allowed to run them for one race so as not to completely screw Stoner while tipping off the fans/media that the tires had changed. It also explains why Rossi ran a 990cc setup and melted his tires at the first round. You would think off season testing could have prevented that. This is really starting to come together.
-WHERE IS THE PROOF MAN?!
It's all just speculation. You are guessing, making your own mind about things by looking at race results. But race results alone DON'T PROVE .....
Ok, it is POSSIBLE that you could have something right, but still, it's just speculation without proof. You just think that you are the one who has got it right, but I have my doubts.
Have you seen the new video on Dorna's site.
Rossi has his own marketing division at Dorna HQ.
I remember what happened the last time they ran an ad for the doctor. It was about the doctor's next operation at LeMans. Mamola went to interview Suppo during the WUP lap and caught him off guard with a question about the tires. Suppo's reponse: "Uhhhhh.................[cue crickets]. This surface is for sure not the best for us. We found somethings in TESTING uh practice and tires shouldn't be a problem."
Smooth Livio. The next day Stoner was the fastest man on circuit and Bridgestone revealed they were testing many different rear tires during the race.
I think you're probably right---nothing fishy is going on. Testing rear tires is something you do on race day when you're trying to defend a championship. Furthermore, when you win the first race by a country mile it is normal to build a completely new test bike for the next round.
Do you have any explanations for the first 5 or 6 rounds of the season?
You know what, thank you for posting that. You've made me realize that in addition to losing the 2007 technology they need for Ducati, Bridgestone were also banned from off season development. Why else would there be all out testing after the season began? Why else would they sneak Gibby into Mugello then eventually have to confirm on MotoGP.com that he is on a schedule of tests with Ducati? Thank you. Rossi adapting the the 990 B-stones better than Ducati was racking my brain because it makes no sense, but now it does. B-stone Ducati didn't redevelop the old stuff until after Qatar.
Wow. Bridgestone/Ducati must have done something really bad.
If they couldn't develop that means the 2007s were banned probably because circuit runoff couldn't support another season of 2007 development. Ducati was allowed to run them for one race so as not to completely screw Stoner while tipping off the fans/media that the tires had changed. It also explains why Rossi ran a 990cc setup and melted his tires at the first round. You would think off season testing could have prevented that. This is really starting to come together.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 19 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now there's a ture cheerleader Jumkie. Blame Ezy for bad riding.
Exactly how would Ezy manipulate the tires. Stoner is fast all weekend so most of his tires must be ok, right? Does Ezy come in Sunday moring and tell the Ducati mechanics to put "this special tire" on?
Get a grip boy, Stoner made mistakes under circumstances where HE felt pressured. Doesn't matter if you or I think 3 sec is enough unless Stoner doesn't think he got all under control.
All I can really say is that life is stranger than fiction. Now look there was so much talk last year about this very thing and how viewership is plummeting plus how the ducati squad must be cheating and this and that so... I don't know for real but isn't this the same sort of thing that happens like when someone is called out then lies to protect themselves then they really are found out then has to come clean. It just happend in American politics with John Edwards. The dude was accused, lied, found out, lied some more then had to come clean but no one thought for real this happened but it did. Funny how 3 races in a row stoner is out front then happens to just dump it. One could argue any point in this so you have to keep an open mind. Realisticly though stoner did make the mistake, or at least this is what everyone wants you to think. LOL.
Exactly how would Ezy manipulate the tires. Stoner is fast all weekend so most of his tires must be ok, right? Does Ezy come in Sunday moring and tell the Ducati mechanics to put "this special tire" on?
Get a grip boy, Stoner made mistakes under circumstances where HE felt pressured. Doesn't matter if you or I think 3 sec is enough unless Stoner doesn't think he got all under control.
All I can really say is that life is stranger than fiction. Now look there was so much talk last year about this very thing and how viewership is plummeting plus how the ducati squad must be cheating and this and that so... I don't know for real but isn't this the same sort of thing that happens like when someone is called out then lies to protect themselves then they really are found out then has to come clean. It just happend in American politics with John Edwards. The dude was accused, lied, found out, lied some more then had to come clean but no one thought for real this happened but it did. Funny how 3 races in a row stoner is out front then happens to just dump it. One could argue any point in this so you have to keep an open mind. Realisticly though stoner did make the mistake, or at least this is what everyone wants you to think. LOL.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 20 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All I can really say is that life is stranger than fiction. Now look there was so much talk last year about this very thing and how viewership is plummeting plus how the ducati squad must be cheating and this and that so... I don't know for real but isn't this the same sort of thing that happens like when someone is called out then lies to protect themselves then they really are found out then has to come clean. It just happend in American politics with John Edwards. The dude was accused, lied, found out, lied some more then had to come clean but no one thought for real this happened but it did. Funny how 3 races in a row stoner is out front then happens to just dump it. One could argue any point in this so you have to keep an open mind. Realisticly though stoner did make the mistake, or at least this is what everyone wants you to think. LOL.
Oh, i'm not mocking the possibility that there were pressure from Ezy on Bridgestone. I'm mocking Jumkie for failing to see the difference between investigating jounalism and just another one joining in on the the same that every one were talking about but nobody knew anything definitive about last year. But at least Noyes keep it to casue and effect and doesn't spinn a whole consiracy out of it. But that wasn't enough for Jumkie last year. He and Lex added a twist to the storry, that Rossi was the acutal mastermind forcing Ezy to do this.
MY suspision is that Bridgestone are the real crooks here, using capacity as an excuse to maintain the impression of competition by holding Rossi out, while they all along knew, and what Rossi found out from following stoner all year, that they simply have a much better base configuration of their tires than Michelin, and winning another WC with Stoner would be so much sweeter than winning with Rossi. Now, shutting out a rider on false resons is more than good enough reason for others to put some pressure on to make things right in my book.
Rossi knew he would need a better engine and better tires then michelin to take the fight to stoner and his ONLY reason to stay in MotoGP is to win, so whats more natural than to say "I quit if I can't get the legal and available equipement to beat my competitors". That's not pressure, it's straight talking, but not for Jumkie and Lex.
Oh, i'm not mocking the possibility that there were pressure from Ezy on Bridgestone. I'm mocking Jumkie for failing to see the difference between investigating jounalism and just another one joining in on the the same that every one were talking about but nobody knew anything definitive about last year. But at least Noyes keep it to casue and effect and doesn't spinn a whole consiracy out of it. But that wasn't enough for Jumkie last year. He and Lex added a twist to the storry, that Rossi was the acutal mastermind forcing Ezy to do this.
MY suspision is that Bridgestone are the real crooks here, using capacity as an excuse to maintain the impression of competition by holding Rossi out, while they all along knew, and what Rossi found out from following stoner all year, that they simply have a much better base configuration of their tires than Michelin, and winning another WC with Stoner would be so much sweeter than winning with Rossi. Now, shutting out a rider on false resons is more than good enough reason for others to put some pressure on to make things right in my book.
Rossi knew he would need a better engine and better tires then michelin to take the fight to stoner and his ONLY reason to stay in MotoGP is to win, so whats more natural than to say "I quit if I can't get the legal and available equipement to beat my competitors". That's not pressure, it's straight talking, but not for Jumkie and Lex.
