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Norah Head
The emptying barrel of Boppers is getting dryer isn't it .........
we seem to be at the stage where all that is left is the "thick dregs" at the bottom
Historical Revisionism
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The emptying barrel of Boppers is getting dryer isn't it .........
we seem to be at the stage where all that is left is the "thick dregs" at the bottom
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Pangea
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
What a load of subjective crap - you could have transmitted your message with just a few words
"I, Squiggle do not like Rossi"
History is typically written AND revised by the winners - aka in this case the folks with the most titles - so when you find somebody amongst his contemporaries who can pull that rank on VR - you will have justified your prerogative to reinterpret.
And just to pre-empt Jumk & Co
Bop, bop, boppity, bop bop
please take the time to write a bit of subjective crap like that if you feel like criticizing him without making any points at all.
all you do is call posts crap if the reveal something disturbing to you and take sides of the idiots flodding this place with fundamentalist nonsense.
welcome to the board squiggle and all the others! great to see new members with neutral minds and the capability to create useful posts join this place.
may the revoultion ontrack an on forums worldwide begin, the no-bs-era is finally returning
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Shovel's Club
Welcome to the forum Mr Squiggle. You seem to fit in with this band of crazies rather well. Please stick around.
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Your Mom's House
Why do you hate Rossi so much?
First of all "Mr. Scribbly" (or whatever lame and non unique name you call yourself, you could have saved us all a lot of time and just made your forum name, SkipMyPosts). I don't much appreciate the long post, or should I say ESSAY. That is my job and my job alone around these parts of town. (You are obviously a new booty around here, consider yourself warned.) I don't want to see nothing more than 7999 words per ESSAY. Anything with 8000 words or more is a direct crossing of the line we have come to love, respect, and affectionately long for, known as "Jumkies' Domain".
Second, I don't much appreciate all this talk of Rossi and the treatment he's gotten. Sure, there was nothing "technically wrong" with the little part I read (well at least not in the ‘80 seconds’ it took me to skip to the end) know yea hence forth, you are on notice, you should know now, I intend to go back and read it carefully and look for discrepancies. I will not tolerated such talk about Rossi as surely you are aware much of what you said has failed to appear in official press releases.
And thirdly, but most importantly, I didn't once see the name Nicky Hayden and the required positive anecdote. Please forgive me for getting ghetto here, but you quite deserve it, what kind of horseshit is that all about? It is required, that if you are going to write such a ‘long post’ (yes, I have now downgraded it from "essay" to "long post"), then you must mix in at very least one sentence relating Nicky in a positive light. Who do you think you are?
I demand you redress and redirect immediately! I say this for your own good. Don't make me get Medieval on your ....
What part of "9 Time World Champion" do you NOT understand?
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Pangea
Dearest Jumkie,
Duly noted. I am addressing your concerns as we speak.
Sorry for my recalcitrance.....I now know my place as the beta alpha-male.
PS Go Nicky
PPS "What part of "9 Time World Champion" do you NOT understand?" Um........all of it
Duly noted. I am addressing your concerns as we speak.
Sorry for my recalcitrance.....I now know my place as the beta alpha-male.
PS Go Nicky
PPS "What part of "9 Time World Champion" do you NOT understand?" Um........all of it
Imo, historical revisionism occurs when people try to pretend that Rossi is a noble competitor who loves a fair fight or that Rossi is the Pontiff of the Church of MotoGP. Rossi's abilities are real and his titles are earned, but he has shown his inner diva since 2004. Time has endorsed his move to Yamaha b/c HRC continued to play politics with riders until very recently, but most of Rossi's ontrack and offtrack maneuvers have put a heavy patina on the high gloss finish he sells to fans. Patina is valuable b/c it has a desirable realism to it, but pretending that Rossi's gloss hasn't oxidized is like pretending the Statue of Liberty is not green (or French).
In 2004, Rossi was caught cleaning his grid position. Later during the GP, while trying to come from the back of the grid to win, Rossi chucked it down the road and put Sete back in contention. Rossi cursed Gibernau as a psychological tactic. The tactic was not successful b/c 4 GPs later, Sete had forced Rossi into a mistake at Jerez which put Sete on the brink of breaking the curse and taking home glory in Spain. Rather than suffer ignoble defeat (and learn from it), Rossi barged Sete off the road in the final turn. Imo, Gibby was ultimately broken by Rossi's gloating, his impetuousness, his impunity from FIM sporting regulations, and the indifference from the fanbase regarding Jerez 2005.
In 2006 and 2007, Rossi alleged that Michelin was the reason he couldn't win. The vitriol started just a few rounds into the 2006 season. The haste of his complaints demonstrated that Rossi's persistent development ethic was just a facade to cover his inner diva. After two seasons of limited success, he was seen skulking around paddock with Dorna officials and MotoGP technical partners. After 3-4 emergency tire meetings, Dorna made only one change for 2008--Rossi to Bridgestone. While I don't believe that Rossi's new tires were the only change for 2008, it is the one thing we can be certain of, and it is the version of history that 99% of all fans embrace.
During 2008 and 2009, Rossi became the GOAT, but his tribulations since 2010 have turned him back into the trolling diva who uses more psy-ops than skill. He famously gave the "it's him or me" ultimatum to Yamaha. It backfired. He retreated to Ducati after Lorenzo endeared himself to Yamaha executives and Bridgestone executives by running ideal lap times at a majority of the races. 2011 has brought another Jerez incident. Jerez 2011 is like a mixture of Qatar 2004 and Jerez 2005, imo, b/c he crashed during a Don Quixote charge from the back of the grid AND he took out one of his championship nemeses.
History has shown that if you apply pressure to Rossi, you never know what you are going to get. If Rossi succeeds he is the lovable GLOAT. If Rossi fails, he will use whatever means necessary to restore himself to the top step of the podium whether it's surreal talent or bogus curses, bogus racing moves, or bogus political games. Valentino Rossi, the chivalrous people's champ, is merely a character in the international sports drama called MotoGP. Valentino Rossi, the unscrupulous, hyper-competitive political animal, is the GOAT who seemingly always manages to ride his way onto the top step of the box no matter the odds and no matter the collateral damage (to himself or others).
Rossi is the poison. Rossi is the antidote. Embracing a single dominant personality trait (pro or con) is embracing an oversimplified, dichotomous version of historical events. Rossi is moody, modal, and modest (he likes the US b/c no one knows who he is), but on the track he is something very different.
If I were to narrate the story of his life, I would steal the narration from Casino and adapt it:
It will be interesting to see if it ends the same way:
In 2004, Rossi was caught cleaning his grid position. Later during the GP, while trying to come from the back of the grid to win, Rossi chucked it down the road and put Sete back in contention. Rossi cursed Gibernau as a psychological tactic. The tactic was not successful b/c 4 GPs later, Sete had forced Rossi into a mistake at Jerez which put Sete on the brink of breaking the curse and taking home glory in Spain. Rather than suffer ignoble defeat (and learn from it), Rossi barged Sete off the road in the final turn. Imo, Gibby was ultimately broken by Rossi's gloating, his impetuousness, his impunity from FIM sporting regulations, and the indifference from the fanbase regarding Jerez 2005.
In 2006 and 2007, Rossi alleged that Michelin was the reason he couldn't win. The vitriol started just a few rounds into the 2006 season. The haste of his complaints demonstrated that Rossi's persistent development ethic was just a facade to cover his inner diva. After two seasons of limited success, he was seen skulking around paddock with Dorna officials and MotoGP technical partners. After 3-4 emergency tire meetings, Dorna made only one change for 2008--Rossi to Bridgestone. While I don't believe that Rossi's new tires were the only change for 2008, it is the one thing we can be certain of, and it is the version of history that 99% of all fans embrace.
During 2008 and 2009, Rossi became the GOAT, but his tribulations since 2010 have turned him back into the trolling diva who uses more psy-ops than skill. He famously gave the "it's him or me" ultimatum to Yamaha. It backfired. He retreated to Ducati after Lorenzo endeared himself to Yamaha executives and Bridgestone executives by running ideal lap times at a majority of the races. 2011 has brought another Jerez incident. Jerez 2011 is like a mixture of Qatar 2004 and Jerez 2005, imo, b/c he crashed during a Don Quixote charge from the back of the grid AND he took out one of his championship nemeses.
History has shown that if you apply pressure to Rossi, you never know what you are going to get. If Rossi succeeds he is the lovable GLOAT. If Rossi fails, he will use whatever means necessary to restore himself to the top step of the podium whether it's surreal talent or bogus curses, bogus racing moves, or bogus political games. Valentino Rossi, the chivalrous people's champ, is merely a character in the international sports drama called MotoGP. Valentino Rossi, the unscrupulous, hyper-competitive political animal, is the GOAT who seemingly always manages to ride his way onto the top step of the box no matter the odds and no matter the collateral damage (to himself or others).
Rossi is the poison. Rossi is the antidote. Embracing a single dominant personality trait (pro or con) is embracing an oversimplified, dichotomous version of historical events. Rossi is moody, modal, and modest (he likes the US b/c no one knows who he is), but on the track he is something very different.
If I were to narrate the story of his life, I would steal the narration from Casino and adapt it:
It will be interesting to see if it ends the same way:
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Pangea
I have to say Lex I always find your posts fascinating - they offer a perspective that very few people have the capacity to fully comprehend let alone create to begin with. Bravo.
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Out of Nowhere
nicely done mr squiggle. its been a long road for some of the members on this forum. a few years back were almost nauseating. i don't have as much time to post as others, but do enjoy reading everyones opinions.
even tho some of this board don't have much to add.
Thanks. I like the Casino illustration b/c it is entertaining. The concept of a morality car wash for seaside bums is also an interesting idea with some relevance to the sport. Simoncelli and Iannone actually lend some credence to the idea that MotoGP is a renaissance for Italian seaside misfits who'd rather nurture their psychoses, unrealistic expectations, and lack of language skills rather than deal with a slow life away from the track.
Interesting idea isn't it? I wonder what other seaside vagrants will eventually follow in the footsteps of the GOAT. I wonder if they will ever be welcomed like Rossi has been.
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Pangea
Yes I enjoyed the Casino metaphor immensely. The "head in vice" scene for me was a shock to the system and a very confronting and brutal piece of cinema.
Rossi is leaving quite the legacy isnt he....still 9WC! Cant argue with that
And yes Arabb....I have been perusing the lex files......who doesnt love a good conspiracy?
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Pangea
Yes hopefully we can return to the good ole days - the so called golden era.....where all the riders hated each other openly - but the fans stood together as one
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Pangea
nicely done mr squiggle. its been a long road for some of the members on this forum. a few years back were almost nauseating. i don't have as much time to post as others, but do enjoy reading everyones opinions.even tho some of this board don't have much to add.
The zealots are ususally in the minority and never contribute anything constructive....it was getting over the top here a while back I agree! Glad to see the balance of the universe is returning to a state of equillibrium finally.
Jesus Pov, you just made me realise I'm an old prick
Welcome Mr Squiggle & an impressive first post.
However I'm thinking perhaps your a spy?
Looks like Valentino to me.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IWlOtJ5X_k[/media]
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Pangea
Jesus Pov, you just made me realise I'm an old prick
Welcome Mr Squiggle & an impressive first post.
However I'm thinking perhaps your a spy?
Looks like Valentino to me.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IWlOtJ5X_k[/media]
Yeh thats not my best side hehe
Cheers bro!
Yeh thats not my best side hehe
Cheers bro!
Perhaps a more apt video would be appropriate?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyv_VyubtzQ[/media]
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