What Jerry Burgess thinks

Stupid idea imo. No matter how much some will want it to be, this isn't football. Anyway, the contract disputes from a system like this would be huge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jul 11 2007, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stupid idea imo. No matter how much some will want it to be, this isn't football. Anyway, the contract disputes from a system like this would be huge.


in reality of course it is.

I am sure it was said just as an idea just to see what the championship would be like it this idea was at least possible.

It would stop certain riders just cruising around on top teams stopping fresher and newer but not nessessaringly younger riders coming through.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chanchan @ Jul 11 2007, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It would stop certain riders just cruising around on top teams stopping fresher and newer but not nessessaringly younger riders coming through.
i can see his point if under performing riders are preventing new talent from coming through but someone has to ride the tech 3 and other less funded teams. mabe jb wants it a factory team only series and ditch all satilite teams, just sounds unworkable and pompous to me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2007, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can see his point if under performing riders are preventing new talent from coming through but someone has to ride the tech 3 and other less funded teams. mabe jb wants it a factory team only series and ditch all satilite teams, just sounds unworkable and pompous to me.


yes i suppose so.

someone has to come last.

If it were only factory teams then there would not really be many bikes in the class and tv sponsorship and coverage would probably cease to exist.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chanchan @ Jul 11 2007, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>someone has to come last.

If it were only factory teams then there would not really be many bikes in the class and tv sponsorship and coverage would probably cease to exist.

1. quite right

2. right again, so jb's idea was the prodfuct of quite a few tinny' s i think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chanchan @ Jul 11 2007, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If it were only factory teams then there would not really be many bikes in the class and tv sponsorship and coverage would probably cease to exist.
Imagine only 10 bikes running around (assuming 2 per brand).


And to add to your insightful comment, not all factories are created equal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 11 2007, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine only 10 bikes running around (assuming 2 per brand).
And to add to your insightful comment, not all factories are created equal.

quite right RJ

totally boring viewing and probably big gaps between teams

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chanchan @ Jul 11 2007, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>quite right RJ

totally boring viewing and probably big gaps between teams
my point exactly, they should be encouraging more teams to join not kick out riders who joint lesser teams.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2007, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my point exactly, they should be encouraging more teams to join not kick out riders who joint lesser teams.

Just wondering if there is a limit of how many bikes can actually run in the top class??

anyone know

I think JB wasn't making a serious suggestion about the running of the championship but rather making a point about the riders he feels don't deserve there seats and only get the chances they get for political reasons (as everybody likes to put it).

I don't think politics has anything to do with it, because if you look at the riders generally considered under performers or "bike wasters", none of them seem to be the ones who have it all easy because they are from the countries favoured by these "politics"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 11 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think JB wasn't making a serious suggestion about the running of the championship but rather making a point about the riders he feels don't deserve there seats and only get the chances they get for political reasons (as everybody likes to put it).

I don't think politics has anything to do with it, because if you look at the riders generally considered under performers or "bike wasters", none of them seem to be the ones who have it all easy because they are from the countries favoured by these "politics"

More like the politics of racing, which is, how much cash infusion can you bring to the team.Its no secret that Moto Gp does not field the 19 best riders in the world.I would say the top 10 in the world and then there are the riders who dont deserve the ride, but bring huge dollars with them. Cash is King, and if you have it,you can get a ride.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 11 2007, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More like the politics of racing, which is, how much cash infusion can you bring to the team.Its no secret that Moto Gp does not field the 19 best riders in the world.I would say the top 10 in the world and then there are the riders who dont deserve the ride, but bring huge dollars with them. Cash is King, and if you have it,you can get a ride.

Examples of riders who are in motogp for the money they bring?

What a load of ....!

It's time for quite a few riders to give it away ... Checa, Barros, KRJR, CE2, Capirossi etc!

I don't want to ignite another "oldies" vs "youngsters" debate but the fact of the matter is they have underperformed in MotoGP (I'm not saying during their careers)! They now lack the hunger that comes with youth! Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of a couple of them, but this year with Casey REALLY giving it to #46, it has made it really interesting. If (Repsol) Honda had a decent bike it would make it VERY interesting!

I read an interesting article with Chris V, the other day ... he said Casey, Dani (and himself) don't fear Valentino ... they have enermous respect for him and his talent, but don't fear him. How much better will it be with Lorenzo, Dovisioso etc coming in with the same attitude! It makes for great racing! They may have attitude (eg Lorenzo) but they will be shot down if/when he can't cut it!

The blokes I mentioned earlier WILL NEVER be at their prime again ... It's time for a change!

This is a snippet out of an Moto Gp article on how hard it is to get to the bigs

Unfortunately, talent alone does not guarantee you a ride in the top class. In sport as in many other aspects of modern life, it's a sad fact that money does indeed talk. Without considerable financial backing, no end of talent will get you on the grid. Many riders struggle to get enough money behind them to be in a position where a team will even talk to them.

Here is another
Italian racing site GPOne.com is reporting that James Toseland is to hold a press conference on Thursday, at the Day of Champions. GPOne.com quotes Toseland's manager as saying the purpose of the press conference is to announce a tie with a sponsor, and not to talk about his future. But any talk of a personal sponsor is likely to open doors in MotoGP, if Toseland can bring money to a team. The press conference is expected at 1:30 pm.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jul 12 2007, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a load of ....!

It's time for quite a few riders to give it away ... Checa, Barros, KRJR, CE2, Capirossi etc!

I don't want to ignite another "oldies" vs "youngsters" debate but the fact of the matter is they have underperformed in MotoGP (I'm not saying during their careers)! They now lack the hunger that comes with youth! Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of a couple of them, but this year with Casey REALLY giving it to #46, it has made it really interesting. If (Repsol) Honda had a decent bike it would make it VERY interesting!

I read an interesting article with Chris V, the other day ... he said Casey, Dani (and himself) don't fear Valentino ... they have enermous respect for him and his talent, but don't fear him. How much better will it be with Lorenzo, Dovisioso etc coming in with the same attitude! It makes for great racing! They may have attitude (eg Lorenzo) but they will be shot down if/when he can't cut it!

The blokes I mentioned earlier WILL NEVER be at their prime again ... It's time for a change!


Now Krusty,you know damn good and well that age doesnt affect performance.Just ask Roger,he will set you straight.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 12 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now Krusty,you know damn good and well that age doesnt affect performance.Just ask Roger,he will set you straight.
Oh ..... Roger?




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 11 2007, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Examples of riders who are in motogp for the money they bring?

Here's one, not yet in MotoGP but headed there no doubt. But I do think apart from his infusion of sponsorship potential, he's got the talent to back it up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 12 2007, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But any talk of a personal sponsor is likely to open doors in MotoGP, if Toseland can bring money to a team.

I think JB’s suggestion is brilliant!!!...yes...take the 2 top riders from WSBK, WSS & 250’s integrate all the top classes to make motoGP the premier league and do it each year...same with the teams, and support other manufacturers (Aprilia, Cagiva, MV etc) to the premier class, or better still have each top manufacturers supply a satellite bike to the bottom teams etc...I’m sure that where there is a will there is a way....It’s a great idea and would make motoGP and m/cycle racing the most innovative on the planet....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CSCVAW @ Jul 13 2007, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> I think JB’s suggestion is brilliant!!!...yes...take the 2 top riders from WSBK, WSS & 250’s integrate all the top classes to make motoGP the premier league and do it each year...same with the teams, and support other manufacturers (Aprilia, Cagiva, MV etc) to the premier class, or better still have each top manufacturers supply a satellite bike to the bottom teams etc...I’m sure that where there is a will there is a way....It’s a great idea and would make motoGP and m/cycle racing the most innovative on the planet....
get you car checked out mate, i think the fumes are leaking or youve been on the wacky baccy ,theres no way it could work, the only way that could work is if all the riders were on equal bikes,only then could you say it was the rider under performing and not the equipment and that would have to be the same for all the series you were going to take or relegate riders to or from, that would make for boring racing and slow the development of prototypes,, i think jb should keep out of the sun and stay off the booze.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 13 2007, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>get you car checked out mate, i think the fumes are leaking or youve been on the wacky baccy ,theres no way it could work, the only way that could work is if all the riders were on equal bikes,only then could you say it was the rider under performing and not the equipment and that would have to be the same for all the series you were going to take or relegate riders to or from, that would make for boring racing and slow the development of prototypes,, i think jb should keep out of the sun and stay off the booze.

Damn,i actually agree with you on this one.I think its pretty damn arrogant of him to start calling for other riders heads.Stick him on a underfunded team with a past prime rider and see how he likes it.He has been at the top so long,it sounds like he forgot where he came from.He needs to worry about his team and keep his nose out of everyone elses business.One thing about racing,there is allways a first place and last place and given time, the big money teams will beat the underfunded teams

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 13 2007, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn,i actually agree with you on this one.I think its pretty damn arrogant of him to start calling for other riders heads.Stick him on a underfunded team with a past prime rider and see how he likes it.He has been at the top so long,it sounds like he forgot where he came from.He needs to worry about his team and keep his nose out of everyone elses business.One thing about racing,there is allways a first place and last place and given time, the big money teams will beat the underfunded teams

fair enough he has mostly been with the best riders but he along with vale tok a big risk in 04 when they both left a huge hrc factory well knowned for winning and took a chance on a under acheiving team and turned them into winners again.

he has not always been on winning sides you know.

i think what i heard him say face to face has ben taken out of context ,

it was meant as far as i can say to be a bit of humour and not meant to be mallicious.

the guy imo is a god amongst riders and teams and where he goes , so does the title ( normally )