I really want Yamaha to give Jorge a 5th "Telefonica" bike. $10mm from the sponsor, $3mm to Yamaha and $7mm to Jorge.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cristal @ Jul 14 2009, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="color:#9932CC <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%
Thanks for the reply Johnny, yikes! That's a lot of money, but I don't think its as much as those soccer players I guess.... much less for those 250cc and 125cc riders too... btw, I was wondering why there was no 125 and 250cc race at laguna seca last 2 weeks ago.. do u know why??
Rossi actually makes more money than any 'relevant' soccer player, with only David Beckham earning more per year. This is an all things considered Forbes calculation, with salaries and sponsorships.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/17/top-earni...s_slide_10.html
You are correct, however, that beyond Rossi, and especially in the lower classes there is a dramatic drop in earnings. I can't find a source at the moment, but as of 2007 it was believed the second highest paid motorcycle road racer in the world was in fact Mat Mladin, which highlights how little(relatively to Rossi, and Hoppers big contract) everyone else in the GP's and WorldSBK make. For 2008 and on, with Lorenzo's new premier class contract, new sponsors, and Stoner's renegotiated deal either of the two might have passed our loveable AMA racer. It is rumored that Stoner isn't money driven and signs for less than he possibly could get at Ducati
The Mladin figure may not be a fair comparison to other riders as he runs an import business in Australia and those earnings might have been added into his yearly salary/revenue. Interesting to know, and sheds more light on why he never went to worldsbk, but that has been beaten to death in the sbk forums.
Rossi actually makes more money than any 'relevant' soccer player, with only David Beckham earning more per year. This is an all things considered Forbes calculation, with salaries and sponsorships.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/17/top-earni...s_slide_10.html
You are correct, however, that beyond Rossi, and especially in the lower classes there is a dramatic drop in earnings. I can't find a source at the moment, but as of 2007 it was believed the second highest paid motorcycle road racer in the world was in fact Mat Mladin, which highlights how little(relatively to Rossi, and Hoppers big contract) everyone else in the GP's and WorldSBK make. For 2008 and on, with Lorenzo's new premier class contract, new sponsors, and Stoner's renegotiated deal either of the two might have passed our loveable AMA racer. It is rumored that Stoner isn't money driven and signs for less than he possibly could get at Ducati
The Mladin figure may not be a fair comparison to other riders as he runs an import business in Australia and those earnings might have been added into his yearly salary/revenue. Interesting to know, and sheds more light on why he never went to worldsbk, but that has been beaten to death in the sbk forums.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 20 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really want Yamaha to give Jorge a 5th "Telefonica" bike. $10mm from the sponsor, $3mm to Yamaha and $7mm to Jorge.
Isn't the lease price of a GP bike around 1.5-2 million euro? I remember hearing that the Aprilia RSA's were 1.5 million and thats a 250. The factories no doubt charge (the satellites) for profit, so perhaps the cost to run a GP bike for a year with parts and development is only 1 million euro. That leaves 2 mil for the rest of the team functions. I have no business logistics experience, but is that enough? Travel, salaries, lodging expenses, it adds up to quite a bit, but it could be doable. IF anyone knows any more on the subject that would be great.
Isn't the lease price of a GP bike around 1.5-2 million euro? I remember hearing that the Aprilia RSA's were 1.5 million and thats a 250. The factories no doubt charge (the satellites) for profit, so perhaps the cost to run a GP bike for a year with parts and development is only 1 million euro. That leaves 2 mil for the rest of the team functions. I have no business logistics experience, but is that enough? Travel, salaries, lodging expenses, it adds up to quite a bit, but it could be doable. IF anyone knows any more on the subject that would be great.
If Lorenzo moves to Honda next year because they are willing to pay him his 5mil, although the Yamaha is clearly the best bike, then I will lose all respect for the guy because all he will prove to everyone is that he is only interested in money.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nomad @ Jul 20 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Lorenzo moves to Honda next year because they are willing to pay him his 5mil, although the Yamaha is clearly the best bike, then I will lose all respect for the guy because all he will prove to everyone is that he is only interested in money.
If he were switching to Kawasaki then I would agree with you. Honda is about the most prolific manufacturer in GP history and have never been too far off the pace. The M1 is the best bike on the grid at the moment, but Honda could very well get the 212 to an equal pace in short order.
If he were switching to Kawasaki then I would agree with you. Honda is about the most prolific manufacturer in GP history and have never been too far off the pace. The M1 is the best bike on the grid at the moment, but Honda could very well get the 212 to an equal pace in short order.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 20 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he were switching to Kawasaki then I would agree with you. Honda is about the most prolific manufacturer in GP history and have never been too far off the pace. The M1 is the best bike on the grid at the moment, but Honda could very well get the 212 to an equal pace in short order.
Not to mention being out from under the foot of Rossi.
Not to mention being out from under the foot of Rossi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 20 2009, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really want Yamaha to give Jorge a 5th "Telefonica" bike. $10mm from the sponsor, $3mm to Yamaha and $7mm to Jorge.
The rumour is that it cost as much as $3 million euros to lease a Factory MotoGP bike. I think the number is much lower, but will use it for arguments sake. The Pramac and Groupo Hernando people apparently paid less for a Desmo than they would've for an Aprilia.
The factory Ducati team has about 23 people working for them (not including Casey & Nicky).
8 of those people would be redundant if Yamaha or HRC were to sign Lorenzo to his own team. So we are looking at the cost of 15 people over 17/18 races (12/13 euro, 5 fly away). At $2k/person for fly aways and $1k for home races, transport and lodging costs would be well under $500k. Euro hospitality (vans, scooters, trailers) probably has a fixed cost of under $1mm.
Assuming everyone makes $100k, salaries would be $1.5mm
So an oppulent top notch team could be run for $6 million/yr as a startup. Title sponsorship is generally $20mm/yr for 2 riders over 2 years. Assuming Telefonica gave Lorenzo got $10mm, he'd make more than what Yamaha is offering. And my estimates are conservative. He could probably save a million and have a team to call his own.
The rumour is that it cost as much as $3 million euros to lease a Factory MotoGP bike. I think the number is much lower, but will use it for arguments sake. The Pramac and Groupo Hernando people apparently paid less for a Desmo than they would've for an Aprilia.
The factory Ducati team has about 23 people working for them (not including Casey & Nicky).
8 of those people would be redundant if Yamaha or HRC were to sign Lorenzo to his own team. So we are looking at the cost of 15 people over 17/18 races (12/13 euro, 5 fly away). At $2k/person for fly aways and $1k for home races, transport and lodging costs would be well under $500k. Euro hospitality (vans, scooters, trailers) probably has a fixed cost of under $1mm.
Assuming everyone makes $100k, salaries would be $1.5mm
So an oppulent top notch team could be run for $6 million/yr as a startup. Title sponsorship is generally $20mm/yr for 2 riders over 2 years. Assuming Telefonica gave Lorenzo got $10mm, he'd make more than what Yamaha is offering. And my estimates are conservative. He could probably save a million and have a team to call his own.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 20 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention being out from under the foot of Rossi.
True, but what better way to prove urself than to beat rossi on the same machinery? It's something thats never been done since he moved to 500cc ( I think capirossi beat him on the aprilia in 1998)
True, but what better way to prove urself than to beat rossi on the same machinery? It's something thats never been done since he moved to 500cc ( I think capirossi beat him on the aprilia in 1998)
Pedrosa and Jorge in one and the same team?
can´t wait to see the wall between the bike and the riders
most likely a extra strong wall
can´t wait to see the wall between the bike and the riders
most likely a extra strong wall
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nomad @ Jul 20 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Lorenzo moves to Honda next year because they are willing to pay him his 5mil, although the Yamaha is clearly the best bike, then <span style="font-family:Arial BlackI will lose all respect for the guy because all he will prove to everyone is that he is only interested in money.
unlike rossi aeee....
unlike rossi aeee....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Jul 21 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>most likely a extra strong wall
Strong yes, but not particularly tall
Strong yes, but not particularly tall
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 21 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unlike rossi aeee....
Yeah, that's why he went to Yamaha, because of the money. Had nothing to do with proving to Honda that it was him and not the bike
Yeah, that's why he went to Yamaha, because of the money. Had nothing to do with proving to Honda that it was him and not the bike
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nomad @ Jul 21 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, that's why he went to Yamaha, because of the money. Had nothing to do with proving to Honda that it was him and not the bike
Do you believe that VR went to Yamaha for less money than he could have earnt on the Honday?
I am prepared to make the statement that VR has moved to no manufacturer nor signed any contract that did not involve an increase in his remuneration package. He did this not because he was 'chasing money' but because he had proved himself worthy of a higher salary by sheer virtue of his results being consistently high.
Yes the story is that Rossi moved to Yamaha to 'show Honda that it was the rider and not the bike;, we all have heard, read and know that to be one of the motivations. But do you believe that he went to Yamaha on the same money as he was at Honda because I frimly believ that he would have received a higher wage/package at Yamaha then he did at Honda.
So, whay cannot Lorenzo do the same?
Lorenzo has every right to demand a high wage as he is currently the second best rider in the field (according to the WC table). He could arguably lay claim to being able to challenge and push Rossi and therefore has a recognised benchmark for performance by which he can be easily measured. But Yamaha do not want to pay him what he is worth (in JL's eyes and probably others) although I suspect there is an element of 'can' they afford him given they have Rossi.
So JL is testing the market and rumours say that he is worth $5million to Honda. Should he go it does not make it all about the money as the Honda is a good well rounded package, a proven race winner and capable of consistent high result.
Now place yourself in JL's shoes. He is the clear #2 in a strong team and will never be the #1 whilst Rossi is around. He has been in this position for 2 years and has the ambition, talent and drive to be greater so why wait 4 or 5 years for VR to move on as afterall, VR is showing no signs of going anywhere. So instead JL is open to market offers and should take what he can provided that it allows him to remain a title threat and personally I suspect that the Honda will do this.
In essence, for me at least it is no different to when VR went to Yamaha. He left for reasons (in VR case to show Honda, in JL's case to be a team #1) and left for a likely salary increase. Just as you would leave you place of employment for better opportunities so can riders.
IMO JL is not chasing money but opportunity.
Garry
Do you believe that VR went to Yamaha for less money than he could have earnt on the Honday?
I am prepared to make the statement that VR has moved to no manufacturer nor signed any contract that did not involve an increase in his remuneration package. He did this not because he was 'chasing money' but because he had proved himself worthy of a higher salary by sheer virtue of his results being consistently high.
Yes the story is that Rossi moved to Yamaha to 'show Honda that it was the rider and not the bike;, we all have heard, read and know that to be one of the motivations. But do you believe that he went to Yamaha on the same money as he was at Honda because I frimly believ that he would have received a higher wage/package at Yamaha then he did at Honda.
So, whay cannot Lorenzo do the same?
Lorenzo has every right to demand a high wage as he is currently the second best rider in the field (according to the WC table). He could arguably lay claim to being able to challenge and push Rossi and therefore has a recognised benchmark for performance by which he can be easily measured. But Yamaha do not want to pay him what he is worth (in JL's eyes and probably others) although I suspect there is an element of 'can' they afford him given they have Rossi.
So JL is testing the market and rumours say that he is worth $5million to Honda. Should he go it does not make it all about the money as the Honda is a good well rounded package, a proven race winner and capable of consistent high result.
Now place yourself in JL's shoes. He is the clear #2 in a strong team and will never be the #1 whilst Rossi is around. He has been in this position for 2 years and has the ambition, talent and drive to be greater so why wait 4 or 5 years for VR to move on as afterall, VR is showing no signs of going anywhere. So instead JL is open to market offers and should take what he can provided that it allows him to remain a title threat and personally I suspect that the Honda will do this.
In essence, for me at least it is no different to when VR went to Yamaha. He left for reasons (in VR case to show Honda, in JL's case to be a team #1) and left for a likely salary increase. Just as you would leave you place of employment for better opportunities so can riders.
IMO JL is not chasing money but opportunity.
Garry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 21 2009, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you believe that VR went to Yamaha for less money than he could have earnt on the Honday?
I am prepared to make the statement that VR has moved to no manufacturer nor signed any contract that did not involve an increase in his remuneration package.
Thats were your wrong mate. aprillia offered him huge money to stay on 250's , a lot more than honda offered but he chose to go to honda 500 and be mentored by mick doohan instead.
I am prepared to make the statement that VR has moved to no manufacturer nor signed any contract that did not involve an increase in his remuneration package.
Thats were your wrong mate. aprillia offered him huge money to stay on 250's , a lot more than honda offered but he chose to go to honda 500 and be mentored by mick doohan instead.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 21 2009, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats were your wrong mate. aprillia offered him huge money to stay on 250's , a lot more than honda offered but he chose to go to honda 500 and be mentored by mick doohan instead.
My bad, I meant and should have stated in MotoGP/500 but yes, many a rider will jump up categories for less money (but then I do think you know what I mean ya smug cricket fan
)
Gaz
My bad, I meant and should have stated in MotoGP/500 but yes, many a rider will jump up categories for less money (but then I do think you know what I mean ya smug cricket fan
Gaz
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 22 2009, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My bad, I meant and should have stated in MotoGP/500 but yes, many a rider will jump up categories for less money (but then I do think you know what I mean ya smug cricket fan
)
Gaz
couldn't resist mate, and i hate cricket, just thought id punk SoD for fun
Gaz
Mind games started from Rossi??
Interviews with JLo and JT at BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lqn13
Interviews with JLo and JT at BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lqn13
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Jul 22 2009, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mind games started from Rossi??
Interviews with JLo and JT at BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lqn13
120 minutes?! wtf
can't you just give us a summary of what was discussed in the interview? please
Interviews with JLo and JT at BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lqn13
120 minutes?! wtf
can't you just give us a summary of what was discussed in the interview? please
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 22 2009, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>120 minutes?! wtf
can't you just give us a summary of what was discussed in the interview? please
thats what i thought... got to go thru the news 1st i guess.
can't you just give us a summary of what was discussed in the interview? please
