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C'mon. That's a figure of speech referring to the classification -- not a comment on the behavior of the bike (btw, to see if it was wobbling or not, if you have eyes, just check the vids).
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C'mon. That's a figure of speech referring to the classification -- not a comment on the behavior of the bike (btw, to see if it was wobbling or not, if you have eyes, just check the vids).
C'mon, you've gotta admit it was a little bit funny, I mean, the exact same words!
I do get what you're saying, to be serious. But you have to admit that if Rossi was going to be "wobbling around" he would have had to be doing something a lot closer to the limit of the bike. As Kropotkin alluded to on his site (if you read it?), you've got to be pushing the limits on the Ducati (the sound barrier) before all hell seems to break loose. I don't think he even got close, judging by the times. I honestly think that Hayden's info, if they cared to take it seriously, would be much more useful than anything Rossi has provided.
And I still maintain that Burgess stuck his foot in his mouth when he alleged that he could fix some Ducati problem in 80 seconds.
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What jumps out when i see this list, is the names that are NOT on it. There is no Stoner, Lorenzo, or Pedrosa. This time around will be much tougher than 2004
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Yup I see what you mean. But this is the 800 so this shouldn't be compared to the 990. Plus I dont think the smaller guys would have had any easier. Let's see once the big bikes come back around. Though pedrosa was mighty fast on it.
I am no technical expert on the bikes and to be honest a mere spectator of the sport..and am just wondering if Rossi actually meant to ask for some "feel/feedback/intelligence" from the bike's control system to push harder, than the total lack of feel at the moment that causes him to exert only a meagre fraction of his effort/talent, unexplored bike potential and thus poor lap times. I do not think he needs any drastic changes in the physics/dynamics of the machine. If so, I'd consider this the toughest component at hand for the engineers, mechanics and electronic settings alike. I could be wrong in my guess here, but if Rossi is asking for only more intelligence besides retaining all the strengths of the Ducati, sorting the whole thing out appears be quite herculean a task to achieve in just a few months than Yamaha-izing the bike by providing better handling/flexibility. I wish he and the team succeeds against the odds, but it is very hard to judge what fixes he really has asked for unless we compared them to Melandri's and Hayden's first ever feedback on the so-called brutal machine. Had the Melandri-Ducati relationship not turned into the nightmare that the paddock dreads of, we'd not be too worried about this test's results really. We need to compare Melandri's feedback with Rossi's. From what I've read of Rossi's style of development, he thinks deep and does not fall prey to any shallow tinkering or trial-and-error methods of immediate fixes.
Also, I think the Ducati is an engineer's dream and a "raw" rider's paradise. It could just be needing some Yamaha-izing in ideology to suit Rossi's mental framework of being both a racer and engineer. Rossi is no match to the raw riding skills that Stoner and Randy Puniet exhibit and in retrospect signing him on may not have been the best idea for Ducati and Rossi alike. I however assume that they have thought this through to every nitty picky detail over the past few years and have a plan in place to make the relationship successful. Personally though, I find a racer honing his engineering skills more suited to the sport in general, and albeit Stoner/RdP being hugely talented may not bag the best results for the long term.. qualifying glory and a few pulverizing race wins is the best the latter can achieve all subservient to the machine.
Also, I think the Ducati is an engineer's dream and a "raw" rider's paradise. It could just be needing some Yamaha-izing in ideology to suit Rossi's mental framework of being both a racer and engineer. Rossi is no match to the raw riding skills that Stoner and Randy Puniet exhibit and in retrospect signing him on may not have been the best idea for Ducati and Rossi alike. I however assume that they have thought this through to every nitty picky detail over the past few years and have a plan in place to make the relationship successful. Personally though, I find a racer honing his engineering skills more suited to the sport in general, and albeit Stoner/RdP being hugely talented may not bag the best results for the long term.. qualifying glory and a few pulverizing race wins is the best the latter can achieve all subservient to the machine.
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Not sure if it was "foot in mouth" or the kind of statement you wouldmake whilst in the midst of negotiations with a new employer
Stoner must be loving life right now, he is without a doubt looking like a genius. Though I am not 100% convinced, putting Rossi aside (to much unknowns here) we all know Lorenzo is so consistent and fast that it will be hard for anybody to beat him next year. Lorenzo has matured and now is almost unfazed by the pressure Rossi has put on him, he fought tooth and nail with Rossi, never letting anything get into his head. Now this IMO is Stoner's weakest point, he doesn't like to battle much, he makes mistakes under pressure, and therefore I am not so sure he can take the title with Honda right away. I think if Stoner can run away and demoralize everybody right away, without getting into mind games, he could do a repeat of 2007, though with the caliber of Lorenzo, I find this highly unlikely. Pedrosa is even more "fragile", and well it's to early to talk about Rossi. Spies is ice cold, if he can match the pace of Lorenzo, he is a fighter and will bring it in 2011. Though I do really hope Rossi gets everything together, since to much is at stake for him to be mid-pack by the end of the upcoming season... Cannot wait for the next test! (by the way I love reading this forum!)
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This is an interesting opinion. I have heard it regurgitated many times now but it is rarely if ever backed up by first hand knowledge or any other type of evidence. I would be really interested to hear the events and or conversations you have had with Stoner that you have used to form this opinion. Having researched his background, upbringing and the road he has travelled to get where he is I fail to see how anyone with any type of mental weakness would have been able to walk that road and achieve what he has.
Nice post as I like it when someone submits a post which have clearly required some brain power however I do not necessarily agree with it on 2 points.
1. The electronics if he was using Stoners settings are probably the least invasive of any bike on the grid. Stoners comments on the settings on the Honda confirm this as he spent a lot of time winding them back so he could get a connection between the throttle and the rear wheel. The electronics on the Ducati may not have been set how Rossi likes them but I don't think feel would have been too much of a problem.
2. From all reports it is the physics and the characteristics of the Ducati that are the problem. For the past 12mths the front end of the bike has been wrong. A fact highlighted by the large number of front end losses that all Ducati riders have faced. This is also the feedback from Rossi.
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Ducati is going to redesign the bike around the forks the same way Yamaha did, then all will be good. I think that this was the best possible time for Ducati to get a hold of Vale as they'll have him and JB to steer the development of the their last 800 bike and the 1000 for 2012. I know everyone is excited about all the aliens but I still haven't given up on my boy Nicky and I can't wait to see him on a bike that will be more competitive. He did a damn good job considering he's been riding a bike with so many problems.
back when motogp first started riding in laguna seca again (2005?) rossi was struggling in the practice time sheets and colin edwards said something interesting. he said something to the effect that come race time, rossi will be there. the times not mattering much during practice, rossi will find a way to be competitive AT LEAST. exactly how i feel about him on the ducati. say what you will, rossi's undeniably a great rider and great rider's will find a way to fight for the podium.
i think people are so quick to harp on his "failures" and totally ignore what the man is capable of. there are boppers but there are certainly haters on these boards.
i think people are so quick to harp on his "failures" and totally ignore what the man is capable of. there are boppers but there are certainly haters on these boards.
Your memory is tainted with wet dreams of Stoner, therefore hindering all possible function. This is why when morons like yourself detract from the greatest chief mechanic of all time, and can't even research the quote for accuracy, it's a source of great amusement
the only thing we know at present is that no one knows anything, Yamahas gag order prevented this. Though all of these priceless posts will be great ammunition when reality sets in next year, just as the same .... was being sprouted this time last year about Stoner, and myself and others were being riducled for backing Jorge to be the stronger challenger, interestingly enough from the same clowns who are now saying Jorge is the best of all time.
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the same .... was being sprouted this time last year about Stoner, and myself and others were being riducled for backing Jorge to be the stronger challenger, interestingly enough from the same clowns who are now saying Jorge is the best of all time.
That should be quite traceable then ........ do show us
the electronics that Stoners uses are 'probably' the least invasive of the grid
And where is the feedback from Rossi on the Ducati? He's gagged.
Wild opinions
Cause they are 'SOOOOOOO' much better.
Rossi was nearly last, in a field which included Crutchlow on debut. Is doesn't say much at all at present, I can literally smell your hope for another Rossi downfall from across the pacific!!
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Show us a report showing that is the case Talpon.
You've lost it totally Talp
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What is interesting to consider is Randy De Puniet. I haven't really seen his performance mentioned. He has had to make a similar move to Rossi, yet was quite a bit faster, 8th fastest overall I think. Maybe he has adapted the Ducati more quickly? I know he may well have less to lose because he isn't going under the knife in the next couple of weeks, but I still think it should be mentioned.
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Your memory is tainted with wet dreams of Stoner, therefore hindering all possible function. This is why when morons like yourself detract from the greatest chief mechanic of all time, and can't even research the quote for accuracy, it's a source of great amusement
the only thing we know at present is that no one knows anything, Yamahas gag order prevented this. Though all of these priceless posts will be great ammunition when reality sets in next year, just as the same .... was being sprouted this time last year about Stoner, and myself and others were being riducled for backing Jorge to be the stronger challenger, interestingly enough from the same clowns who are now saying Jorge is the best of all time.
Get a grip, man. My post had nothing to do with Stoner. Can you understand that? Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. If you found some kind of amusement from reading my post, I'm happy for you - I've always thought it best that children should have some occupation.
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Yes I agree, but here's something scary for Randy:
Lets say he is simillar to Stoner and can ride a pretty "rough" machine well.
Along comes Rossi and JB and make a tamer machine ....... lets hope for Randy he can veto updates that don't work for him.
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