Valencia Tests.

I think that Rossi has the best chances in 2011! In 2012 he will be playing with them



Becouse of the rivaly inside the Honda and Yamaha teams... we will see more crashes next year... it will be more intense for sure.... 2 or even 3 fast guys in one team is 2 risky (first rule: You need to beat the guy on the same bike...all in)



I think that Stoner is a freak and he needed that lap to prove what ppl were saying... but he will never win so "easly" as in 2007. He will bin it 2 much in 2011 im affraid but still be in the fight for first at the end.



Lorenzo's ego is gona hurt when he will be beaten by Spies (i hope soon), crashes follows...



Spies is the man Good bike, no big pressure, lots of motivation, lots of talent and brain



Pedrosa will be flying also but it depends who will crash first...



IT WILL BE VERY INTENSE... i hope for the whole season.



Ah yes Vale

I think that he is expirienced enough and smart enough that he made the perfect testing in all aspects.



I alway's try to think, what if i were him ...i see it perfect



Im a positive thinker also and a big fan of Vale and also of motogp I just dont like the schumachers

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Jumkie said:

We should also consider their native languages. I don't think Stoner speaks Italian very well and I don't think Prezi's childhood language was English. A bit lost in translation perhaps, something that when you speak the same language can have a whole new meaning to nuance.

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Yes,exactly.I for one have quite some trouble expressing myself on this board sometimes as English isn't my native language.I even had a girlfriend that didn't know Swedish so we talked English,and i couldn't express half of what i wanted to say to her.

So i can understand Preziosi is happy to have an Italian onboard.The same goes for Capirossi by the way.

Jumkie said:

J4rno, you've managed to sound semi-sane in this thread, don't mess that up now. The dynamic between Stoner and the engineering department at Ducati will be vastly different then Rossi. According to you the engineers have only gone on data because Casey could not voice his needs clearly. Of course that would fly in the face of what we know about Stoner, and that is a man who is a straight no ........ talker. I think the difference is, that now the engineers will listen to what Rossi says as if God himself were saying it.



As I said above, the Ducati had issues, but just because our friend News questions Casey's development skills base on Rossi's ability to adapt to it is a false premise. Sure the Ducati has issues, but its not correct to assign it as Stoner's fault. Now when the season starts and they improve that Ducati, you can bet your bottom dollar its because the engineering department and the whole of Italy decided their contract rider knows best. Something I very much doubt was happening before.



The thought occurred to me today that seeing that the screamer is not user friendly for Rossi makes Stoner's title all that more amazing to me.

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Semi-sane is you, my friend -- your objectivity stops where your preferences begin, apparently.

Everybody at Ducati knows the good and bad of Stoner, and the bad is not about his 'emotional outbursts' side. It's about what I mentioned there. He is of great help to engineers because he's always fast anyway, anyhow, from the start. So his data are really useful. But the help he can give ends there.

I say this as a fan of Stoner -- he's in my favorite riders list since the beginning (no "ship jumping" here, Bunyip ) and those who have followed this forum know how I always stood for him throughout his difficulties. He's such a talent. But I know that's the facts.

Anders GUZZI said:

Yes,exactly.I for one have quite some trouble expressing myself on this board sometimes as English isn't my native language.I even had a girlfriend that didn't know Swedish so we talked English,and i couldn't express half of what i wanted to her.

So i can understand Preziosi is happy to have an Italian onboard.The same goes for Capirossi by the way.

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In the Ducati garage they are sticking to English even now, and they are not going to change that work habit. Just for your information.

Yamaha has no title sponsor yet for 2011. Lorenzo and Spies could be running in corporate blue next season



Wall staying at Yamaha between Spies and Lorenzo. Ben said tonight

I'm loving this thread. All you guys talking so much .... about Rossi and saying things like he can't ride the bike are really not paying attention to what the test for vr was really about.

You can see he wasn't pushing that hard on the vids. Not enough confidence yet to push for lap times. Plus the man is going under the knive soon so why for a crash? Hayden was 5 tenths from the front, if you suckers think Rossi can't ride faster then Hayden given a few more goes on the bike then you'll gonna hate what happens next? This thread has brought all the haters out. Stoner was gonna be fast cause that's just what he does and the Honda is considered an even better bike then the duc so stoner should be crazy to watch next year. But Rossi will slowly adapt and when he feels better and decides to push for times you'll see the times drop guaranteed.

J4rn0 said:

Semi-sane is you, my friend -- your objectivity stops where your preferences begin, apparently.

Everybody at Ducati knows the good and bad of Stoner, and the bad is not about his 'emotional outbursts' side. It's about what I mentioned there. He is of great help to engineers because he's always fast anyway, anyhow, from the start. So his data are really useful. But the help he can give ends there.

I say this as a fan of Stoner -- he's in my favorite riders list since the beginning (no "ship jumping" here, Bunyip

) and those who have followed this forum know how I always stood for him throughout his difficulties. He's such a talent. But I know that's the facts.

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Lets be fair here J4rn0

Stoner was saying for the whole year the front end has big issues.

The solution he got from his team was to go back to last years parts. In any language, going back to last years forks is not called development it's called giving up.

Now Rossi gets on the bike for 2 days & says the bike has front end issues and all of a sudden Ducati are prepared to move heaven & earth to get it sorted.

I remember it well when Casey said the bike he began the season with was usually almost identical to the one he ended with. They did not put much into development.

How can you fix a bikes problems without development? Was he supposed to make the front forks & parts himself?

spies wont win a race next year..... who wanna bet?

J4rn0 said:

In the Ducati garage they are sticking to English even now, and they are not going to change that work habit. Just for your information.

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Yes,the problemsolving and what ever going on in the pit along with the crew,they might be speaking English as everyone in his garage isn't Italian,but if Rossi needs to be really specific to Preziosi he can use Italian.

Besides, i don't think Preziosi and Rossi will be speaking English over the phone or when talking in the several meetings i'm sure they will have just the two of them.

Anders GUZZI said:

Yes,the problemsolving and what ever going on in the pit along with the crew,they might be speaking English as everyone in his garage isn't Italian,but if Rossi needs to be really specific to Preziosi he can use Italian.

Besides, i don't think Preziosi and Rossi will be speaking English over the phone or when talking in the several meetings i'm sure they will have just the two of them.

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That's for sure. But don't make of the language a problem it isn't. The kind of communication needed for this kind of work is different from love or poetry -- it's quite straightforward and btw most of the technical terms used are English anyway. Note also how Stoner took his Italian crew over with him -- familiarity and knowing each other well is a more important factor in this kind of communication than language.

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Frizzle said:

Lets be fair here J4rn0

Stoner was saying for the whole year the front end has big issues.

The solution he got from his team was to go back to last years parts. In any language, going back to last years forks is not called development it's called giving up.

Now Rossi gets on the bike for 2 days & says the bike has front end issues and all of a sudden Ducati are prepared to move heaven & earth to get it sorted.

I remember it well when Casey said the bike he began the season with was usually almost identical to the one he ended with. They did not put much into development.

How can you fix a bikes problems without development? Was he supposed to make the front forks & parts himself?

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Good point. The difference is that Stoner was saying "the front end does not give me enough confidence", then was fast anyway so the engineers did not really know what to make of it, or even if it was for real or not considering Hayden was saying different things (besides, this year they knew since April that Stoner was leaving! They may have decided to wait before turning the bike upside down in ways that might not have suited their next rider).



Rossi, on the other hand, has felt it was better not to push at all with a front end like that; him and Burgess have not only stated the problem, but also proposed possible solutions to it like revising the stiffness and the weight ratio (which involve some major changes to the front end, nothing that could be attempted during a test). And of course VR & JB's suggestions do carry a lot of weight. So there you have it.

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Good point. The difference is that Stoner was saying "the front end does not give me enough confidence", then was fast anyway so the engineers did not really know what to make of it, or even if it was for real or not considering Hayden was saying different things (besides, this year they knew since April that Stoner was leaving! They may have decided to wait before turning the bike upside down in ways that might not have suited their next rider).



Rossi, on the other hand, has felt it was better not to push at all with a front end like that; him and Burgess have not only stated the problem, but also proposed possible solutions to it like revising the stiffness and the weight ratio (which involve some major changes to the front end, nothing that could be attempted during a test). And of course VR & JB's suggestions do carry a lot of weight. So there you have it.

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I agree with you - BUT.

I think if they had paid more attention to the front end this season, then the problems VR & JB face would be substantially less.

notabikerther4useless said:

God I would love this!



Hitler: "80 seconds??!! 80 ....... seconds that dumkopf Aussie promised me!!"

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Let us not misquote Burgess. He said he would fix the wobble problem you see in some satellite Ducatis in 80 seconds -- he didn't say he would solve all of the Duck's problems in 80 seconds. Or even in 80 hours.

Tekniqs said:

any chance you can ask the photographer to post high resolution versions of those pictures? those are REALLY amazing



anyone have times for rossi's first test on the yamaha back in 2004 for comparisons sake?

stoner's amazing lol. dude maximizes any bike he's on. with that said, shouldn't he run away with the championship this year? he's now riding the best bike on the grid (well maybe yamaha is stil best).





anyone here follow alex's twitter?

here's one of his latest tweets regarding the tests

"H guys. I'm compleatly smashed, I have not worked that hard @ a test for a few years. Accomplished a lot. Result was crap but not representative of what we have learnt. The poor old rider was compleatly stuffed also. Big part of the time was just the riders body letting him down. But we kept lapping & testing. End result is the engineers have a long 2 do list courtesy of us! But they r the best guys. Its going 2 be fun. At yamaha I guess in the end I felt like we just were tuning. At Ducati I feel we are really working. Its going 2 be great 2 see the end result. May the force be with us"



take it how you want it =)



but like jumkie said...ducati will make the bike work for rossi one way or the other...a lot of people's reputation is riding on this project

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Nice quote from Briggs. Yes, a partial redesign of the bike is now on the table and that will take time. No doubt very exciting for the people involved.

Gigi Soldano (the photographer behind the Milagro blog) is a pro, he can't give away his hi-res pics for free I'm afraid.

Frizzle said:

I agree with you - BUT.

I think if they had paid more attention to the front end this season, then the problems VR & JB face would be substantially less.

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You are right, some room for regret there. But for the reason I said, they didn't and one can kind of understand them.

J4rn0 said:

Let us not misquote Burgess. He said he would fix the wobble problem you see in some satellite Ducatis in 80 seconds -- he didn't say he would solve all of the Duck's problems in 80 seconds. Or even in 80 hours.

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Taking things out of context...........Hmmmm, these are Stoner Boppers your dealing with



In that same interview Burgess also said that testing a bike with an injured rider doesn't really solve too much, and that the test in Qatar with his rider fully fit will determine much more.......



Detraction's on JB from this test, and indeed ever, are- well, mindless.



If anyone who has suggested that JB should 'eat his words' can prove exactly what his, the teams and Rossi's motives for this test were, then outrageous statements from armchair critics are very, very stupid. This was a test, not a race.....



Of course his times were slow, way too slow, over a second behind Nicky, Does anybody really think that VR is going to remain a second behind Nicky and 1.6 seconds down on the leaders? From watching the video again I have to agree with J4rno, VR didn't look to be pushing too hard, and the thing looked pretty composed.



Funny how we only hear from certain folk when Stoner wins something, and these days, with such slim pickings, even a test is enough.............









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