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Stoner's health issues

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SprogTheDog @ Jul 15 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I could have googled it too. I get the problem.
If it was me, i'd be in bed. But im not a racer. They all know the score. If they are out, they dont score points. Stoner cant and wouldnt let that happen. So lets not make out he should get a round of applause from the paddock. At one time or another, all of them have ridden with serious injuries. Its the nature of the sport.


As an FYI - I don't use google but do read.

That said, you are 100% correct in that he would not want to miss a race in this championship whilst he still has a definite chance. That and as he showed last year when he needed the surgary and could not mathematically win the WC, he still competed. The guy does not like missing races, but then, none of these guys do.




Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SprogTheDog @ Jul 15 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im not disputing his riding ability. Im just saying that he knows dam well if he dosent race, his championship is over.

I think that goes without saying, were only at half way point and anyone one of them at any point could put themselves out for a race or two which would play nicely into Caseys hand.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SprogTheDog @ Jul 15 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I could have googled it too. I get the problem.
If it was me, i'd be in bed. But im not a racer. They all know the score. If they are out, they dont score points. Stoner cant and wouldnt let that happen. So lets not make out he should get a round of applause from the paddock. At one time or another, all of them have ridden with serious injuries. Its the nature of the sport.


I dont think Casey is looking for any kind of specail praise because of his condition. I'm just glad hes going to be racing. As Wiggle said he and Lorenzo are in the same breed as Doohan and Sheene. As long as they can hang onto the bike they will ride. All these guys are tuff motherfuckers and I'm in awe of their resilience and determination
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 15 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As an FYI - I don't use google but do read.

That said, you are 100% correct in that he would not want to miss a race in this championship whilst he still has a definite chance. That and as he showed last year when he needed the surgary and could not mathematically win the WC, he still competed. The guy does not like missing races, but then, none of these guys do.




Garry
Glad I got my point accross. Ive got nothing but admiration for all the racers, stoner included. Anyone who can ride a bike like they do deserves respect in my opinion.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 15 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>because sometimes, articles just include what is most pressing or most relevant to the event (i.e. race day)...hence, they just tell us that stoner is having cramps on race day or race weekend, they don't have to report what happens to stoner every single day.

well, it wassn't constant for me too...just when i'm really stressed or when i accidentally taken in something that increases the acidic level of my stomach...but no, it wasn't constant


i got you... i guess when the time comes to get on the bike just makes things worse for him, it doesnt matter anyway as long as they can sort him out.
we havent got that many riders up front so the sooner they sort it out the sooner we will have more action at the front.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 15 2009, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^ lmfao

ok dr


well atleast i make an effort to contribute... i thought the doctor thing would get you excited as you love playing doctors and ladymen with your friends...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 15 2009, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jaz, my understanbding from what I read is that these are the diagnosed illnesses/symptoms.

The actual cause of these has not been identified as yet and it is possible that yes, anxiety and/or stress would contribute to making these illnesses appear on or around raceday. But, that does not mean that they are not present 24x7, just that they rear their heads at the critical times.

But I agree, there is an underlying issue at hand that will likely be identified but probably never released to the public (and really, nor should it as it is private)





Garry

very true lets just hope they cant atleast sort him out abit for this weekend as i want to see some racing
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 15 2009, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In all seriousness I think you underestimate the effects of the problem.

Have you ever ridden tired or fatigued?

If so, what happens is you make mistakes and no matter what you try or how hard you concentrate, it gets worse. The mistakes become more frequent and inccrease in magnitude and eventually you make a big mistake which, with luck you will walk away from thinking WTF.

Now, get on a race bike where the heat is channelled at the rider and do the exact same against the best racers in the world for 45 or so minutes straight. Lap after lap, time after time concentrate hard enough to hit that same part of the track each and every lap, the same apex and get your braking markers correct, every lap.

It is very very difficult and debillitating to a fully fit racer, never mind one who has an illness that throws into the mix low Red Blood Cells which are feeding less oxygen to the systems than normal as without the oxygen at the right levels these systems could theoretically start to shut down. Now, throw in the possibility of stomach cramps which can be so severe that you may become nauseous and feel the need to throw up or dry retch.

Physical ailments like those described by Stoner and the doctors are not minor ailments as they can be just as severe as any broken bone and at times could be far worse. One can get a painkilling injection for a sore wrist, shoulder, hip or muclular injury, but there is no magic needle for fatigue or nausea.

None of this makes him for me any special in terms of what he is going through, but nor should it be underestimated as less than the injuries and efforts of Pedrosa and Lorenzo this year.





Gaz

That's why I don't buy it Gaz... And I don't know, but the illnesses never seem to stop, just keep appearing one over another!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 15 2009, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's why I don't buy it Gaz... And I don't know, but the illnesses never seem to stop, just keep appearing one over another!
Oh my good friend, why "buy" anything then V? Why "buy" that these guys get hurt (any of them). Why "buy" any claim of injury. Even the ones backed up by xrays of broken bones, hell they can b fake too.

Its amazing that anybody would pick & choose what claims of injury or illness by riders. I cant remember any other time that such a group of people have not "believed" any health issue of any rider EXCEPT Stoner's;all of which are rather suspiciously from one particular fan base.

So V, this is what I dont buy: I dont "buy" u guys do NOT "believe" Stoner has an illness, i think u guys DO "believe" it. Therefore i chalk it up ALL to banter.

I know u catalog everthing, so go back and look at Stoner's face completion 3 races ago during post race interview. Tell me that 'physical' manifestation of something dire wrong was fake. Like i said before, had Rossi looked like that after a race, we would be errecting a monument to him.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2009, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know u catalog everthing, so go back and look at Stoner's face completion 3 races ago during post race interview. Tell me that 'physical' manifestation of something dire wrong was fake. Like i said before, had Rossi looked like that after a race, we would be errecting a monument to him.
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And quite rightly so!
Not that Im biased at all, obviously.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2009, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh my good friend, why "buy" anything then V? Why "buy" that these guys get hurt (any of them). Why "buy" any claim of injury. Even the ones backed up by xrays of broken bones, hell they can b fake too.

Its amazing that anybody would pick & choose what claims of injury or illness by riders. I cant remember any other time that such a group of people have not "believed" any health issue of any rider EXCEPT Stoner's;all of which are rather suspiciously from one particular fan base.

So V, this is what I dont buy: I dont "buy" u guys do NOT "believe" Stoner has an illness, i think u guys DO "believe" it. Therefore i chalk it up ALL to banter.

I know u catalog everthing, so go back and look at Stoner's face completion 3 races ago during post race interview. Tell me that 'physical' manifestation of something dire wrong was fake. Like i said before, had Rossi looked like that after a race, we would be errecting a monument to him.
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Mayhaps you've identified a new 21st Century mental illness. Y'know . . . like Holocaust Denial - only its Stoner Denial. Next they'll be telling everyone that he didn't really win the 2007 championship, and how all the footage was faked on back lot in Hollywood.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 15 2009, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh my good friend, why "buy" anything then V? Why "buy" that these guys get hurt (any of them). Why "buy" any claim of injury. Even the ones backed up by xrays of broken bones, hell they can b fake too.

Its amazing that anybody would pick & choose what claims of injury or illness by riders. I cant remember any other time that such a group of people have not "believed" any health issue of any rider EXCEPT Stoner's;all of which are rather suspiciously from one particular fan base.

So V, this is what I dont buy: I dont "buy" u guys do NOT "believe" Stoner has an illness, i think u guys DO "believe" it. Therefore i chalk it up ALL to banter.

I know u catalog everthing, so go back and look at Stoner's face completion 3 races ago during post race interview. Tell me that 'physical' manifestation of something dire wrong was fake. Like i said before, had Rossi looked like that after a race, we would be errecting a monument to him.
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As I said my dear friend Jumks… the illnesses “just keep appearing one over another”… There have been 3 or 4 different ones, and this apart from fall induces injuries. They get worst on race day. No medicals can diagnose them pin pointing. On top of it, no human on earth could ride to milliseconds precision feeling badly. So that ‘mi buen amigo’ is why I think it’s more a mental issue that affects Stoners health, than a physical problem that doctors do not detect.
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I was recalling bits from here and there: anemia, anxiety, gastritis, probable ulcer, the flu, arm pump, the wrist… Non Illnesses that showed during his ‘crashing in and out the track’ days at Honda, or his Ducati/Brigestone domination days!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 16 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was recalling bits from here and there: anemia, anxiety, gastritis, probable ulcer, the flu, arm pump, the wrist… Non Illnesses that showed during his ‘crashing in and out the track’ days at Honda, or his Ducati/Brigestone domination days!
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Ah, multiple health issues are so rare, that it never happens, eh? Oh, so when you get an illness its there forever?
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Excuse me amigo, I have a declaration to make: Rossi has never been sick or ill or injured, if he ever claimed to be, it was a bold face lie!!! Rossi has never been on the best bike, ever; that includes this year. Every Rossi win has been with complete health and inferior machinery during the entire history of his career. All and any medical science is absolute, and only ceases to exist in regards to Casey Stoner. Only medical issues will be believed if they pass the following test: 1. Bleeding profusely and seen by at least 10 independent onlookers, 2. All injury or illness must be backed up by some imaging medium such as X-rays, MRIs, CAT scans, etc. Mere testimony by a medical doctor backed up by lab test (especially those who specialize in high profile athletes and professional riders) will not be acceptable. 3. All and any medical issues will be believed for any other human with the exception of Casey Stoner. Stoner has done nothing in his career unless it was on superior tires, machines, TC, or any other seen or unseen element that unfairly assisted his progress. Casey Stoner lies about health issues because doing so creates some unfair advantage that will some day be discovered within the realm of the universe!





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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 16 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was recalling bits from here and there: anemia, anxiety, gastritis, probable ulcer, the flu, arm pump, the wrist… Non Illnesses that showed during his ‘crashing in and out the track’ days at Honda, or his Ducati/Brigestone domination days!
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What exactly is a "non-illness"?

As far as something being "mental" as opposed to "physical" - the two are
always intertwined. People get over stressed resulting in headache,
heart damage, stroke, ulcers etc. Many illnesses are engendered psychosomatically
- which is not the same thing as hypochondria. Just because a guy is not
walking around with a giant cast on his leg or pins sticking out of a femur
one cannot automatically jump to the conclusion that the person's illness
is feigned. But a lot of Stoner haters do this because it's a cheap-shot
way to denigrate someone they see as a contender to Rossi's throne.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 16 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What exactly is a "non-illness"?

As far a something being "mental" as opposed to "physical" the two are
always intertwined. People get over stressed resulting in headache,
heart damage, stroke, ulcers etc. Many illnesses are engendered psychosomatically
- which is not the same thing as hypochondria. Just because a guy is not
walking around with a giant cast on his leg or pins sticking out of a femur
one cannot automatically jump to the conclusion that the person's illness
is feigned. But a lot of Stoner haters do this because it's a cheap-shot
way to denigrate someone they see as a contender to Rossi's throne.

And the really bad part is that after Laguna I thought we all shared the same level of respect for all the riders around here. Some things are at face value. Stoner, for the moment, is hampered by illness and in no way is this a good thing. Time will pass and he will regain his level. I can only hope that the level of discourse on this board can rise to the same level because the current polarization is making a mockery out of the excellence of this sport. Imagine you are a factory representative looking through the posts on this site to judge the overall level of understanding and had to report to a factory board. How would they justify spending millions on this sport? To entertain this lot? You might as well argue about the colour of bananas.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 16 2009, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And the really bad part is that after Laguna I thought we all shared the same level of respect for all the riders around here. Some things are at face value. Stoner, for the moment, is hampered by illness and in no way is this a good thing. Time will pass and he will regain his level. I can only hope that the level of discourse on this board can rise to the same level because the current polarization is making a mockery out of the excellence of this sport. Imagine you are a factory representative looking through the posts on this site to judge the overall level of understanding and had to report to a factory board. How would they justify spending millions on this sport? To entertain this lot? You might as well argue about the colour of bananas.
Get off your soap box
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 16 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just because a guy is not
walking around with a giant cast on his leg or pins sticking out of a femur
one cannot automatically jump to the conclusion that the person's illness
is feigned.

WRONG! As you can see from the many threads on the subject, many have "jumped to the conclusion." People don't need evidence and facts and testimony from reliable sources to make up their own iron clad assessments.

Geez, its slippery up here on my soapbox. I better get down.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 16 2009, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>get off yours.
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Brilliant reply...if you're 8.
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(sorry, couldn't resist)
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For a lesson in wit, see below:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jul 16 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it might be a soapbox but its a righteous soapbox....
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