Stoners attitude

I seem to remember Rossi basically conceding the title to Nicky in an interview during the '06 USGP weekend.

Also, Rossi pulled in during last year's Valencia GP, handing 2nd to Pedro. Sure, his hand was hurt at the time, but so is Casey's now!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Sep 30 2008, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I seem to remember Rossi basically conceding the title to Nicky in an interview during the '06 USGP weekend.

Also, Rossi pulled in during last year's Valencia GP, handing 2nd to Pedro. Sure, his hand was hurt at the time, but so is Casey's now!

does my memory serves me right? as i seem to remember that rossi, apart from the injury, also suffered a mechanical failure hence pedders was able to snatch the runner-up position.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 29 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>does my memory serves me right? as i seem to remember that rossi, apart from the injury, also suffered a mechanical failure hence pedders was able to snatch the runner-up position.

You may be right. If so, I stand corrected. However, his 2006 admission of defeat stands. Stoner isn't the only one who has felt defeat and shouldn't receive all the criticism.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Sep 30 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You may be right. If so, I stand corrected. However, his 2006 admission of defeat stands. Stoner isn't the only one who has felt defeat and shouldn't receive all the criticism.

Checked the archives from motogp.com, i am right.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2007/Pedrosa...+runner+up+slot

see line 6

also, i think rossi also has his share of criticisms, esp in 2006 - the first time he lost the title. however, it may seem that stoner is receiving all the criticisms as this is the current news: that he just lost the title. people may not want to go back to all the news, arguments and issues of 2006, but it doesn't mean the criticisms to rossi did not exist.

if rossi should fail to have the crown again next year (one thing that i don't wanna happen ), then expect loads of anti-rossi posts here next year, just like what casey is experiencing right now.

I think that another point about Stoner appearing rather blaze about losing the title is that all the racers do not want those that beat them to know that they are pissed off. If they do spit the dummy it means that they have not only been beaten on the track, but in their minds as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 30 2008, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its so easy to rattle your cage man. Two paragraphs and you said the exact same thing. No other poster took the stance you did. I think most are getting tired of the playground crap. Dose every thread always have to reach the same BS level?
Why couyld'nt you say "hold on a minute Stoner is not a quitter and I'll tell you why.."
No instead you got to have a soft head about it and act like a child. I remember you saying you were watching the sport back in '87 so I don't think you a kid, now why don't you quit acting like one

R1 SF
Look mabe i over react a bit sometimes, but i wont appologise for being a loyal supporter.
It ..... me when ppl wanna just lay the boots in, when they could be a little more Constructive with there points of view, thats all.
If Casey does something stupid then ill say that he has, and i do give credit where credit is due.
I spose i need a Thicker Skin hey..

In the BBC parc ferme interview after the Motegi race, Stoner said he let Rossi go past him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Sep 30 2008, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In the BBC parc ferme interview after the Motegi race, Stoner said he let Rossi go past him.
He does say that, but I didn't take it to mean Stoner let him past because he gave up, I thought it was because he was having trouble with the bike and that led to him letting Rossi past.

Judge for yourselves.

Blimey I stirred up an hornets nets didn't I!!!

Okay for the record, whilst I am a fan of Rossi I have to admit I'm never in at home to see all the races since way back when. Its only recently (from mid last year) that I've tried to watch every race on the BBC and whilst their veiws at the minute seem to favor anything Rossi does, I don't not agree with this type of broadcasting.

I respect all riders irregardless of where they are from and what they are riding.

I apologise to the Stoner fans who thought I was another (seemingly) kick em while he's down person. I clearly misinterpreted his all 'down' attitude in the lead up to the race. I'm not the type of person some of you may thing I am. I just picked up on something I thought seemed quite negative for a top class performer. Clearly I was miss lead and now in full veiw of more facts from you guys I stand corrected. And I am aware that Stoner on the times I've watched has put in some pretty fast lap times on various tracks.

I am also glad that Rossi has more riders around him to try and knock him off that perch or pedalstall. It is only good for the future of the sport when that happens.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (halfpint @ Sep 30 2008, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Blimey I stirred up an hornets nets didn't I!!!

Okay for the record, whilst I am a fan of Rossi I have to admit I'm never in at home to see all the races since way back when. Its only recently (from mid last year) that I've tried to watch every race on the BBC and whilst their veiws at the minute seem to favor anything Rossi does, I don't not agree with this type of broadcasting.

I respect all riders irregardless of where they are from and what they are riding.

I apologise to the Stoner fans[/b] who thought I was another (seemingly) kick em while he's down person. I clearly misinterpreted his all 'down' attitude in the lead up to the race. I'm not the type of person some of you may thing I am. I just picked up on something I thought seemed quite negative for a top class performer. Clearly I was miss lead and now in full veiw of more facts from you guys I stand corrected. And I am aware that Stoner on the times I've watched has put in some pretty fast lap times on various tracks.

I am also glad that Rossi has more riders around him to try and knock him off that perch or pedalstall. It is only good for the future of the sport when that happens.
I agree. I'm also a Rossi fan, but that doesn't mean I want to see him dominate every race. It's good to have riders like Casey, Dani and Jorge around. Like other people already said, Casey isn't afraid of Rossi, that's what makes him even better. He can dominate races, but he can also beat Rossi in straight battles (look at last season). Eventhough I'm extremely happy that Rossi won another title, I wish it would have been more exciting. We've seen nice battles between the two guys, but at some point it was pretty clear Rossi was gonna win, so I can understand Casey's attitude. It's not like he was giving up, he was just being realistic.

Anyway, I am looking forward to next season. Hoping to see another Rossi title
And I'm also looking forward to Casey and Nicky's partnership. Hopefully Nicky can start winning again! Because the last 2 seasons have been disappointing to say the least!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Sep 30 2008, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well as much as the Rossifans hate Stoner, or for that matter Hayden as well, you have to concede that only these guys have made Rossi step it up a notch.

Who was the benchmark Rossi had to work to for in 08? ..... and a pretty stunning benchmark it was at that, so as much as you hate Stoner ......... Rossi is only as good as he was in 08 for the sake of one rider alone

In a way I was thinking .... after years of monotony leading up to 07, it was a fantastic year:

for tyres

for bike development

for rider development

for team development

etc. etc. etc.

Stoner was a darn good influence frankly, whether you liked him or not
yeah, i agree with that. good compitition always brings out the best in rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 29 2008, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the principle thing is that Casey is not happy to lose. Well d'uh. I've certainly made the assertion before that too many riders in the field are quite content to lose to Rossi and so this is what they do.

I quote Vince Lombardi “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser”

His statements aren’t remarkably different to some of Rossi’s last year or the year before.

If you quote other sources rather than selectively nitpicking one or two sound bites (carefully selected by the media for dim non thinkers and other spoon fed idiots) you would discover that Casey is pissed about loosing BUT he praised Rossi up no end and waxed lyrical about his 8 titles and his dominance of the sport.

The terms you are looking for are inculpatory (proves your case) and exculpatory (refutes your case). It doesn’t do a lot for anyone to ignore all of this contrary (exculpatory) evidence and grasp hold of some supporting sound bite like the golden calf of ignorance holding it up for the world to see declaring the find of a new God.

It may be called attribution bias as well.

Casey said and I quote

The lap times dropped off and when Valentino came past I couldn´t keep up. He´s had an amazing season - he only made one mistake at Assen and the rest of the time he´s been on the podium, winning races. He´s a worthy champion - eight world titles show that - and I want to congratulate him for that.

That's pretty respectful. Is he supposed to grease up his botty and bend over in front of Vale?

I’d rather he had a bit of mongrel in him and was prepared to have a go rather than being a cowering pissing dog piff. Racing is competition.
Smart post from a smart poster.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 29 2008, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>then expect loads of anti-rossi posts here next year, just like what casey is experiencing right now.

SomeDamn, where did all this Rossi vs X rider .... come from?

Oh yeah, the Rossi faithful who summarily crucified Hayden as a "lucky" and "undeserving" champion. And then again with Stoner, who only won because of his superior “Bike”, “tires”, “electronics”, etc. etc.

I don't think there will much Anti-Rossi .... that isn't warranted. After-all, it was the Rossi cultic followers who invented this strategy of debate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 1 2008, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SomeDamn, where did all this Rossi vs X rider .... come from?

Oh yeah, the Rossi faithful who summarily crucified Hayden as a "lucky" and "undeserving" champion. And then again with Stoner, who only won because of his superior “Bike”, “tires”, “electronics”, etc. etc.

I don't think there will much Anti-Rossi .... that isn't warranted. After-all, it was the Rossi cultic followers who invented this strategy of debate.
shut it !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(somedamnwriter @ Sep 29 2008, 10:33 PM)
then expect loads of anti-rossi posts here next year, just like what casey is experiencing right now.
its already started jane, just look at the rossi's gay posts

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 1 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SomeDamn, where did all this Rossi vs X rider .... come from?

Oh yeah, the Rossi faithful who summarily crucified Hayden as a "lucky" and "undeserving" champion. And then again with Stoner, who only won because of his superior “Bike”, “tires”, “electronics”, etc. etc.

I don't think there will much Anti-Rossi .... that isn't warranted. After-all, it was the Rossi cultic followers who invented this strategy of debate.

i can understand why you're feeling like that. there are also rossi fans who piss me off. but i'm a rossi faithful and i hope you don't categorize me with them.

however, if it's the fans that piss you off, isn't it more warranted to get pissed with them than with rossi and start the anti-rossi posts?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 1 2008, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SomeDamn, where did all this Rossi vs X rider .... come from?

Oh yeah, the Rossi faithful who summarily crucified Hayden as a "lucky" and "undeserving" champion. And then again with Stoner, who only won because of his superior “Bike”, “tires”, “electronics”, etc. etc.

I don't think there will much Anti-Rossi .... that isn't warranted. After-all, it was the Rossi cultic followers who invented this strategy of debate.
Well look, there a lof of biased/blind Rossi fans out there. They say whatever makes Rossi looks good. If that means saying Hayden was lucky, then they will say that. If it means saying Stoner had a superior bike, then obviously they will say that. I'm a Rossi fan myself, but I think Hayden did deserve to win that year, he fought till the end, and..Rossi was the one who made the mistake in the final race. He should have won, but HE screwed up. So, Hayden deservedly won! Stoner did an amazing job last season, and of course he had a great bike, even Stevie Wonder could have seen that, but that's not the point, he didn't win just because he had a good bike, or the best bike, he won because he was GOOD enough. He didn't make any silly mistakes, and he was the deserved winner in the end.

Like Jane said, we don't always agree with what some of the Vale fans are saying. But I guess we all have the right to have our opinion, even if it doesnt always makes any sense.

[quote name='Franco Fangio' date='Oct 1 2008, 01:15 PM' post='157474']
If that means saying Hayden was lucky

Interesting bit of trivia: Bayliss led more laps than hayden in 2006.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 30 2008, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh and Babel, don’t give me that ........ that Rossi fans gave Hayden and Stoner their due. You guys are credited for starting this .... Rossi vs X Rider, in 06 and continued in 07 until you got your pacifier back in your mouth. You and a few others have lead the pack of crazy Rossi fans, and you as the “tire expert” leader were the excuse-a-week fabricator to explain away Rossi getting beat. Give me a ....... break, is there no end to the string of inconsistent double standards and lies you want to spew? I guess not.

I saw an American show last night with B. Clinton as a guest and found it more than a bit amusing that the big talk and the big media focus on the Clintons around the democrats yearly convention where not about what they done but that rather if they gave Obama enough support or not. So the talk in the show went about that exact thing and how useless that is. Instead of debating the actions they were debating the debate. it SO reminds me about the Americans around here and your useless "Give credit where credit's due" and nothing less than a thorough ... licking count as "credit".
You and your likes never accept that others may respect and congratulate someone, but not necessarily bow in submission like the rest you does. I have in the past and will in the future continue to discuss strengths’ and weakness' of riders, even Rossi. I've noticed how your "opinion of Rossi" turned around as soon as you saw where things were turning out. So go on ... licker, and join the Rossi "fans". You sure are an unknowledgeable, pitiful bunch of ... lickers. Real fans surly could do without you but I guess that’s the price you have to pay when your favorite of +10 years has become the most popular in the sport, ever.
Meanwhile I will continue to question certain aspects of the performance of the current or former champions and their equipment. So I'm sorry you don't understand that concept of individual thinking but I'm not sorry for asking the questions. You just go and a burp up your usual rubbish but any reader will see that all parts I said was wrong last year are changed this year and works. Equally the equipment strengths of the competition some of us dared pointing out last year has been reduced or disappeared. The results this year changed accordingly. Surly just a coincidence, right? :-/
It’s so nice of you to bring all this things up again. Put it in to some perspective now after Montegi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 1 2008, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its already started jane, just look at the rossi's gay posts
Didn't you know Rossi is gay? It's ok, so is Haydenfan.

I don't get why people dislike Rossi soo much. I mean, sure he is an arrogant guy but not in anyway like Lewis Hamilton(F1 driver) who spew nonsense childish remarks and pretends to be someone he's not. At least we can all agree to a certain point that throughout Rossi's career, he's been the same person beginning from his pocketbike days where he wore that ninja turtle on his helmet to today where I believe he still wears a turtle, but in the form of a sticker, of course. Is it because Rossi reminds you haters soo much of your childhood days? You know, that annoying scrawny kid that always rides his bike around the neighborhood faster than you and your buddies, but you guys never gave the kid a chance to get into your circle of friends because you and your buddies thought you guys were to cool for him? Well.... guess what, that scrawny little annoying kid became a superstar pushing Motorcycles to the limit for a living while you and your cool buddies are pushing paper for a living stuck inside a 5x7 cubicle.

I guess i can understand a little now why you guys hate Rossi soo much.