Stoner, Adriana, Motegi

Jumkie · Aug 15, 2011

Jumkie said:
Talpa' timestamp='1313196291' post='290356 said:

that's very forgiving of you jums, I thought you might be a little more scathing seeing as Casey has now bowed to corporate pressure and decided to go, completely backpedalling on what was a harsh and completely unsupportive stance he and Jorge took.

Yes he's only 25 about the same age Rossi was when he vowed to not use tobacco sponsorship again. You were a fair bit more harsh on vr.....

And this issue is huge, it's about the rebuilding of a nation with motorcycling at it's heart. The only ones downplaying it are boners.

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Talps my friend, the difference is Rossi took a stand on principle, UNLIKE Stoner who based it on misinformation. Rossi was saying, i wont be associated with tobacco so others will not be indirectly injured by using me as marketing, Stoner wasnt gonna go to Motegi to protect himself and his family from what he thought was a risk. World of difference. The discussion should end there. No comparison.

Stoner was momentarily ignorant and dumb (perhaps even naive to be influenced by a few dumb people). He's even going as far as explaining why he may hav misspoke, im not sure Rossi has done that. Rossi, if we r to believe he was against tobacco because it hurts people, as a matter of principle; then go back on his word because he painted himself into a corner, well thats a bit dishonorable. Notwithstanding, Selective reading and perhaps limited understanding on ur part, but i hav no problem with tobacco, and had he not taken a stand against it wouldnt mean .... to me either way. I dont mind peeps using tobacco, and i dont like the grandstanding people claim against the product. If anything, alcohol destroys more lives. Stoner changing his mind on not going to Japan is not even in the same league. Its even dumb comparing the two situations as they are a stretch at best to make some correlation.

Well the saga continues. Rossi says Dorna made the wrong decision and now we have a problem. So Talpa, oh what will you do when Rossi changes his mind and goes to Japan (or even worse, doesn't go--which is what I'm hoping he does, you know, to keep his word and all...

"I really don't think I'll go to Japan," Rossi said. "I was hoping that the championship organizers would make the right decision, but that hasn't been the case, and now we've got a serious problem."

http://superbikeplan...Aug/110815c.htm

(stay tuned peeps, this should be good)

Mental Anarchist · Aug 15, 2011

Jumkie said:
Well the saga continues. Rossi says Dorna made the wrong decision and now we have a problem. So Talpa, oh what will you do when Rossi changes his mind and goes to Japan (or even worse, doesn't go--which is what I'm hoping he does, you know, to keep his word and all...

http://superbikeplan...Aug/110815c.htm

(stay tuned peeps, this should be good)

He'll just send Hayden to do the set up work and then fly in just before qually. After all what use is a donkey if you don't use its ...!

FTE217 · Aug 16, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
He'll just send Hayden to do the set up work and then fly in just before qually. After all what use is a donkey if you don't use its ...!

your a bad man Mental

baturro · Aug 16, 2011

Im reading reports in Spanish press saying that Shuhey Nakamoto (HRC VP) agrees with Valentino in that racing at Suzuka could be a possibility, but that the championship would be back to Motegi in 2012. Here is the link.

http://www.as.com/mo...dasdaimot_1/Tes

chopperman · Aug 16, 2011

baturro said:
Im reading reports in Spanish press saying that Shuhey Nakamoto (HRC VP) agrees with Valentino in that racing at Suzuka could be a possibility, but that the championship would be back to Motegi in 2012. Here is the link.

http://www.as.com/mo...dasdaimot_1/Tes

I reckon Suzuka would be more dangrous on an 800 than any radiation at motegi

Jumkie · Aug 16, 2011

baturro said:
Im reading reports in Spanish press saying that Shuhey Nakamoto (HRC VP) agrees with Valentino in that racing at Suzuka could be a possibility, but that the championship would be back to Motegi in 2012. Here is the link.

http://www.as.com/mo...dasdaimot_1/Tes

It does NOT say he agrees with Valentino, that's the Spanish take on it, certainly contrived by some Spanish dude. What I got from the actual quote by Nakamoto is that he’s trying to appease the rebellious riders by offering a temporary solution seeing that Valentino has put his foot down. We have a bit of a rider mutiny, and with the most influential of these saying we have a big problem because he doesn't want to go means its a crisis for the organizers. Reminds me of when he threatened to retire if he didn't get Bridgestones. Knowing how that worked out, we just may race a Suzuka.

Jumkie · Aug 16, 2011

chopperman said:
I reckon Suzuka would be more dangrous on an 800 than any radiation at motegi

Nakamoto adresses this in his quote, he says they added a chicane for the express purpose of motorcycle racing. So its safe now.

The only quote in that article is as follows:

"La instalación es preciosa, el circuito ha cambiado desde 2003 (se dejó de ir allí a partir de ese año con la muerte de 'Kato'). Se ha introducido una chicane exclusiva para las carreras de motos, pero las exigencias de la Federación Internacional para su aprobación, son muchas. Podría ser una solución para este año, pero para la próxima temporada querría volver a Motegi"

Losely translated by me:

“The track facility is beautiful, and the circuit has changed since 2003 (it was dropped following the year of Kato’s death). They have introduced a chicane exclusively for motorcycle racing, but the requirements for approval by the FIM are many. Perhaps it could be a solution for this year; however, next season I’d like to return to Motegi.”

(I said this would be good, looks like the ball is rolling. I wonder how this will be later revised by the historical revisionist).

33 Coupe · Aug 16, 2011

I love where this is heading.

Talpa, you have been selected to represent the Church of Rossi so COME ON DOOOWWWWNNN.

Talpa · Aug 16, 2011

Jumkie said:
Nakamoto adresses this in his quote, he says they added a chicane for the express purpose of motorcycle racing. So its safe now.

The only quote in that article is as follows:

"La instalación es preciosa, el circuito ha cambiado desde 2003 (se dejó de ir allí a partir de ese año con la muerte de 'Kato'). Se ha introducido una chicane exclusiva para las carreras de motos, pero las exigencias de

la Federación Internacional para su aprobación, son muchas. Podría ser una solución para este año, pero para la próxima temporada querría volver a Motegi"

Losely translated by me:

“The track facility is beautiful, and the circuit has changed since 2003 (it was dropped following the year of Kato’s death). They have introduced a chicane exclusively for motorcycle racing, but the requirements for approval

by the FIM are many. Perhaps it could be a solution for this year; however, next season I’d like to return to Motegi.”

well well, it is getting interesting. Maybe Casey will now backflip again.......

I'd like to see them back at a safer suzuka........

Jumkie · Aug 16, 2011

Talpa said:
well well, it is getting interesting. Maybe Casey will now backflip again.......

I'd like to see them back at a safer suzuka........

We've been patiently waiting for your input Talps.

I'll admit, I didn't expect a possible calendar change, goes to show you just what lengths Rossi will go to keep his word "I really don't think I'll go to Japan." stance. Good for him, he intends on keeping his word at the expense of the entire series, the Motegi organizers, and all indirectly effected. Btw, I realize these guys may not have studied the finer points of geography (they just travel around the world) but you may want to send Rossi a little memo, Suzuka is in JAPAN.

So even if he goes to Suzuka, I'd say he didn't keep his word. So he's gonna have to push for outright cancellation buddy. Hahahaha (Do I smell backpedal in the future?)

Talpa · Aug 16, 2011

Jumkie said:
We've been patiently waiting for your input Talps.

I'll admit, I didn't expect a possible calendar change, goes to show you just what lengths Rossi will go to keep his word "I really don't think I'll go to Japan." stance. Good for him, he intends on

keeping his word at the expense of the entire series, the Motegi

organizers, and all indirectly effected. Btw, I realize these guys may not

have studied the finer points of geography (they just travel around the

world) but you may want to send Rossi a little memo, Suzuka is in

JAPAN.

So even if he goes to Suzuka, I'd say he didn't keep his word. So he's

gonna have to push for outright cancellation buddy. Hahahaha (Do I smell

backpedal in the future?)

Nice font work, I'm impressed

I'll wait to hear the official verdict before I comment on Rossi as he has not announced either way

it certainly doesn't change the fact that the big backpedal is coming from

stoner, no doubt because of pressure from his employer.

Yeah and sorry I meant safer in regards to track and run off with Suzuka. It was always one of my favourites which seemed to bring about good racing.

michaelm · Aug 17, 2011

Talpa said:
Nice font work, I'm impressed

I'll wait to hear the official verdict before I comment on Rossi as he has not announced either way

it certainly doesn't change the fact that the big backpedal is coming from

stoner, no doubt because of pressure from his employer.

Yeah and sorry I meant safer in regards to track and run off with Suzuka. It was always one of my favourites which seemed to bring about good racing.

I agree a race at suzuka would be good. If only he always used his powers for good rather than evil, robin

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baturro · Aug 17, 2011

Looks like the Suzuka idea was thought up without looking at Suzuka's schedule. The weekend after the Moto GP Japan race there are F1 races at Suzuka, and this probably doesn't give circuit organization time to set up. Oh well, back to Motegi!

Bigguy · Aug 17, 2011

I think that there is zero chance of a race at Suzuka, regardless of what is being bandied about. I also seriously doubt that Stoner is going to give away 25 points unless Lorenzo stays home too, and I think both know that their future earnings could be greatly affected by sitting out.

Jumkie · Aug 17, 2011

Italians, it seems, don't get on with nuclear power. I know of one rider who definitely won't be going to Motegi because a rabbit has been born in the Fukushima area with only one ear. It must be true, he says, because it's on the internet and he's seen the picture. Seriously. Julian Ryder

(I wonder if he's talking about Rossi?)

http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110816rydernotes.htm

Torgo · Aug 17, 2011

Jumkie said:
Italians, it seems, don't get on with nuclear power. I know of one rider who definitely won't be going to Motegi because a rabbit has been born in the Fukushima area with only one ear. It must be true, he says, because it's on the internet and he's seen the picture. Seriously. Julian Ryder

(I wonder if he's talking about Rossi?)

http://superbikeplan...6rydernotes.htm

But... isn't everything they say on the interweb true?

dwoodhouse · Aug 17, 2011

Torgo said:
But... isn't everything they say on the interweb true?

Only everything jumkie says. If you learn that, you'll be fine.

33 Coupe · Aug 17, 2011

What was that comment earlier in the year about ........ I can't quite remember who said it.

J4rn0 · Aug 18, 2011

baturro said:
Looks like the Suzuka idea was thought up without looking at Suzuka's schedule. The weekend after the Moto GP Japan race there are F1 races at Suzuka, and this probably doesn't give circuit organization time to set up. Oh well, back to Motegi!

Right. Not only that, but since Kato's accident there in 2003 the track has never been homologated again for MotoGP racing and they cannot do it in a rush... Imagine if they do, and another accident happens. Anyway it's actually impossible because they have asphalted (for F1) all the areas around corners where there should be gravel for the bikes, and they cannot possibly undo them for MotoGP, put the gravel in, and then take the gravel out and re-asphalt them in 3 days for F1. No way.

frizzle · Aug 18, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Right. Not only that, but since Kato's accident there in 2003 the track has never been homologated again for MotoGP racing and they cannot do it in a rush... Imagine if they do, and another accident happens. Anyway it's actually impossible because they have asphalted (for F1) all the areas around corners where there should be gravel for the bikes, and they cannot possibly undo them for MotoGP, put the gravel in, and then take the gravel out and re-asphalt them in 3 days for F1. No way.

Fair point. Can they move the date again?

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