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Yes JL has proven to be just as silly and he is the only other one that I know of, however I believe that its a big backpedal, and there has been many a critic of Rossi for similar things, who are quite accepting of this-rather a large double standard. I believe its a huge .... up for Stoner particularly as he is one of two absolutely key personnel for the Company who owns the track.........and employs so many people in the region. They should also by now know a little bit about Japanese customs. A simple case of playing it safe with your view, and making an informed decision would seem to have been the way to go.



We will differ in our views of whether this is a large backpedal (your view) or simply a person admitting that his decision may have been hasty and who is now confident in that he is receiving information from trusted sources and as such is revisiting his original statements (my view). We will never agree on the gravity just as we will not on many things but for me it is not a major backpedal (in what I would term one - save those for political issues) but is for me a welcome admission irrespective of pressure applied or not.



With regard to Japanese customs I will agree, they should have known better as the Japanese are a proud nation with respects to this type of issue (at least from mt outside looking in view), but the converse is that should they be borne to adhere to those same customs is they disagree? I say no, if they do not agree thence their should be no obligation on them to follow the customs, but certainly they should be courteous to the same people and (IMO) bot were courteous to the Japanese, just maybe not to DORNA.



The final highlighted section I will agree with in as much as a reasoned comment early on would have been a preferred solution, but no doubt that is (in their respective opinions) what they gave, although I would call it an emotive response and would say it was understandable. But yes, in retrospect a different original response would have been better, and I find it interesting that CS now revisiting based upon what is said to be more 'trustworthy' information is being so widely ridiculed in a number of circles (not just here).







And considering the circumstances in Japan this event is highly important for his employer, the sport and the people of Japan.........

Kropo has stated the ludicrous nature of Jorge and Stoner's stance since the outset........



Yes Kropo has been somewhat scathing certainly but he has also stated that he sees it more to be caused by an uneducated response to a situation, no more, nothing sinister or ego driven but just a group of men whom may be somewhat manipulated by members of the paddock to have made a poor initial choice and reaction. He also stated on numerous occasions that he fully expected calmer heads to rule and as he usually is (inside knowledge is a wondrous thing) he has proven correct .





And in what way are these two riders 'Supporting Japan' by sprouting stickers on their machines, whilst trying to refuse to turn up to the only event relevant to them that actually will support Japan..........I wouldn't be so critical if they had some support from other riders.....but I've yet to see any.



I have no problems with teh 'support Japan' sticker on their bikes purely because I support our Troops when deployed, but taht does not mean I wish to be there where they are (yes, I do have a yellow streak in my body). So I see no issues with the stickers and yes I am aware that Jums and many others do (including Kropo) and I have no opposition to their view at all.



With regards to other riders you may well be forgetting the numerous reports that all riders in MotoGP with the exception of Aoyama expressed hesitancy at attending the Motegi round when this first surfaced.



The issue and why is seems focused on JL and CS more than the other riders is that these two were the 'public' face and answered questions in a tactless manner, although I do not for one minute believe that these are the only two with those personal views (as opposed to team views). I am sure Kropo can add more in this aspect as he has reported a few times that the initial reaction from all riders (excepting Aoyama) was negative towards the race going ahead (levels of negativity may not have all been of the JL/CS level).





Now the about face is rather obviously been forced from their employers. Why don't Casey and Jorge hold true to their initial view and not go? They were so adamant that it would not be safe for years.......what has changed? Well they are human beings after all, much to the surprise of many fans of one of them anyway......



To date from what I have seen/read JL has not backed down in any way, and CS has not indicted that he would attend but stated that he has softened his stance based on information he received from people he trusted. Yes, no doubt there is likely great pressure from their employers as there would be on all of these riders to attend this round, and yes this would have been greater on CS/JL given their respective championship positions but I am not fully convinced that it is the only reason for the change, yes a large one but not the only reason.



Either way, the race will go ahead regardless of the presence of these riders because DORNA need the race to go ahead (IMO) and whether these riders attend is yet to be confirmed. If they go, well and good and I will be seriously interested to see how JL/CS and others react in terms of arriving at the circuits for the weekend, leaving the circuit etc.



Additionally I am interested to see how the attendance goes for the weekend as well as how the respective teams approach the weekend in terms of staffing levels, who does not attend etc. I actually think it will be an interesting view into the real and true movers and shakers in the paddock.









Gaz
 
that's very forgiving of you jums, I thought you might be a little more scathing seeing as Casey has now bowed to corporate pressure and decided to go, completely backpedalling on what was a harsh and completely unsupportive stance he and Jorge took.



Yes he's only 25 about the same age Rossi was when he vowed to not use tobacco sponsorship again. You were a fair bit more harsh on vr.....



And this issue is huge, it's about the rebuilding of a nation with motorcycling at it's heart. The only ones downplaying it are boners.



Talps my friend, the difference is Rossi took a stand on principle, UNLIKE Stoner who based it on misinformation. Rossi was saying, i wont be associated with tobacco so others will not be indirectly injured by using me as marketing, Stoner wasnt gonna go to Motegi to protect himself and his family from what he thought was a risk. World of difference. The discussion should end there. No comparison.



Stoner was momentarily ignorant and dumb (perhaps even naive to be influenced by a few dumb people). He's even going as far as explaining why he may hav misspoke, im not sure Rossi has done that. Rossi, if we r to believe he was against tobacco because it hurts people, as a matter of principle; then go back on his word because he painted himself into a corner, well thats a bit dishonorable. Notwithstanding, Selective reading and perhaps limited understanding on ur part, but i hav no problem with tobacco, and had he not taken a stand against it wouldnt mean .... to me either way. I dont mind peeps using tobacco, and i dont like the grandstanding people claim against the product. If anything, alcohol destroys more lives. Stoner changing his mind on not going to Japan is not even in the same league. Its even dumb comparing the two situations as they are a stretch at best to make some correlation.
 
Well apart from ingesting iodine http://www.naturalne..._radiation.html what else can be done for an exposed population? Last time I had an xray the radiographer positioned herself behind a wall? I searched for "radiation poisoning" in your GP bible http://www.mims.com.au and found nothing. Do medical professional have full search capabilities of this "100% pure knowledge" so can you tell us how to un-irradiate ourselves?



So long as electrical power is guaranteed to keep flowing to these nuclear facilities and they remain SAFE and accident free then we don't have to worry about these effects http://www.atomicarc...adeffects.shtml. From what I have seen a guaranteed electrical supply is not always possible, but hey let's leave it all to the experts to sort it out for us shall we sheeple.
 
now Adri is gonna have 2 babies to take care of
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Maybe all the riders should fake injures the week before Motegi.
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But seriously, all the parties involved in this are adults. If the individual riders don't want to go, obviously no one can physically force them onto a plane. They fully know they are contractually obligated to race at each event barring injury. We civilians know that if we take an unexcused absence(s) from work, it gets noticed and it may or may not haunt you down the line. They deal with consequences (if any) should they choose not to go.



The 2 most competitive manufacturers happen to be Japanese currently, so if one wants a top ride down the line then obviously one is going to try to do all the 'right' things to be considered for those rides. Also, I would think the Japanese take fidelity pretty seriously and no doubt they would consider a no show a slap in the face given what has happened to their country. They want more than lip service/slapping on 'support Japan' decals from their riders.
 
Well apart from ingesting iodine http://www.naturalne..._radiation.html what else can be done for an exposed population? Last time I had an xray the radiographer positioned herself behind a wall? I searched for "radiation poisoning" in your GP bible http://www.mims.com.au and found nothing. Do medical professional have full search capabilities of this "100% pure knowledge" so can you tell us how to un-irradiate ourselves?



So long as electrical power is guaranteed to keep flowing to these nuclear facilities and they remain SAFE and accident free then we don't have to worry about these effects http://www.atomicarc...adeffects.shtml. From what I have seen a guaranteed electrical supply is not always possible, but hey let's leave it all to the experts to sort it out for us shall we sheeple.

There are 2 or 3 different issues. Radiation in a sufficiently large dose will kill you by destroying your gastrointestinal mucosal cells and bone marrow. At fairly high sublethal doses the body can recover with supportive measures, and on the borderline bone marrow transplants can sometimes help. Acquiring these sort of doses even with accidents as bad as chernobyl or fukushima pretty well requires being on site.



The second issue is oncogenesis/induction of cancer. Sufficiently high doses again will do this. The argument is whether you can extrapolate this down to zero, the linear no-threshhold hypothesis, as the body also has mechanisms of repair at the dna level. Even if the hypothesis is true, the increase in background radiation at motegi is trivial and current background radiation there is similar to other places, and worrying about that much radiation is incompatible with any normal existence.



Environmental contamination with long lived radio-isotopes is an issue though, and I don't know what the risks of ingesting even small amounts of long-lived isotopes like caesium and strontium are, and wouldn't care to ingest them myself, again not that this can be taken down to single atoms or whatever as there is some natural occurrence. I wouldn't voluntarily ingest radio-iodine either, and am cautious not to do so, but I would be unlikely to get thyroid cancer at my age and would have to be fairly close to fukushima to get enough to make me hypothyroid.



I agree with your probable underlying argument. The effects of even very rare accidents are too severe for nuclear power generation to be a good idea, and certainly not on the coast of earthquake and tsunami prone islands in the hands of private enterprise. Even if this accident doesn't have many general public health effects it is going to make the land around fukushima unuseable for a long time.
 
Anyone catch the pre race on Speed today. They covered the latest on the rider mutiny and added a little conspiracy to the matter. When discussing the reports, they said 'the alleged' independent report has determined that Motegi is safe and the race will go on as scheduled.
 
Read this today Mushrooms grown in the open air in Soma, a city about 40 kilometers (25 miles) north of the plant damaged in the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, were found to contain nine times the legal limit of cesium, the local government said Aug. 12. Japan’s farm ministry asked growers in Fukushima prefecture to refrain from harvesting mushrooms off raw wood left outside, public broadcaster NHK reported Aug. 13.

Authorities in Fukushima and neighboring prefectures are conducting spot checks on a range of products in cooperation with local farmers. Radiation exceeding safety levels has been found in produce, tea, milk, fish and beef sourced as far as 360 kilometers from the nuclear plant.
 
Rossi, in his post race interview went to great lengths to explain that he does not want to go to Motegi. His crew don't want to go. He thinks it is very risky and says that he and all his crew are scared to go. He concludes by saying it is not a good idea to hold a motorcycle race at Motegi now.
 
Rossi, in his post race interview went to great lengths to explain that he does not want to go to Motegi. His crew don't want to go. He thinks it is very risky and says that he and all his crew are scared to go. He concludes by saying it is not a good idea to hold a motorcycle race at Motegi now.



Poor ole Talps ........ the stars just aren't aligning for him lately
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He better start learning to Backpedal fast!!
 
In Talps universe there will be a plausible explanation as to why it is Stoner's or Bridgestone's fault that Rossi is scared and doesn't want to go.

Well Rossi is so scared of stoner that just a few weeks ago he had to leave his helmet on while talking to him after a race. If stoner is scared for little stoner, rossi is petrified for uccio. And the Bridgestones are radioactive so it makes sense that Rossi is having trouble getting them to work on the championship winning ducati.
 
Well Rossi is so scared of stoner that just a few weeks ago he had to leave his helmet on while talking to him after a race. If stoner is scared for little stoner, rossi is petrified for uccio. And the Bridgestones are radioactive so it makes sense that Rossi is having trouble getting them to work on the championship winning ducati.



Hey! I invented that one for Talpa! does that give you the right to use it?
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Well Rossi is so scared of stoner that just a few weeks ago he had to leave his helmet on while talking to him after a race. If stoner is scared for little stoner, rossi is petrified for uccio. And the Bridgestones are radioactive so it makes sense that Rossi is having trouble getting them to work on the championship winning ducati.

Gotta love those alternative universes!
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