Bet the kid will look like Spies
Or it will start talking with an Owensboro, Kentucky accent
Or it will start talking with an Owensboro, Kentucky accent
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Im assuming you read the same thing i did, which was this
"Iwate Prefecture is 200 to 300 kilometres from the nuclear plant, which has caused the beef to be contaminated. We didn't even consider that the explosion would have affected us being so far away. I'm very surprised," he said.
The Japanese government says radiated rice straw was fed to the cattle and it is also considering suspending cattle shipments in a fourth prefecture.
It does say radiated rice straw, but doesnt mention, or even hint that it was from the area of the meltdown, which in retrospect would be pretty damn stupid if you think about it. Why would you take radiated rice straw out of a hot zone to feed cattle 300 km away.
The words "im not sure" or 'im guessing' are coming off of every ones lips. That is double talk for "your guess is as good as mine" which does not inspire confidence.
Capirex
Melandri (WSB)
DePuniet (the lovely Lauren)
All riders have a person whom is at each and every race, and certainly maybe not all are wives or girlfriends or relatives but you would find that the presence of that person plays a large part in allowing the rider to be the rider that they are.
Then of course we have :-
Spies (Mum - or does she stay at home now)
Rossi (Uccio)
All of the people present play a large part in the preparation of a rider and as such of that riders success.
Truth is, 90% of the riders will have someone that travels with them 24x7 or close to it yet is it only focused on Adriana (this time) because oft he subject matter at hand and whom she is the partner of.
Here look below instead and enjoy Lauren instead
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that's very forgiving of you jums, I thought you might be a little more scathing seeing as Casey has now bowed to corporate pressure and decided to go, completely backpedalling on what was a harsh and completely unsupportive stance he and Jorge took.
Yes he's only 25 about the same age Rossi was when he vowed to not use tobacco sponsorship again. You were a fair bit more harsh on vr.....
And this issue is huge, it's about the rebuilding of a nation with motorcycling at it's heart. The only ones downplaying it are boners.
The report I read was similar, and likely based on the same source, but not identical.
What I did hear on the radio in australia from a scientific source, was that there is fairly general agreement that the exclusion zone should have been bigger, although not by anything approaching the distance to motegi. You may also recall that early on there were reports that spinach which was contaminated reached the market. From more unofficial sources there is talk that the Japanese nuclear/radiation safety agency was sidelined and matters were run directly from the prime minister's office. So I think contaminated rice straw from too close to fukushima was fed to cattle further away.
What the Japanese did do correctly was hand out stable iodine appropriately to block radioactive iodine/I-131 uptake by people in the vicinity, which was not done by the russians with chernobyl, which should prevent thyroid cancer in those under 25, afaik the only real health effect of the chernobyl disaster on people not directly involved in the accident or its aftermath locally at the plant.
Notwithstanding all this I don't disagree with you, the official information hasn't been exactly clear and confidence inspiring.
Again what on earth have the two issues got to do with each other? As I also said it was roger, not well known for being a stoner fan, who made most of the running on the rossi tobacco sponsorship thing, and jumkie mainly just agreed with him.
Rossi (admirably and genuinely in my view) after due consideration decided to take a (correct) public stance on a known major general public health issue. He obviously hadn't thought things the whole way through given how closely gp racing and big tobacco were intertwined and could not carry through. Just to be clear I don't think he was grandstanding which is the criticism that could be applied to him.
Stoner when asked at a press conference about an issue personal to him related to his own health concerns said exactly what he felt as is his wont. The parallel is a racer refusing to race because of what he considers to be dangerous track or weather conditions rather than rossi starting a public health campaign. You seem to be suggesting that stoner maliciously made a decision to deliberately damage the Japanese economy, drawing multiple extremely long bows as is your wont simultaneously.
Again you are the one making ridiculous accusations whilst accusing others of doing so. Hilarious.
one of the most important events for that region will the staging of the Motogp round, of this there is no doubt. Now Stoner and Jorge came out and said they would not be attending the motegi round due to their own personal health concerns, despite the fact that the dorna and the rest of the paddock, and the organizers feels it's fine to take their muliti million dollar show to motegi.
As both of these riders are also adorning their machines with support for Japan stickers, most Including well informed insiders like kropo feel as though these riders were being unresonable and egotistical in their stance and were unsupported by almost all of the other riders.
Now I'm sure if you ask Casey personally if he actually wants to go he will still say no, however no doubt the pressure has been applied and now we see a direct backpedal on what was a serious stance.
Rossi faced the same thing with his tobacco sponsorship, his ideals were circumvented by the overwhelming pressure of finacing a motogp team. Now rossi was villfied for this to extremes here, and still is. At least he managed to win a couple of world titles and compete for fours years without the smoke money.
Parallels can certain be drawn easily, a backpedal is a backpedal. And considering the need for this event to go ahead moreso now than ever with the full support of the top two manufacturers top riders competing at their home race. It indeed is yet another major pr diaster for Stoner.
I know you and others are Casey equivilent to Tenseng Norgay so this is pointless, but hey pointing out yet another powerslide hypocrisy is not unusal..........
one of the most important events for that region will the staging of the Motogp round, of this there is no doubt. Now Stoner and Jorge came out and said they would not be attending the motegi round due to their own personal health concerns, despite the fact that the dorna and the rest of the paddock, and the organizers feels it's fine to take their muliti million dollar show to motegi.
As both of these riders are also adorning their machines with support for Japan stickers, most Including well informed insiders like kropo feel as though these riders were being unresonable and egotistical in their stance and were unsupported by almost all of the other riders.
Now I'm sure if you ask Casey personally if he actually wants to go he will still say no, however no doubt the pressure has been applied and now we see a direct backpedal on what was a serious stance.
Rossi faced the same thing with his tobacco sponsorship, his ideals were circumvented by the overwhelming pressure of finacing a motogp team. Now rossi was villfied for this to extremes here, and still is. At least he managed to win a couple of world titles and compete for fours years without the smoke money.
Parallels can certain be drawn easily, a backpedal is a backpedal. And considering the need for this event to go ahead moreso now than ever with the full support of the top two manufacturers top riders competing at their home race. It indeed is yet another major pr diaster for Stoner.
I know you and others are Casey equivilent to Tenseng Norgay so this is pointless, but hey pointing out yet another powerslide hypocrisy is not unusal..........
Again you invent things to suit your argument. Kropotkin has said nothing about stoner's stance being ego-driven, he has said he may have over-reacted without being well informed. What he definitely said was that there are widespread misgivings in the paddock from support staff not on casey's large salary, and he definitely did not say stoner and lorenzo were unsupported by the other riders, including one valentino rossi, at the time stoner made the statement. He can speak for himself, but he seems to have had some misgivings about going but has decided to take advice as is reasonable. Any economic consequences for Stoner's stance are far more likely to be for Stoner's personal finances rather than japan's national economy, and there has been considerable opinion (with which I disagree and is a decision for the Japanese in any case) about whether the race should be held because of the massive rebuilding necessary in Japan at the moment.
Again you demonstrate your extreme and irrational hatred of casey stoner and willingness to apply totally spurious arguments to denigrate him, rather than pointing out real faults in stoner and his fans, which doubtless exist. The word irony comes into it again, which you still don't seem to have looked up. You do exactly in regard to stoner and his fans what you accuse others of doing to rossi and your element among rossi fandom. And before you say you are merely responding, I am blessed or cursed with quite a good memory and your initial posts on this forum consisted almost entirely of diatribes against stoner at a time when things were going quite badly for him and quite well for valentino rossi.
Just as a further point of logic, something concerning which you continue to demonstrate your need for ongoing instruction, what casey is now actually saying, about which you can be cynical if you choose, is that he may go if he gets independent advice which satisfies him it is safe. Whilst I have no issue with rossi either making his anti-tobacco stance or not following through with it, what I know to be very definitely true is that no independent advice that smoking is safe exists.
As it happens I know considerably more about radiation safety than dorna and the organisers of this multi million dollar show ( multiple millions of dollars being involved does not necessarily have anything to do with being safe btw, as the aforementioned tobacco industry demonstrates), and as much as most people they could get advice from, and as I said I would be happy to go, but even if erring on the side of caution would not be eating much japanese beef whilst there. Not many laymen not possessed of your blind prejudice would find the inconsistent information which has come out of Japan entirely reassuring I would venture to suggest though.
Now I do not know Motegi in terms of what is it's main fous economic wise, but I have doubts as to whether a MotoGP round there would be 'one of the most important events for that region' given what it has recently been through. If however I misunderstand and you mean most important from a morale level than (whilst still doubtful) I can easily see where that opinion could be founded as any distraction from day to day problems is a positive (IMO).
So Talps, please do explain why (if your statement is fact) did all but one rider (and that rider being a Japanese rider) support the statement made some time back regarding the future of Motegi that it needed to be 'reconsidered' (my words as I cannot recall the exact content of the statement). If, as you say the other riders did not support the stances of the two primary faces thence surely they would not have supported the need to review whether the race should be held.
Certainly, no other riders did (from memory) publically state that they were not going, but a number expressed (by there agreement with the said statement) their deep concern regarding the situation, ergo they may well in private support the very public stances that have caused such controversy.
As for Kropo, he did not (rfrom memory - have not gone back and revisited the comments) attribute the comments of either JL or CS to their own wanton ego (you chose the word egostitical, I just extrapolate it), but to a deep seated lack of knowledge on their individual behalves. At the same time he also recognised that it was these riders getting asked directly as both are somewhat known for their lack of tact/discretion at times (CS far more than is JL) .
Either way, both made what were at the time categoric statements and have since reconsidered the stance somewhat (and I suspect the World Championship situation plays as big part).
Yep, he backpedalled, no biggie as many have in the past and will into the future (be that never leaving a brand, a sponsor, a team member etc) .
He had a stance and his opinions as to his stance have changed based upon him receiving what he feels is more credible advice than that furnished by DORNA ( and I suspect most riders do not believe the DORNA reports no matter how 'independent' they may be - sorry Michael if you know some involved in the report)
No doubt, no surprise but I do not see it as a PR disaster but actually the complete opposite as, he is admitting that he was wrong ................. something he has been accused many times of not being able to do (and yet has repeatedly done).
He is admitting that he was to hasty (and saying he had reasons) but he is now saying that he must now revisit his take as he has seen other information that makes him feel a little more at ease.
Yes, I do not think that Adriana's pregnancy played a part in the original 'decision' and readily will say it was pure emotion based upon not knowing much of the situation at hand, but I also see that the majority of riders had a similar initial reaction.
Let me ask you, what is your opinion of the other riders who have either stated categorically they will not go (ie. JL) or those that expressed their initial discomfort but have since (although still no public comments) decided to attend?
Gaz
Tenseng is doing his job as usual so i'll chat with you Gaz
Yes JL has proven to be just as silly and he is the only other one that I know of, however I believe that its a big backpedal, and there has been many a critic of Rossi for similar things, who are quite accepting of this-rather a large double standard. I believe its a huge .... up for Stoner particularly as he is one of two absolutely key personnel for the Company who owns the track.........and employs so many people in the region. They should also by now know a little bit about Japanese customs. A simple case of playing it safe with your view, and making an informed decision would seem to have been the way to go.
And considering the circumstances in Japan this event is highly important for his employer, the sport and the people of Japan.........
Kropo has stated the ludicrous nature of Jorge and Stoner's stance since the outset........
And in what way are these two riders 'Supporting Japan' by sprouting stickers on their machines, whilst trying to refuse to turn up to the only event relevant to them that actually will support Japan..........I wouldn't be so critical if they had some support from other riders.....but I've yet to see any.
Now the about face is rather obviously been forced from their employers. Why don't Casey and Jorge hold true to their initial view and not go? They were so adamant that it would not be safe for years.......what has changed? Well they are human beings after all, much to the surprise of many fans of one of them anyway......
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Norah Head
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Norah Head
Or it will start talking with an Owensboro, Kentucky accent
I thought Nicky was gay??
Never see him with a .... do you?
And Big Bens mum is still trying to get him a girlfriend ........ maybe Adrana felt sorry for him
1. Nothing can be done for you once you are exposed to radiation.
2. See "1."
Just want to cheer everyone up about the nuclear tragedy that is Japan apart from whether or not a race is run there. Look, its not like it's the end of the world so everyone get back to Youtube: click for Elenin Video and order some more pizza.
2. See "1."
Just want to cheer everyone up about the nuclear tragedy that is Japan apart from whether or not a race is run there. Look, its not like it's the end of the world so everyone get back to Youtube: click for Elenin Video and order some more pizza.
Tenseng is doing his job as usual so i'll chat with you Gaz
Yes JL has proven to be just as silly and he is the only other one that I know of, however I believe that its a big backpedal, and there has been many a critic of Rossi for similar things, who are quite accepting of this-rather a large double standard. I believe its a huge .... up for Stoner particularly as he is one of two absolutely key personnel for the Company who owns the track.........and employs so many people in the region. They should also by now know a little bit about Japanese customs. A simple case of playing it safe with your view, and making an informed decision would seem to have been the way to go.
And considering the circumstances in Japan this event is highly important for his employer, the sport and the people of Japan.........
Kropo has stated the ludicrous nature of Jorge and Stoner's stance since the outset........
And in what way are these two riders 'Supporting Japan' by sprouting stickers on their machines, whilst trying to refuse to turn up to the only event relevant to them that actually will support Japan..........I wouldn't be so critical if they had some support from other riders.....but I've yet to see any.
Now the about face is rather obviously been forced from their employers. Why don't Casey and Jorge hold true to their initial view and not go? They were so adamant that it would not be safe for years.......what has changed? Well they are human beings after all, much to the surprise of many fans of one of them anyway......
Was he hot headed in making his original statement? Quite likely. If he doesn't go will it be wise in terms of his employment and career and will it offend honda, perhaps terminally? As I have already said, quite possibly.
This is not what you have argued before this post to garry, however. You have quoted kropotkin as saying the opposite of what he actually said, gone into your usual animadversions about the evils of stoner's character, and basically seem to be claiming that any ill effects on Japan from several earthquakes, a tsunami and a nuclear disaster will become the responsibility of a single motor bike rider if he doesn't race at motegi. Your evidence for his egotism and bad character is apparently that he doesn't trust dorna as he should.
As I have said I think it is safe and I was on the "....... for not going" side of the debate until I saw some of the things helen caldicott has been saying, appearing quite authoritative, which would give anyone pause. What she says is at variance with everything I have been able to glean about chernobyl and if there is a conspiracy it would have to be pretty much the largest and most tightly held such conspiracy in history, but her stuff is out there on the modern media, quite possibly including in the tv program jorge saw which started this whole thing. As I previously said, the inconsistent information from the Japanese authorities is hardly confidence inspiring either, and indications are that the Japanese people themselves think their government has bungled things as well.
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Norah Head
Speaking of Talpa ........ are bridgestone tires made in Japan? Maybe Rossi's tires are radioactive Talpa?
Capi's wife used to attend, but not every race. As for Uccio and the lovely Lauren, i think they actually work for their respective teams. And Spies mum is his manager.
The point is, it would be wrong if he said he would not go to Motegi due to him not wanting to expose his wife to radiation. I have no issue with wives being prezent. I was mearly responding to MA's bizarre statement.
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