Stoner, Adriana, Motegi

Racing at Suzuka at a later date sounds like a good idea.Better than Motegi October 2:nd anyway.

Having a race at Motegi this year is almost stupid IMHO.It's a motorcycle race,not a visit by government officials from Italy,Spain,USA and so on.

Just an FYI, there was 6.8 quake in Fukushima area today, with a resultant small tsunami.

yeah .... going to Japan.

Bigguy said:

Just an FYI, there was 6.8 quake in Fukushima area today, with a resultant small tsunami.

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Just another FYI, the Fukushima plant was completely unaffected and the work on the plant went ahead without interruption. However, that is not being reported by the Italian media, for some reason or other.



As to Nakamoto, he basically said the circuit needs too much work for it to be homologated for MotoGP, it's safety class C, not safety class A. If you look on Google maps/earth, you can travel round the circuit by Street View. The riders would have kittens, so close are some of the walls. Nakamoto said that he loved Suzuka as a track, but it is not his decision. Now, and in the future, we are going to Motegi.

Kropotkin said:

Just another FYI, the Fukushima plant was completely unaffected and the work on the plant went ahead without interruption. However, that is not being reported by the Italian media, for some reason or other.



As to Nakamoto, he basically said the circuit needs too much work for it to be homologated for MotoGP, it's safety class C, not safety class A. If you look on Google maps/earth, you can travel round the circuit by Street View. The riders would have kittens, so close are some of the walls. Nakamoto said that he loved Suzuka as a track, but it is not his decision. Now, and in the future, we are going to Motegi.

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Perfect opportunity to do some knee (and elbow) sliders on the straights!

Kropotkin said:

Just another FYI, the Fukushima plant was completely unaffected and the work on the plant went ahead without interruption. However, that is not being reported by the Italian media, for some reason or other.

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I was posting based on CNN rather than Italian media, but a 6.8 quake is pretty good shake unto itself.

Not going to motegi will not raise his childs odds of not having buck teeth.

Bigguy said:

I was posting based on CNN rather than Italian media, but a 6.8 quake is pretty good shake unto itself.

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Indeed it is. And exactly nothing happened. There have been several 6+M quakes in the region since the big one, just as there were several before the quake.

Kropotkin said:

Indeed it is. And exactly nothing happened. There have been several 6+M quakes in the region since the big one, just as there were several before the quake.

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I believe a little more radioactive water was dumped into the ocean, but nothing should affect the track. It is still pretty clear that information regarding Fukushima is being covered up (such as the fact that the meltdown was on it's way solely due to the earthquake, rather than the power outage causing it as had previously been stated). While I would personally go to motegi for the price of free airfare, I can understand why the riders are concerned. There are too many attempts at concealing facts.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Not going to motegi will not raise his childs odds of not having buck teeth.

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I just can't wait to see how all you Stoner / Whoregay bashers turn this one around.



Oh wait I can see it Rossi rides an ITALIAN bike so it wont matter or something like he's not in contention for the championship so it won't matter or even maybe Rossi could stay out and they can send test riders.............please just insert whatever you want after this I'm sure it will come thick and fast!



I'm a Stoner fan and I still believe HE SPOKE HIS MIND TO SOON but now there's no difference between Rossi, Casey and Whoregay accept maybe because Casey and Whoregay ride Japanese bikes and they are both in championship contention so maybe there has been some direct pressure applied to them.



Also I'm not looking at this from a safety point of view, that has been discussed to death by now, I'm just looking at the massive hypocrisy that's about to hit.



Rossi probably owes more to the Japanese than Casey and Whoregay put together. His GOAT status has pretty much been built on Japanese manufactured machines and to be honest I can't see this changing anytime soon, and don't even suggest that Casey and Whoregay owe more to the Japanese because they are currently riding for Japanese manufacturers (that is a preempt btw).



This is aimed at no individual in particular just the Rossi community in general that has been bagging Casey and Whoregay about this specific topic.



I bet that if Rossi thinks this way then you can expect that a few more riders think the same, also I would think that Rossi not turning up for a GP would hit the Motegi GP coffers harder than Stoner or Whoregay not going.



Anyway thats just my take.



Cheers



Gecko

If Rossi remains as Galant and noble as he is being, and doesn't go, does that mean that the history books will cite is at the "yellow" reason Rossi did not win the WC in 2011?



or



Will Rossi be the only one with the sense not to go and everyone else is nuclearated and Rossi wins the title as he is the only one left? Can he numerically do it then?

Bigguy said:

I believe a little more radioactive water was dumped into the ocean, but nothing should affect the track. It is still pretty clear that information regarding Fukushima is being covered up (such as the fact that the meltdown was on it's way solely due to the earthquake, rather than the power outage causing it as had previously been stated). While I would personally go to motegi for the price of free airfare, I can understand why the riders are concerned. There are too many attempts at concealing facts.

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Another theory that has some currency was that much could have been averted if they had flooded the plant straight away, but the 20 billion dollar investment/value of the (privately owned) plant came into consideration.

BarryMachine said:

If Rossi remains as Galant and noble as he is being, and doesn't go, does that mean that the history books will cite is at the "yellow" reason Rossi did not win the WC in 2011?



or



Will Rossi be the only one with the sense not to go and everyone else is nuclearated and Rossi wins the title as he is the only one left? Can he numerically do it then?

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lol

BarryMachine said:

If Rossi remains as Galant and noble as he is being, and doesn't go, does that mean that the history books will cite is at the "yellow" reason Rossi did not win the WC in 2011?



or



Will Rossi be the only one with the sense not to go and everyone else is nuclearated and Rossi wins the title as he is the only one left? Can he numerically do it then?

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Made no sense whatsoever, "cite it at the yellow reason Rossi did not win"



So the reason Stoner has not won the title since 2007 is cited at the red?



You go girlfriend!



Pete

Kropo, I'd like to thank you for championing the voice of reason against this ludicrous perception that going to Motegi is unsafe.



The riders that have been so vocal about it show just how willing they are to put foot in mouth, and I suspect the people supporting their rider and suggesting that they have a point for concern is nothing more than mindless tribalism (or they are as dumb themselves). What is next, they are not going to race at Laguna Seca because we are over due for 'The Big One'? For those living in paranoia about Japanese government cover-up conspiracy believers, it may interest you to know 'The Big One' refers to the earthquake that those idiots (sarcasm) in the scientific community, the same type of morons, (sarcasm) saying Motegi is safe, saying its a mathematical certainty that California will be rocked by a catastrophic earthquake of Biblical proportion. Yes, there is uncertainty, ...., their plane might crash on their next trip to Motegi, but getting lethal radiation exposure at Motegi is about as much risk as spontaneously combusting from an afternoon suntan.

Jumkie said:

Kropo, I'd like to thank you for championing the voice of reason against this ludicrous perception that going to Motegi is unsafe.



The riders that have been so vocal about it show just how willing they are to put foot in mouth, and I suspect the people supporting their rider and suggesting that they have a point for concern is nothing more than mindless tribalism (or they are as dumb themselves). What is next, they are not going to race at Laguna Seca because we are over due for 'The Big One'? For those living in paranoia about Japanese government cover-up conspiracy believers, it may interest you to know 'The Big One' refers to the earthquake that those idiots (sarcasm) in the scientific community, the same type of morons, (sarcasm) saying Motegi is safe, saying its a mathematical certainty that California will be rocked by a catastrophic earthquake of Biblical proportion. Yes, there is uncertainty, ...., their plane might crash on their next trip to Motegi, but getting lethal radiation exposure at Motegi is about as much risk as spontaneously combusting from an afternoon suntan.

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That the Japanese government has mismanaged the Fukushima incident and been less than frank with information concerning it and whether motegi is safe for motogp racing/racers are separate issues, and I agree with you and kropotkin that it is safe.



The problem is that the riders have got very emotional about it all. Reading between the lines, this apparently all started after jorge watched a television program about Chernobyl. My suspicion is that said program gave Helen Caldicott's view of Chernobyl.



She is a paediatrician who was working near 3 Mile Island when that accident occurred and has been a prominent anti-nuclear campaigner since. Her view is that nuclear energy is too dangerous, which may well be correct, but also that there has been a massive conspiracy to not only understate the dangers, but also to cover up the effects of nuclear accidents, and if accepted it is axiomatic that the authorities cannot be trusted on this matter, which seems to be where the riders at least were coming from. If there is a conspiracy in the scientific community (in terms of covering up the effects of nuclear accidents) I have been unable to penetrate it in 25 years, including when drinking with some of the people who would likely have to be involved, all of whom are relaxed about personal occupational exposures orders of magnitude greater than we are talking about here. Some of her evidence is frankly wacky, like attributing every case of cancer in Europe since the Chernobyl accident to that accident.



As I have said Fukushima does prove that nuclear reactors, at least on the coast of earthquake and tsunami prone islands, and probably in general, are too risky and have the potential to cause both severe acute problems and very long term problems such as extensive areas of arable/habitable land being unusable for at least decades. I would have some personal concerns about the extent of environmental contamination by long lived isotopes from Fukushima, but there is nothing to suggest this has reached as far as Motegi, could be addressed by only ingesting imported food and water, and there do not appear to have been any effects from such isotopes outside the exclusion zone around Chernobyl in any case. Concern about the direct dose from Fukushima at Motegi is groundless as you and Kropotkin say.

If they all go and get affected , then they will glow in the dark from the radiation, then in the future we can have night racers and see them easily.

ethin14 said:

If they all go and get affected , then they will glow in the dark from the radiation, then in the future we can have night racers and see them easily.

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ethin14 said:

If they all go and get affected , then they will glow in the dark from the radiation, then in the future we can have night racers and see them easily.

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as long as they glow yellow, yes?