Stoner a "High Speed Drug Pusher"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 30 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look roger I don't think tobacco should be advertised either, but this is a matter for ducati or dorna or even FIM not casey stoner. This is another case of him being held to different standards than every other motorsport competitor in history. Maybe if he wins multiple world championships and has several hundred million dollars he will come to a sudden realisation and take a moral stance.
refer to my post #22 last paragraph mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 30 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>refer to my post #22 last paragraph mate.
I actually worked in my youth with the guy who was the principal of bugaup (billboard utilising graffiti-ists against unhealthy promotions) who made it their business to deface billboards advertising cigarettes when such billboards were still legal in australia, and pretty much approved of his activities, in that regard anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 30 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>theres some real lame ... comparisons in this thread
vehicles are necessity for most,tobacco is not. no one said tobacco advertising makes you start smoking but it sure glamorizes it which sends out the wrong message to the easily led.
A necissity well use a horse some might say. You have to realize that there are those who will turn teh tobacco thing into something further. I just don't like it and don't believe in it. I feel that parents are the ones to teach and influence not some billboard who in passing just sees it. Noone sits down to bow at the sign and say WOW I want some smokes. And as far as glamorizing bad things look at ALL the womens magazines that promote skinny girls. We as guys love it but could care less about the implications those magazines have on little girls psyches. You can't demonize tobacco and not start to turn the key in another door that leads very much to the same room. Although that one door may seem different but in reality it is very much the same. The debate is more than that of Tobacco and really of the path to giving up the ability to be shown my choices either healthy or non-healthy. Those energy drinks have created health problems for many people and these are almost something new. Are they next?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 30 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To say that smoking is harmful and should therefore be restricted in availablility is actually something I fully agree with, but in Australia (not sure of overseas markets) that is already the case. The law means that you must be older than 16 in order to purchase and in NSW the display is restricted in terms of size and placing, so there are already some actions in place.






Garry
I'm pretty sure it's 18 in every state in Australia.

If smoking is unnecessary and bad for you the answer is simple – ban it. Who remembers from their history classes Al Capone and the prohibition era? The Government knows that if it is banned then there will be a black market and they will get nothing for it. What the Governments also know is that if an anti smoking campaign is too effective then they cut themselves out of a hell of a lot of tax. The same goes for alcohol and poker (gaming) machines.

The government plays a juggling act where on one hand it knows it needs smokers for the revenue and doesn’t need them for the health problems. Same for alcohol, how many team are advertising the latest greatest “smack my .....” juice, because that’s what alcohol is. (Look at all the hype in Australia this week because Greg Bird (NRL player) got pissed and glassed his girl friend).

At a stretch and creating a circular argument the short-term revenue from these bad habits funds schools, hospitals and other government services. Were there an honest philosophy of law then the rather salient point that Son of Doohan made about it being legal so therefore they should be allowed to advertise is true, at the moment there is constitutional and legal barriers to restraining trade and the goods are legal... so why not?

All or nothing principles are great and whilst I don’t really believe them the hypocrisy of allowing something to occur and trying to limit it at the same time offends me more than smoker.

Is it fair to say that there are many things in life that are harmful, such as cigarettes, alcohol, high speed cars and motorcycle, extreme sports and so on. We either allow these things to occur and throw our hands up and declare that there is no injury to the willing “ volenti non fit injuria”, or we stop them. This middle ground of hiding and pretending we don’t like this while raking in a fortune in revenue is what bothers me.

Cigarette advertising is about social honesty. We allow it, governments benefit from it and we shouldn't hide it. That's honest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 30 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look roger I don't think tobacco should be advertised either, but this is a matter for ducati or dorna or even FIM not casey stoner. This is another case of him being held to different standards than every other motorsport competitor in history. Maybe if he wins multiple world championships and has several hundred million dollars he will come to a sudden realisation and take a moral stance.

Rogers head is obviously turned about the subject...

Its just brand awareness, they are not forcing you or your children to buy that product Rog.

Before i smoked i remember being very young watching Ayrton Senna drive around Monaco in his Marlboro red and white car. I knew smoking had a bad name enough via the media to not touch it as a kid.

Its unfortunate theres so many anti smoking people around, smoking doesn't neccessarily mean you won't live a long time. No one knows how long they are going to live because anything can happen in life.

I can think of worse things like hardcore drugs and driving while under the influence of alcohol.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 31 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Same for alcohol, how many team are advertising the latest greatest “smack my .....” juice, because that’s what alcohol is. (Look at all the hype in Australia this week because Greg Bird (NRL player) got pissed and glassed his girl friend).
That case hasn't gone to court yet, although in the court of public opinion he's gone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Aug 31 2008, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That case hasn't gone to court yet, although in the court of public opinion he's gone.


And luckily this is just a place for opinions, however I'm sure there is sufficient for prima facia. On that basis I offer an opinion with no power to convict.

Apparently the Sharkies have a new sponsor - "Birds Eye".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 31 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apparently the Sharkies have a new sponsor - "Birds Eye".
That's funny.