Soup Interview Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 24 2010, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Doesn't matter how many Boppers accept it, Rossi himself has since called it a big mistake.

At least a little part of a ‘Risk’ is a ‘Mistake’, being completely sure about what you are doing involves no risk at all, the more you ‘Risk’ the more chances of messing up which would also represent a bigger ‘Mistake’. But ‘Racing’ itself involves a ‘Risk’ and some people would even call it a ‘Mistake’, not me of course, to me ‘Not’ racing would be the ‘Mistake’.

Too much explaining on my part, and I think I messed up my own idea! I am confused!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 24 2010, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The stupidity is that the Boppers think he was kissingthe track there cos they thought it was an overtaking manuever, whereas in fact he was kissing the track there cos it was so good to get back onto it alive

Then again, was Stoner elbowing Rossi (before) at 250 km/hr a ‘Mistake’ too? Also should Stoner feel so good to be alive too?

By the way, and asking you the same question that I asked TP70: if you can show me an overtake as amassing as Rossi’s at the Corkscrew from any rider, in any bike class competition, at any time… I would admit Rossi’s was NOT biblical, other than that… It is written in Stone……………………..rrr!

usual excellent posts by michael and jumkie

rossis pass almost forced stoner off track ,which, in this part of the track would have led to serious injury. none of stoners passing moves or contact entailed any risk to rossi who was in each case on the inside. a bit of balance please! plus,post race, stoners adrenaline level would have been still very high and emotions strong, so his "bad sportsmanship " although disappointing was at least understandable to a fair observer. as jumkie has stated, rossi has reacted quite strongly to incidents that placed him in much less danger than he put stoner in.

what i find extraordinary is that nobody mentioned the rossi-curse on gibernau following the swept starting position incident years ago. what complete arrogance! if anybody else had dared say anything similar, you would never heard the end of it!

jumkie is completely correct when he says rossis status has enabled him to avoid the scrutiny and reproachment that would occur with any other rider. double standards exist because of his charisma-power. stoners crime is his past history of gracelessness. he is improving, but this persona only gives ammunition to the r-boppers that make no effort to be objective when comparing the two. many forget that each rider adds a huge amount to the spectacle of motogp and are too ready to denigrate the participants. when viewing the laguna 07 race on youtube i was dismayed by the almost universal toxic condemnation of caseys post race response. very few made any attempt to look at the full picture. a portrait of the casual motogp fan-populated by r-boppers im afraid. at least at places like here there is a more reasoned debate that exposes the various angles to each race incident.

please excuse my lack of correct punctuation; broke my arm friday-pinned on saturday, now a one- armed cripple for a while. ride at up to 270kph at pi ( and elsewhere) and what do i do- slip on the frikkin laundry floor- avulsion fracture of olecranon! now pi superbike trip off. not happy.
all sympathy gratefully accepted! well, at least go easy on me for a week while im feeling sorry for myself

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Jan 24 2010, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>usual excellent posts by michael and jumkie

rossis pass almost forced stoner off track ,which, in this part of the track would have led to serious injury. none of stoners passing moves or contact entailed any risk to rossi who was in each case on the inside. a bit of balance please! plus,post race, stoners adrenaline level would have been still very high and emotions strong, so his "bad sportsmanship " although disappointing was at least understandable to a fair observer. as jumkie has stated, rossi has reacted quite strongly to incidents that placed him in much less danger than he put stoner in.

what i find extraordinary is that nobody mentioned the rossi-curse on gibernau following the swept starting position incident years ago. what complete arrogance! if anybody else had dared say anything similar, you would never heard the end of it!

jumkie is completely correct when he says rossis status has enabled him to avoid the scrutiny and reproachment that would occur with any other rider. double standards exist because of his charisma-power. stoners crime is his past history of gracelessness. he is improving, but this persona only gives ammunition to the r-boppers that make no effort to be objective when comparing the two. many forget that each rider adds a huge amount to the spectacle of motogp and are too ready to denigrate the participants. when viewing the laguna 07 race on youtube i was dismayed by the almost universal toxic condemnation of caseys post race response. very few made any attempt to look at the full picture. a portrait of the casual motogp fan-populated by r-boppers im afraid. at least at places like here there is a more reasoned debate that exposes the various angles to each race incident.

please excuse my lack of correct punctuation; broke my arm friday-pinned on saturday, now a one- armed cripple for a while. ride at up to 270kph at pi ( and elsewhere) and what do i do- slip on the frikkin laundry floor- avulsion fracture of olecranon! now pi superbike trip off. not happy.
all sympathy gratefully accepted! well, at least go easy on me for a week while im feeling sorry for myself
Well said.I agree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Jan 25 2010, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>usual excellent posts by michael and jumkie

rossis pass almost forced stoner off track ,which, in this part of the track would have led to serious injury. none of stoners passing moves or contact entailed any risk to rossi who was in each case on the inside. a bit of balance please! plus,post race, stoners adrenaline level would have been still very high and emotions strong, so his "bad sportsmanship " although disappointing was at least understandable to a fair observer. as jumkie has stated, rossi has reacted quite strongly to incidents that placed him in much less danger than he put stoner in.

what i find extraordinary is that nobody mentioned the rossi-curse on gibernau following the swept starting position incident years ago. what complete arrogance! if anybody else had dared say anything similar, you would never heard the end of it!

The Grid Position sweeping incident is often mis-interpreted depending on your POV as Bunyip has above.

As we all know in Qatar sand is a problem and many teams would attempt to clean their starting pos the night before in the early days, Yamaha mechanics witnessed Biaggi's Repsol crew cleaning his start posi, which was an illegal practice, so instead of lodging a protest the Yamaha boys got on their scooters and laid some rubber on VR's.

All of the following is of course rumor and here say. As Max was to suffer the same penalty as VR it was believed that Repsol Honda's protest (Which was the one that brought the decision to punish VR) was directly influenced by Sete, being the one who would most likely benefit most from the punishment dished out the Max and VR. And seeing as the Repsol boys were the first to break the rules it would seem strange that they would push so hard to gain a disadvantage for themselves, other than to help the big 'H' beat VR.

VR of course took major exception to this and proceeded Vilify Sete in the press saying 'He behaved like a baby and a spy'. Interestingly JB also said that he marked the track in exactly the same way with Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner. And thus shortly after the Rossi Curse was placed on Sete, funnily enough it remains true.

At least Sete fought tooth and nail to the last lap at PI for the championship that year, and with some very impressive races in 05, I personally don't believe that VR out-psyched him as much as Max.

Now CS's behavior post Laguna 08, stating 'No, No, No I made a mistake' thus implying that Rossi would not have won if it wasn't for his mistake, IMO, sounds like something you would hear in your local Kindergarten Sandpit.

Draw what relevance you want from these two incidents, no doubt our POV's will determine our conclusions..........once again.

obtuse and irrelevant logic again.

no mention of the curse itself. how can anybody justify-" you will never win again". defend that?

how does "i made a mistake" equate to "you wouldn,t have won"- a quantam leap of logic by paduan physicist trained by readers digest compressed books for young talpas

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Jan 24 2010, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossis pass almost forced stoner off track ,which, in this part of the track would have led to serious injury. none of stoners passing moves or contact entailed any risk to rossi who was in each case on the inside. a bit of balance please!
What balance are you looking for Bunyip? Racing towards the corkscrew the speed is very high and the risk is not being pushed out but that the bike tangles or one hit the others brake handle and Rossi's brake handle were in the danger zone. Another thing to consider is intention. Was it Rossi's intention to push stoner wide as he reentered the track? No way. Was it stoner's intention to push hard and brush by Rossi. Hell yes. I still think it's within acceptable risks, both of them but they are in their own unique way high risk moves nothing less.
a bit of balance please!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>plus,post race, stoners adrenaline level would have been still very high and emotions strong, so his "bad sportsmanship " although disappointing was at least understandable to a fair observer. as jumkie has stated, rossi has reacted quite strongly to incidents that placed him in much less danger than he put stoner in.
I totally agree.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>what i find extraordinary is that nobody mentioned the rossi-curse on gibernau following the swept starting position incident years ago. what complete arrogance! if anybody else had dared say anything similar, you would never heard the end of it!
What about it. It was a very hot issue at the time Gib was still around and especially so as Rossi made his curse stick. Gib never won another race. Nowdays it's just part of the living legend.
That one will be told long after I'm dead, absolutely fantastic.

cs stuck his elbow out to stop lever entanglement- how kind and safety conscious was he- not reciprocated by vr

rossi at corkscrew obviously re-entry was haphazard and a matter of survival. the main point is that a reckless entry caused a dangerous situation. sure, everybody makes mistakes, but then rossi should not glorify the mistake. very clever diversionary tactics by vr? in hindsight a pivotal moment for championship quite possibly and undestandable vr happy with result. could have been a big disaster! but the dilemma is that a near disaster shouldnt be glorified??? rossi fan no issue, motogp fan left confused, cs left confused and angry.

gibernau curse-yours is a typical r-bopper response. a fair fan would be unhappy with it all. gibernau was a great competitor and without him racing in those years would have been greatly diminished. you seem to be happy (like young talpa) to see a great racer diminished. and now, your like try to do the same to cs. poor show from you both. to build your hero up, it is not necessary to drag others down. are you so insecure with your hero, that his opponents need to be belittled or demonised??? that is the mark of the quintessential rossi-bopper

those yellow polaroid glasses blind you from impartial appraisal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Jan 25 2010, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cs stuck elbow out to stop lever entanglement- how kind and safety conscious was he- not reciprocated by vr

rossi at corkscrew obviously re-entry was haphazard and a matter of survival. the main point is that a reckless entry caused a dangerous situation. sure, everybody makes mistakes, but then rossi should not glorify the mistake. very clever diversionary tactics by vr?
Listen to yourself. Stoner put his elbow out for safety reasons, while Rossi praised an incident.
Why did stoner put an elbow out for safety, did he think Rossi didn't see him? Or was it, as it usually are, to mark territory and further distract his competitor?
Safety reasons, that's a good one Strangly enough that's what Max also said when he did the same.
As for Rossi golifying the incident I agree with the principles just not sure that Rossi glorified the actual incident. He said the pass was fantastic, the speed into the corner was fantastic, the rest of that situation was not as glorious and I've never heard him glorifying that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>in hindsight a pivotal moment for championship quite possibly and undestandable vr happy with result. could have been a big disaster! but the dilemma is that a near disaster shouldnt be glorified??? rossi fan no issue, motogp fan left confused, cs left confused and angry.

gibernau curse-yours is a typical r-bopper response. a fair fan would be unhappy with it all. gibernau was a great competitor and without him racing in those years would have been greatly diminished. you seem to be happy (like young talpa) to see a great racer dimiished. poor show from you both. vr glasses blind you from impartial appraisal.
What ever, We are all r-boopers I guess, all the commentators, writers, everyone except a handful of people here at powerslide.
I don't think it's the proudest moment of Rossi's career, my point is not that it's all fantastic but that the arrogance and the fact that he made it stick will forever be part of the Legend Rossi.
As an anti rossi booper I know you will hate this but to me being a fan is not about finding the nicest rider (hayden), I don't mind him being arrogant and to some degree ruthless. I think it was MickD who wrote in this tread that the cork screw thing is very much part of what defines rossi and his fearsome competetivness. You don't go around winning 9 championships by being nice to everyone on the track, you do it with a unique will to win. More than anything that is what he showed at the corck screw, and at Jerez '05 for that matter.

if you admire rossis arrogance and ruthlessness, tell me why stoner doesn,t appeal to you too.
kropotkin called cs,s win at laguna seca 2007 as a doohanesque performance and titled the race report as "demolition man" unless you pick and choose your arguments as a whim, then you would have to be at least partly a stoner fan too! i await your response with anticipation..........

Ah 07 Laguna, the most dominant display in MGP history.

Hence why 08 Laguna just looked like a guy figuring out non-racing means to break the rythm of the guy who did the dominating.

Brake checks, torpedoing, losing control. You may as well just stand at the side of a track and throw bolders and call that "racing incidents"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Jan 24 2010, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you seem to be happy (like young talpa) to see a great racer diminished. and now, your like try to do the same to cs. poor show from you both. to build your hero up, it is not necessary to drag others down. are you so insecure with your hero, that his opponents need to be belittled or demonised??? that is the mark of the quintessential rossi-bopper

those yellow polaroid glasses blind you from impartial appraisal.

I would say the exact same words to the other Rider Boppers, but with a name and color change (Red instead of Yellow):

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 22 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you have it all wrong. Rossi never gravel surfed. He parted the gravel and lead his disciples through. It was a devine moment that is now part of the <u>biblical</u> book of Rossi.


I guess both camps have lots of examples; it’s all part of the fun too I guess!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 24 2010, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What about it. It was a very hot issue at the time Gib was still around and especially so as Rossi made his curse stick. Gib never won another race. Nowdays it's just part of the living legend. That one will be told long after I'm dead, absolutely fantastic.

No, no, no mate… I believe ‘<u>Biblical</u>’ is the word you’re looking for!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 24 2010, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it was MickD who wrote in this tread that the cork screw thing is very much part of what defines rossi and his fearsome competetivness. You don't go around winning 9 championships by being nice to everyone on the track, you do it with a unique will to win. More than anything that is what he showed at the corck screw, and at Jerez '05 for that matter.

Catalunya 09 last lap last turn comes to mind too, and a couple of battles with Biaggi among others.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 24 2010, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah 07 Laguna, the most dominant display in MGP history.

You mean because Stoner in first put 9.865 seconds on Vermeulen in second? What about Pedrosa’s 13.166 seconds on Capirossi in Sachsenring 07, wasn’t that more dominant? Or also Stoner’s 14.666 seconds on Pedrosa in Sepang 09? There’s a 15.004 Rossi on Elias in Brno 08. Lorenzo on Melandri 17.71 in Le Mans 09. But guess what, the top one in the last decade was 22.2 from you know who? Rossi again… Dominant? Numbers keep blistering out of nowhere!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 24 2010, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Brake checks, torpedoing, losing control. You may as well just stand at the side of a track and throw bolders and call that "racing incidents"

Or throw elbows at over 250 km/hr?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 24 2010, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hence why 08 Laguna just looked like a guy figuring out non-racing means to break the rythm of the guy who did the dominating.

Though some ex-MotoGP riders (I think even Doohan) have mention Laguna 08 as one of the best races ever in that track, I wonder why?

I just wish Stoner hadn't wiped out. There was a lot more coming and if he'd have just cooled off a bit and paced Rossi maybe the finish would have been better. I think this year will be the one to see. The bikes will be fairly even. Rossi will be strong and Stoner will be strong. And if aggression is what you want some of the rookies can mix it up as well as anyone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 25 2010, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just wish Stoner hadn't wiped out. There was a lot more coming and if he'd have just cooled off a bit and paced Rossi maybe the finish would have been better. I think this year will be the one to see. The bikes will be fairly even. Rossi will be strong and Stoner will be strong. And if aggression is what you want some of the rookies can mix it up as well as anyone.
I do wonder what the reaction will be if casey ever does collide with rossi given the criticism he attracted for avoiding a collision .

To be honest I don't see much chance of a repeat of a laguna seca type race for no reason other than it relied on there being no third party which is unlikely with lorenzo at least and possibly pedrosa and others interfering with such a one-on one duel in future. I am not sure how much valentino could or would rely on discretion from lorenzo at such close quarters in any case.

Must love Rossi. Must love Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 24 2010, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Must love Rossi. Must love Rossi.

But first love your Compas man!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Jan 25 2010, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>obtuse and irrelevant logic again.

no mention of the curse itself. how can anybody justify-" you will never win again". defend that?

how does "i made a mistake" equate to "you wouldn,t have won"- a quantam leap of logic by paduan physicist trained by readers digest compressed books for young talpas


Did you actually read my post Old Man? You've been drinking with Jum too!! I do note that you you've devoted one line to defending CS in this posts, and the rest attacking Rossi and his supporters, typical CS Bopper.

And as for us seeming liking to see a great racer diminished and building our hero up by putting others down, well I never heard a greater HYPOCRISY!!!

You have just spent the last 3-4 posts ridiculing VR and his supporters as your only argument for defending CS's behavior...........


Keep going bunny, I can't stop laughing!!!


And VH, as usual, excellent work.......its soooooo farcking funny when CS boppers bring up Stats...... ...somehow I don't think they'll see those other dominant performances, its very hard to see with Blood Red Goggles!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 25 2010, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And VH, as usual, excellent work.......its soooooo farcking funny when CS boppers bring up Stats...... ...somehow I don't think they'll see those other dominant performances, its very hard to see with Blood Red Goggles!!

Thanks again mate... Estoril 02 Rossi got 22.2 seconds on Checa in case you were wondering!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 25 2010, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Was it stoner's intention to push hard and brush by Rossi.


Definitely not. Any knowledge of Casey's history knows that he wouldn't do something of that nature.

Okay

So Casey did an interview and he maintained his position.

It would seem that in not rolling on the ground, only the whites of his eyes showing, talking in tongues (or ancient Sumerian) and declaring that he had been bathed in the light from Rossi and that all should repent and ignore the GOLDEN Calf and the Red Ducati and the Honda and even the other Yamaha rider and declare the one true Rossi or bad .... shall rain upon you, fleas will infest, plagues and all of that.

It seems that “toughen up Casey” as a topic starter really is “please give all of the worshipers of Rossi a really good excuse to cry about someone who didn't quiver and urinate with barely contained excitement when in the presence of HIM”.

Inconceivable!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 25 2010, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Definitely not. Any knowledge of Casey's history knows that he wouldn't do something of that nature.
I have not known him to elbow anyone except in this video footage where as I have said he is leaned over as though he is trying to get through the corner rather than anything else.

He certainly took out other riders on occasion as a by-product of his own crashes earlier in his career but I don't recall him going close to taking anyone out in his current incarnation as a factory ducati rider.