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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 22 2010, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Now I've heard it all compa. Yeah, it was Stoner's fault Rossi blew the entry into Corkscrew.... [sarcasm] Watch the vid again, Rossi cuts Stoner's line because he came in way too hot (see his bike out of shape at breaking point), hence running wide at Corkscrew. But then again, videos always lie.

Rossi's on the <span style="color:#ff0000red motorcycle, right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jan 22 2010, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ops, Stoner lends Rossi an elbow:



Was this fair? Or 'Just Racing'? Anyway, does anyone know if this was in the same race, same lap, and even 500 meters before the Corckscrew Event everyone is talking about?

Please tell me you are not making a case to compare this to Rossi's OFF TRACK sequence.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Jumkie mi hermano, realmente te extraño cuando me desconecto en vacaciones invernales de MotoGP!

Eres tan romantico.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jan 22 2010, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi's on the <span style="color:#ff0000red motorcycle, right?
Awesome!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 22 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for this VHMP01 excellent effort mate, i am sure this will shut up few Stoner boppers.
That is coming out of turn 4 into 5, Rossi is running wide trying to take the line away from Stoner (not the other way around genius). Rossi knew Stoner was faster than him, so he had to attempt bonsai moves at every possible opportunity culminating with the corkscrew gravel surfing (a lear mistake that only boppers not willing to admit) and possible brake check leading to Stoner's fall.

Is anybody here (preferably a Rossi bopper ie. Inam, Talpa, Fish, etc.; willing to admit going off track at the Corkscrew is a mistake?

Jumkie you have it all wrong. Rossi never gravel surfed. He parted the gravel and lead his disciples through. It was a devine moment that is now part of the biblical book of Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 23 2010, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you have it all wrong. Rossi never gravel surfed. He parted the gravel and lead his disciples through. It was a devine moment that is now part of the biblical book of Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 22 2010, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you have it all wrong. Rossi never gravel surfed. He parted the gravel and lead his disciples through. It was a devine moment that is now part of the biblical book of Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 23 2010, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you have it all wrong. Rossi never gravel surfed. He parted the gravel and lead his disciples through. It was a devine moment that is now part of the biblical book of Rossi.

Never gravel surfed.... see my sig picture.

There were some awsome, knife edge moves by toth riders in that race, aside from this one.
The pass by Rossi coming in to the corkscrew was an awsome move and got the result, but I think even he admits that he was out of control. Probably (under the circumstances) it was reckless, and probably Rossi was really lucky not to have binned it.
Stoner could have easily taken Rossi out

That single move was probably Championship deciding. Awsome move, but probably not worth that risk.
Probably, had Rossi binned it, Stoner would have won the race, and probably would have had the confidence to go on and win the championship.

Just one more point;\
Had the bikes been switched in that move ;
Rossi passed Stoner round the outside, Stoner dived under Rossi coming in to the Corkscrew, and Stoner ran off track to make the pass, how would opinions on that move differ.
Quite a lot I think.

Well done VH on that.....though as hypocrisy continues Jum likes to point out that VR boppers live in an alternate universe, yet he still hasn't acknowledged this dangerous move from CS, nor has he or other Stoner Boppers pointed out any of the other 'Many' unfair moves by VR........because there are none. So I think Jum you are the only one living in a Drunken dreamland here, and really you aren't succeding at anything other than making yourself look like a complete tosser again.

I'm sure VR didn't intend to go into the gravel at the corkscrew, this is obvious, was it a mistake? Most likely. Did he hold the pass and eventually win the race? And the Championship? YES he did, this sport is about racing for 18 rounds across a WHOLE season, not who is fastest on a given circuit on a given day.......And on that day, VR was clearly the better racer......something you will never admit in your alternate world.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 23 2010, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you have it all wrong. Rossi never gravel surfed. He parted the gravel and lead his disciples through. It was a devine moment that is now part of the biblical book of Rossi.

Any solid argument to add? didn't think so......As usual your just dribbling .... about nothing because your suffering from what all Stonerboppers are infected with....

In medical terms from the latin dialect

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 23 2010, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Any solid argument to add? didn't think so......As usual your just dribbling .... about nothing because your suffering from what all Stonerboppers are infected with....

In medical terms from the latin dialect

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If only you had some talent for wit. TP was funny, this is lame.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jan 22 2010, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie mi hermano, realmente te extraño cuando me desconecto en vacaciones invernales de MotoGP!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 22 2010, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Eres tan romantico.
¿Cuando van a se besean?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 22 2010, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Darn is it on Amazon

Yes. Behold, the illuminated manuscript...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jan 22 2010, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That single move was probably Championship deciding. Awsome move, but probably not worth that risk.
Probably, had Rossi binned it, Stoner would have won the race, and probably would have had the confidence to go on and win the championship.
If rossi had dnfed I agree. If rossi had finished second stoner would still effectively have needed to win 5 of the remaining 7 races; even with the championship in the bag I think rossi had 1 third after practice problems but otherwise finished first or 2nd in these races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jan 22 2010, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner tries to hold on the outside:

Stoner leaning a lot on the outside:

Stoner getting closer:

Ops, Stoner lends Rossi an elbow:

Was this fair? Or 'Just Racing'? Anyway, does anyone know if this was in the same race, same lap, and even 500 meters before the Corckscrew Event everyone is talking about?
Even if this is due to stoner moving in on rossi rather than rossi moving out on stoner as jumkie (who has the advantage of actually being at the race and knowing the track intimately) says, it hardly compares with the corkscrew where rossi forced stoner from one side of the track to the other, oddly without stoner putting an elbow into him despite his dastardly behaviour immediately before . The way stoner's bike is leaned over suggests he is thinking about getting around the corner rather than moving in on rossi, so if the contact was caused by him it seems likely it was a mistake, albeit a smaller one than rossi's at the corkscrew.

Oh my hero video alwyas lie,
So what do you believe in?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 22 2010, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Now I've heard it all compa. Yeah, it was Stoner's fault Rossi blew the entry into Corkscrew.... [sarcasm] Watch the vid again, Rossi cuts Stoner's line because he came in way too hot (see his bike out of shape at breaking point), hence running wide at Corkscrew. But then again, videos always lie.






What I like about this thread: Makes it easy to identify the Rossi bopper from the Rossi fan. One lives in an alternate universe the other lives in reality (nghiemlong lives in neither of the two, he's just plumb dumb.) Seriously, when the conversation starts at this level of lunacy, there is no way two opposing sides can agree. Everything about the above sequence shows that Rossi screwed up (entry & exit), because I can admit it Talpa, Inam, & Babel point out therefore I must not be a fan--so pointing out reality must mean I dislike the man. Yeah, this is the world they live it.

Hope all is well with you my friend.

ummm didnt we come to some sort of agreement over this?

there really is no need for these kind of arguments....

here is my take:

Yes rossi made a "mistake" by going in to hot....he seen an opening and miscalculated the breaking sequence ended up running into the gravel...was it on purpose?....NO...
Did stoner nudge rossi... YES...was it on purpose... NO...he was trying to overtake while holding the line to take the corner going around the outside.

i will be honest as i can and say stoner running into the gravel was his own fault...he also went in to hot but i think that was because rossi made him furious because of the corkscrew inccident, stoner was prob thinking rossi done it on purpose, but i believe rossi didnt as no one will play games at that speed.

i believe if rossi had not of made that "mistake" stoner wouldnt have not run into the gravel and then it would have been a 50/50 chance of either winning... like rossi and lorenzo @ catalunya.

everyone makes errors i have done it on motox bikes many times....when you see a chance you have to take it when adrenaline is running high but it always doesnt work out.... so on the day both riders made mistakes as they are human after all and errors can be made.

so there you have it, settled.....rossi made the first "mistake" and stoner made mistakes of his own.

i have been as unbiased as possible...so if you cant see it how i explained it you need help!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 23 2010, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for this VHMP01 excellent effort mate, i am sure this will shut up few Stoner boppers.


yeah +1 on the thanks

I allways wondered why Rossi lost his cool at the corkscrew entry and blew it monumentally

but when you look at it this way I guess I can see why Rossi was off his face

Reminders of Max. !!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 22 2010, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is anybody here (preferably a Rossi bopper ie. Inam, Talpa, Fish, etc.; willing to admit going off track at the Corkscrew is a mistake?

Jumkie i have no problem in admitting that Rossi made a mistake. He carried too much speed into braking zone and was unable to stop the bike, but every rider make these mistake in every single race where they miss their braking points and go slightly wide. But as you suggested that Rossi should have black flagged is just sounds crazy to me.

To me it was pure racing incident just as where Stoner touched Rossi just before the Corkscrew.