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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 18 2010, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Q. There are a lot of rumors about Rossi and Ducati next year. What are your feelings about Rossi, since we all know that you were upset with him after the race of all races in 2008 Laguna?
Yes it is true. I was really upset and I said many strong words that maybe today I would not. But, I still think the same. People were saying that I was a ....., but I'm the only one that saw the race between me and Valentino--from on the bike. And there were many unfair moves from him in those few laps. For example, the rulebook clearly indicates that if two riders are racing they must stay on the track. In that move in the Corkscrew, Rossi passed me off the track through the gravel. That is incorrect, since he passed me off the track. That is forbidden.
I still think that the race in Laguna 2008 was unfair.
Was a ...... Really??? Thats just crazy! I would never put that in past tense. He is just know figuring out that the sport is dangerous, what a moron.
.... he is lucky he hasn't got a peg to the ankle......yet. It ain't easy to fight for the championship. Well unless your opponents are on inferior machines. cough cough2007 cough.
Yes it is true. I was really upset and I said many strong words that maybe today I would not. But, I still think the same. People were saying that I was a ....., but I'm the only one that saw the race between me and Valentino--from on the bike. And there were many unfair moves from him in those few laps. For example, the rulebook clearly indicates that if two riders are racing they must stay on the track. In that move in the Corkscrew, Rossi passed me off the track through the gravel. That is incorrect, since he passed me off the track. That is forbidden.
I still think that the race in Laguna 2008 was unfair.
Was a ...... Really??? Thats just crazy! I would never put that in past tense. He is just know figuring out that the sport is dangerous, what a moron.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jan 19 2010, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Was a ...... Really??? Thats just crazy! I would never put that in past tense. He is just know figuring out that the sport is dangerous, what a moron.
.... he is lucky he hasn't got a peg to the ankle......yet. It ain't easy to fight for the championship. Well unless your opponents are on inferior machines. cough cough2007 cough.
There's really no defending Stoner here. Great rider, confident and says what's on his mind. I rather enjoy that attitude but there's no defending this argument anymore.
Dubs there's a lot of years that could be put in that category and not just 2007.
There's really no defending Stoner here. Great rider, confident and says what's on his mind. I rather enjoy that attitude but there's no defending this argument anymore.
Dubs there's a lot of years that could be put in that category and not just 2007.
[quote name='inam' post='223359' date='Jan 20 2010, 01:00 AM']In Jerez 08 Stoner went off track 2 or 3 time while attempting overtaking, so if we go with Bmachine, Jumkie and alex29 logic he shouldn't have allowed the rejoin the race than. Get over it you Stoner Boppers!!!!!![/quote]
Thats gold.........
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 06:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Jerez 08 Stoner went off track 2 or 3 time while attempting overtaking, so if we go with Bmachine, Jumkie and alex29 logic he shouldn't have allowed the rejoin the race than. Get over it you Stoner Boppers!!!!!!
Hahaha, That's a good one buddy. I see you're trying to make me bite. You're not gonna succeed in making me insult you guys. You know I love the boppers; who couldn't, you guys provide much comic relief.
It appears you have shown your cards my friend. Shows what you know about racing and legal overtaking. Ask yourself, did Stoner execute a pass (that means complete) when he ran off track?
Cutting the chicane (which is what the corkscrew is with an elevation change) is as legal as passing on a yellow flag...oh wait, who has done that before???
Anyway, all this about Stoner being a whiner/....., hahahaha, how about; 'Please, get rid of my awesome teammate, 'I can't handle the pressure of racing him, its so "unfair", he's benefiting from me being the <u>only</u> person developing a Yamaha.'
This is 10x more in the "....." department than getting run off the race line by an out of control rider attempting to rejoin the track while gravel surfing and barging into my bike. Anybody reading this, what would make your heart rate come up, having a reckless out of control rider hit you at speed or sitting in some media room talking .... to the media that your teammate is actually doing his job and challenging? Ah, double standard? NO.
Hahaha, That's a good one buddy. I see you're trying to make me bite. You're not gonna succeed in making me insult you guys. You know I love the boppers; who couldn't, you guys provide much comic relief.
It appears you have shown your cards my friend. Shows what you know about racing and legal overtaking. Ask yourself, did Stoner execute a pass (that means complete) when he ran off track?
Cutting the chicane (which is what the corkscrew is with an elevation change) is as legal as passing on a yellow flag...oh wait, who has done that before???
Anyway, all this about Stoner being a whiner/....., hahahaha, how about; 'Please, get rid of my awesome teammate, 'I can't handle the pressure of racing him, its so "unfair", he's benefiting from me being the <u>only</u> person developing a Yamaha.'
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 19 2010, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It appears you have shown your cards my friend. Shows what you know about racing and legal overtaking. Ask yourself, did Stoner execute a pass (that means complete) when he ran off track?
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Jumkie take your red glasses off and watch that Jerez race again. Stoner overtaking attempt was alot more dangerous and out of control compare to Rossi's corkscrew move. Stoner nearly wiped other two riders with him as well.
Jumkie you need to learn something from Austin here, you just can't defend CS all the time. I think Jumkie you are not a ture MOTOGP fan if you can't appreciate race like Laguna Seca.
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Jumkie take your red glasses off and watch that Jerez race again. Stoner overtaking attempt was alot more dangerous and out of control compare to Rossi's corkscrew move. Stoner nearly wiped other two riders with him as well.
Jumkie you need to learn something from Austin here, you just can't defend CS all the time. I think Jumkie you are not a ture MOTOGP fan if you can't appreciate race like Laguna Seca.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"Great! I've always wanted this. I like 1000s much more than 800s. The 800s were clearly a mistake from the very beginning for many reasons but also from the aspect of motorcycle manufacturers, since nobody produces or sells an 800cc bikes."
CS gained a few points in my book with that one.
he's still a ..... though style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
CS gained a few points in my book with that one.
he's still a ..... though style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you are not a ture MOTOGP fan if you can't appreciate race like Laguna Seca.
Find where I said or implied it was NOT a great race please. Learn to distinguish my friend. The fact remains, Rossi was out of control on that move; and Stoner, with quick reflexes avoided disaster. Stoner was right in calling Rossi a reckless. Only his blind fans can't see he was a bowling ball at the corkscrew. Talking about ......., somebody remind me what Rossi said about Tony Elias when he some much as brushed up against him in Turkey. Talk about "....."! The corkscrew was 10x worse. After Turkey Rossi was crying bloody murder and it wasn't even a hard move. Double Standard? NO.
(You can't win man, for every point you try and make, Rossi has given the reasonable spectator 20X the fodder to show the double standard of his worshippers).
Find where I said or implied it was NOT a great race please. Learn to distinguish my friend. The fact remains, Rossi was out of control on that move; and Stoner, with quick reflexes avoided disaster. Stoner was right in calling Rossi a reckless. Only his blind fans can't see he was a bowling ball at the corkscrew. Talking about ......., somebody remind me what Rossi said about Tony Elias when he some much as brushed up against him in Turkey. Talk about "....."! The corkscrew was 10x worse. After Turkey Rossi was crying bloody murder and it wasn't even a hard move. Double Standard? NO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 19 2010, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and Stoner, with quick reflexes avoided disaster
some body is suckin' the sack
,come on jum i thought you were a hayden fan
edit: wait a moment...are you fishing?
some body is suckin' the sack
edit: wait a moment...are you fishing?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie take your red glasses off and watch that Jerez race again. Stoner overtaking attempt was alot more dangerous and out of control compare to Rossi's corkscrew move. Stoner nearly wiped other two riders with him as well.
I don't recall stoner being acclaimed for the move though
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I don't recall stoner being acclaimed for the move though
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ngads @ Jan 19 2010, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The fact is that whether it was fair or unfair it was 2 seasons ago and even tho casey was asked about it he still dwells on it. A bigger man would've been like that was a long time ago blah blah and we'll see what happens next year
The flipside of that argument is that if asked his opinion on something the bigger man would have the courage to be himself and give an opinion rather than hiding behind a fake smile.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Jerez 08 Stoner went off track 2 or 3 time while attempting overtaking, so if we go with Bmachine, Jumkie and alex29 logic he shouldn't have allowed the rejoin the race than. Get over it you Stoner Boppers!!!!!!
Yes but Stoner didn't gain an advantage by going off the track, so the mistake was its own penalty. using Jumkie's hypothetical chicane cutting, a rider could not brake, pass 'before the corner' then give up any distance he gained beyond that so he was just in front... Fair?
Penalising Rossi's move would have been heavy handed and really taken the shine off of an event that was so good for the sport, so Rossi gets the benefit of the doubt because it was such a tight call.
The flipside of that argument is that if asked his opinion on something the bigger man would have the courage to be himself and give an opinion rather than hiding behind a fake smile.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Jerez 08 Stoner went off track 2 or 3 time while attempting overtaking, so if we go with Bmachine, Jumkie and alex29 logic he shouldn't have allowed the rejoin the race than. Get over it you Stoner Boppers!!!!!!
Yes but Stoner didn't gain an advantage by going off the track, so the mistake was its own penalty. using Jumkie's hypothetical chicane cutting, a rider could not brake, pass 'before the corner' then give up any distance he gained beyond that so he was just in front... Fair?
Penalising Rossi's move would have been heavy handed and really taken the shine off of an event that was so good for the sport, so Rossi gets the benefit of the doubt because it was such a tight call.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 19 2010, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Find where I said or implied it was NOT a great race please.
Then stop whining Jumkie about the race, will you.
Then stop whining Jumkie about the race, will you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 20 2010, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't recall stoner being acclaimed for the move though
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Because Stoner was completely out of control in that move.
Because Stoner was completely out of control in that move.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 19 2010, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talking about ......., somebody remind me what Rossi said about Tony Elias when he some much as brushed up against him in Turkey. Talk about "....."! The corkscrew was 10x worse. After Turkey Rossi was crying bloody murder and it wasn't even a hard move. Double Standard? NO.
(You can't win man, for every point you try and make, Rossi has given the reasonable spectator 20X the fodder to show the double standard of his worshippers).
Jumkie if my memory serves me right then i think Rossi didn't complain about the move.He only had the problem with Elias changing the lines after the move dangerously too aften but having said that at the time i really didn't agree with Rossi complaining and thought it was very uncharacteristic of Rossi to complain in front of media.
Although Elais took couple of riders with him in next race i think.
Jumkie if my memory serves me right then i think Rossi didn't complain about the move.He only had the problem with Elias changing the lines after the move dangerously too aften but having said that at the time i really didn't agree with Rossi complaining and thought it was very uncharacteristic of Rossi to complain in front of media.
Although Elais took couple of riders with him in next race i think.
I do note that none of you StonerBoppers have pointed out another unfair move in that race, because apparently there were many by VR according to CS.......wonder why
This is really hilarious, ordinarily I wouldn't join in on these threads anymore, however CS's comments just wreak of bad sportsmanship and a very sore loser 18 months on, the defense you lot have is the same old ....
'but VR said this here 3 years ago, and he did that....isn't he a ..... too'
Shouldn't you be defending your man instead of half-assed reciprocating reprisals. Oh .... I forgot, Stoner boppers do this all the time.......why don't you all try to explain his actions?? Why does he still say these things despite apologizing for his behavior post Laguna 08?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lboSRZT2XxI
VR tries to shake CS's hand
CS 'No, No, I made a mistake'
VR 'This is racing Casey, this is racing'
CS 'This is racing? ok we'll see'
Well we did see Casey, you got beaten again and again and again to 2 world titles and counting.
The first line from CS intrigues me the most, what did he mean here? It seems as though CS was very ungracious in defeat, obviously citing VR's win as only existing because of his mistake, therefore not willing to acknowledge it, his cage was very obviously rattled after this race and has been ever since, check out his mannerisms, like a spoilt child who didn't get what he wanted for xmas!!
And for comparo, check out JL's behavior post Catalunya 09, whilst not being passed like the famous corkscrew, most the racing at Catalunya 09 was harder and closer than Laguna 08 all the way to the line. Unlike CS, he knows his comments will always come back to haunt and effect him mentally.
JL's attitude and mental application is why I believe he will be VR's main rival again in 2010.
This is really hilarious, ordinarily I wouldn't join in on these threads anymore, however CS's comments just wreak of bad sportsmanship and a very sore loser 18 months on, the defense you lot have is the same old ....
'but VR said this here 3 years ago, and he did that....isn't he a ..... too'
Shouldn't you be defending your man instead of half-assed reciprocating reprisals. Oh .... I forgot, Stoner boppers do this all the time.......why don't you all try to explain his actions?? Why does he still say these things despite apologizing for his behavior post Laguna 08?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lboSRZT2XxI
VR tries to shake CS's hand
CS 'No, No, I made a mistake'
VR 'This is racing Casey, this is racing'
CS 'This is racing? ok we'll see'
Well we did see Casey, you got beaten again and again and again to 2 world titles and counting.
The first line from CS intrigues me the most, what did he mean here? It seems as though CS was very ungracious in defeat, obviously citing VR's win as only existing because of his mistake, therefore not willing to acknowledge it, his cage was very obviously rattled after this race and has been ever since, check out his mannerisms, like a spoilt child who didn't get what he wanted for xmas!!
And for comparo, check out JL's behavior post Catalunya 09, whilst not being passed like the famous corkscrew, most the racing at Catalunya 09 was harder and closer than Laguna 08 all the way to the line. Unlike CS, he knows his comments will always come back to haunt and effect him mentally.
JL's attitude and mental application is why I believe he will be VR's main rival again in 2010.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then stop whining Jumkie about the race, will you.
The race? Are you able to distinguish between a race and a single move in that race? Buddy, I'd rather not call either of these two men ......., but if we are gonna compare whine for whine, then Rossi is a bigger ..... hands down. Are you now gonna tell me he meant to go off into the gravel at Laguna? I'm sure he knows that this was neither correct nor advisable, though he has never come clean and admitted it, he hasn't manned up (fueling the Faithful). So Inam, lets measure Rossi with the same stick you and others measure Stoner. You want to talk about an awesome race? Lets talk Istanbul 2007. There was scrapping galore in that multiple challengers and one very desperate Rossi trying to keep Stoner at bay. So much was his desperation (reminiscent of Laguna) that he ran wide and into the fast turn 11 at about 180 mph. Tony Elias caught Rossi and crowed his line (thing like going off track like Rossi); then Rossi proceeded in dropping back like a little girl (at least Stoner had the composer to finished 2nd at Laguna). Ah, you should have heard Rossi post race whine and complain and accuse Elias of being "reckless & dangerous". Hahaha. Stoner went on to win that race and a scrappy Elias came 2nd, Rossi, visibly shaken came in at 10th (but had no lack of support as he blamed it on his tires, talk about ungracious in defeat).
Would you like me to go on?
EDIT: I just read your other reply, which I agree with a bit more. BTW, Elias apologized to Rossi during the race by raising a leg.
The race? Are you able to distinguish between a race and a single move in that race? Buddy, I'd rather not call either of these two men ......., but if we are gonna compare whine for whine, then Rossi is a bigger ..... hands down. Are you now gonna tell me he meant to go off into the gravel at Laguna? I'm sure he knows that this was neither correct nor advisable, though he has never come clean and admitted it, he hasn't manned up (fueling the Faithful). So Inam, lets measure Rossi with the same stick you and others measure Stoner. You want to talk about an awesome race? Lets talk Istanbul 2007. There was scrapping galore in that multiple challengers and one very desperate Rossi trying to keep Stoner at bay. So much was his desperation (reminiscent of Laguna) that he ran wide and into the fast turn 11 at about 180 mph. Tony Elias caught Rossi and crowed his line (thing like going off track like Rossi); then Rossi proceeded in dropping back like a little girl (at least Stoner had the composer to finished 2nd at Laguna). Ah, you should have heard Rossi post race whine and complain and accuse Elias of being "reckless & dangerous". Hahaha. Stoner went on to win that race and a scrappy Elias came 2nd, Rossi, visibly shaken came in at 10th (but had no lack of support as he blamed it on his tires, talk about ungracious in defeat).
Would you like me to go on?
EDIT: I just read your other reply, which I agree with a bit more. BTW, Elias apologized to Rossi during the race by raising a leg.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie if my memory serves me right then i think Rossi didn't complain about the move.He only had the problem with Elias changing the lines after the move dangerously too aften but having said that at the time i really didn't agree with Rossi complaining and thought it was very uncharacteristic of Rossi to complain in front of media.
Yea. Tony didn't do anything remotely dangerous at Istanbul. He and Rossi sort of drifted towards each other in the braking zone and they made minor contact. Tony then took away the clean line and forced Valentino out into the 'badlands' where the track was dirty. Bumping through the marbles, Rossi nearly lost the front a few seconds later. This put a big kink in his frillies and he accused Elias of 'dangerous riding' or some similar '.....' language.
1:35 into the video:
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Imagine the uproar if Tony had pulled a Corkscrew Banzai on #46 at Laguna!
Yea. Tony didn't do anything remotely dangerous at Istanbul. He and Rossi sort of drifted towards each other in the braking zone and they made minor contact. Tony then took away the clean line and forced Valentino out into the 'badlands' where the track was dirty. Bumping through the marbles, Rossi nearly lost the front a few seconds later. This put a big kink in his frillies and he accused Elias of 'dangerous riding' or some similar '.....' language.
1:35 into the video:
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Imagine the uproar if Tony had pulled a Corkscrew Banzai on #46 at Laguna!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 19 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The flipside of that argument is that if asked his opinion on something the bigger man would have the courage to be himself and give an opinion rather than hiding behind a fake smile.
To add, Rossi has been asked but has not admitted it was incorrect for him to go off track. I think if it were the fastest line we would have seen it by other riders including him a long time ago. Despite admission, he simply outbroke himself and tried desperately to save it and force a pass, hence going wide and into the dirt. Was it spectacular? Yes. Was it correct? No. I've seen plenty of races at Laguna, and frankly the general consensus is, if you go into the gravel on that very tricky section, its because you did something wrong. That he saved it and Stoner quickly reacted to avoid disaster is what made it so amazing. But make no mistake, it was incorrect. Sure, I can praise Rossi for saving it, but I can't agree with people who somehow think it was fantastic 'racecraft'. It was simply an act of desperation that didn't end in a crash.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Yes but Stoner didn't gain an advantage by going off the track, so the mistake was its own penalty. ...
Penalising Rossi's move would have been heavy handed and really taken the shine off of an event that was so good for the sport, so Rossi gets the benefit of the doubt because it was such a tight call.
Race direction in most cases is completely useless. It doesn't have the balls to penalize such a high profile rider even when it can NOT be argued it was a short cut couple with an advantage gained.
To add, Rossi has been asked but has not admitted it was incorrect for him to go off track. I think if it were the fastest line we would have seen it by other riders including him a long time ago. Despite admission, he simply outbroke himself and tried desperately to save it and force a pass, hence going wide and into the dirt. Was it spectacular? Yes. Was it correct? No. I've seen plenty of races at Laguna, and frankly the general consensus is, if you go into the gravel on that very tricky section, its because you did something wrong. That he saved it and Stoner quickly reacted to avoid disaster is what made it so amazing. But make no mistake, it was incorrect. Sure, I can praise Rossi for saving it, but I can't agree with people who somehow think it was fantastic 'racecraft'. It was simply an act of desperation that didn't end in a crash.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Yes but Stoner didn't gain an advantage by going off the track, so the mistake was its own penalty. ...
Penalising Rossi's move would have been heavy handed and really taken the shine off of an event that was so good for the sport, so Rossi gets the benefit of the doubt because it was such a tight call.
Race direction in most cases is completely useless. It doesn't have the balls to penalize such a high profile rider even when it can NOT be argued it was a short cut couple with an advantage gained.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jan 19 2010, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine the uproar if Tony had pulled a Corkscrew Banzai on #46 at Laguna!
He would have been immediately black flagged for dangerous riding, which is what should have happened to Rossi. But like the phantom yellow flag incident...it just never happened.
It was so obvious Rossi was using every dirty trick to keep Stoner at bay. Stoner had set lap record after lap record that entire weekend. Rossi knew the only way to hold off Stoner was to block and bully.
He would have been immediately black flagged for dangerous riding, which is what should have happened to Rossi. But like the phantom yellow flag incident...it just never happened.
It was so obvious Rossi was using every dirty trick to keep Stoner at bay. Stoner had set lap record after lap record that entire weekend. Rossi knew the only way to hold off Stoner was to block and bully.
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