Soup Interview Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 19 2010, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is really hilarious, ordinarily I wouldn't join in on these threads anymore, however CS's comments just wreak of bad sportsmanship

...the defense you lot have is the same old .......
Explain how Stoner's post race comments and Rossi's post race comments: Laguna 08/Istanbul 07 are not to be measure with the same stick. Both said their rivals were out of line and wrong. Yet Stoner is vilified and Rossi is the victim of Elias' recklessness? How does this make sense in the logical universe? Either they are both "......." (are you ready and willing to admit your superhero is a "....." OR they are both correct in their assessment of the incident (you wouldn't admit Stoner had a valid point would you?)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He would have been immediately black flagged for dangerous riding, which is what should have happened to Rossi. But like the phantom yellow flag incident...it just never happened.
Jumkie after that statement all i can say you must have too much tequila.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Explain how Stoner's post race comments and Rossi's post race comments: Laguna 08/Istanbul 07 are not to be measure with the same stick. Both said their rivals were out of line and wrong. Yet Stoner is vilified and Rossi is the victim of Elias' recklessness? How does this make sense in the logical universe? Either they are both "......." (are you ready and willing to admit your superhero is a "....." OR they are both correct in their assessment of the incident (you wouldn't admit Stoner had a valid point would you?)
Atleast Rossi wasn't complaining about the move after 18months like stoner still doing it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 19 2010, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Atleast Rossi wasn't complaining about the move after 18months like stoner still doing it.
Put a mic in Rossi's face today and ask him if he still stand behind his statement that Elias was dangerous in Istanbul.

Anyway, I'm surfing the net and came across this vid. LINK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 20 2010, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Atleast Rossi wasn't complaining about the move after 18months like stoner still doing it.

Complaining about it What a ...... .... Have a listen to yourself buttercup

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 19 2010, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was so obvious Rossi was using every dirty trick to keep Stoner at bay. Stoner had set lap record after lap record that entire weekend. Rossi knew the only way to hold off Stoner was to <u>block and bully.</u>

Well, for better or worse, that IS part of racing.

I think Casey made two mistakes that day.

The first was the strategic decision to back off after narrowly dodging the 'Corkscrew Bomber.' At the time, his "WTF was that? Time to chill out and think about it." response was probably correct. In hindsight, I think Casey should have fought back immediately and barged his way past, even if this entailed some risk to the riders. Once on his back foot, Stoner's race was in jeopardy. Rossi is very good at throwing opponents off stride. IMO, a quick, forceful counterstrike is almost mandatory when racing him. Racing Rossi cleanly will only encourage more bullying. (I think that's why Elias got under VR's skin so often: The guy enjoyed hard racing, was utterly bonkers, and was more than willing to reply in kind to any challenge.)

Casey's overly(?) cautious approach led to his unnecessary tactical mistake at T11.
Yea, Rossi was dicking around with his brake points, but when you follow in someone's wheel tracks long enough, something like this can and will happen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 18 2010, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes it is true. I was really upset and I said many strong words that maybe today I would not. But, I still think the same. People were saying that I was a ....., but I'm the only one that saw the race between me and Valentino--from on the bike. And there were many unfair moves from him in those few laps. For example, the rulebook clearly indicates that if two riders are racing they must stay on the track. In that move in the Corkscrew, Rossi passed me off the track through the gravel. That is incorrect, since he passed me off the track. That is forbidden.

I so enjoy the way the usual suspects have overlooked the first part of CS's statement and focussed on the second component despite many of these same suspects having called CS's comments 'unsprtsmanlike', 'rubbish' or simply 'whining'.

His opening statement to me reads as him acknowledging that whet he said andt he manner in which he said it was incorrect and that he recognises it, something people (the critics) have called for, yet now when it comes they overlook it.



Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>then Rossi is a bigger ..... hands down.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So much was his desperation (reminiscent of Laguna) that he ran wide and into the fast turn 11 at about 180 mph.

I see what you mean

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 02:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He would have been immediately black flagged for dangerous riding, which is what should have happened to Rossi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It was so obvious Rossi was using every dirty trick to keep Stoner at bay.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>For the record, I am a Rossi fan
You could have fooled me.

That was quotings from this single post alone. A couple of days of your postings would have filled a full page of negative comments towards Rossi. Strangest fans we find today.
But I'll give you one thing J. No one can accuse you of being a Rossi booper. A Stoner booper most certainly but not a Rossi Booper.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He would have been immediately black flagged for dangerous riding, which is what should have happened to Rossi. But like the phantom yellow flag incident...it just never happened.

It was so obvious Rossi was using every dirty trick to keep Stoner at bay. Stoner had set lap record after lap record that entire weekend. Rossi knew the only way to hold off Stoner was to block and bully.
Hahahahahahahahaha

oh, oh stop it jum, you are drinking too much!

Would Elias have been black flagged? I think not as it was the corkscrew, bit hard to see that apex coming, and if the move was the same race direction wouldn't have seen it as illegal.

As for the second part of this post, well I'm still pissing myself, would have you been happy if vr just sat in behind and instead of getting one of the best races of the 800cc era we would have got another boring precession

block and bully? This is racing jumkie, this is racing

hahahahahahahahaha please keep it up

I'm still waiting to hear about all the other unfair moves

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To add, Rossi has been asked but has not admitted it was incorrect for him to go off track.

I think Rossi's failiure to admit guilt in this case (or similarly Jerez 05) says less about his human nature (as in is he honest/man enough to come clean) than it does about his competative nature. In both cases it is important not to show remorse. Firstly so that the other riders involved are left feeling as though Rossi's ruthless actions will be repeated if necessary, its always gonna be intimidating to ride against someone you KNOW is prepared to do things you are not to win. Secondly to avoid penalties or other action from race direction, if Rossi said in the post race press conference or when called before race direction that he was desperate and not completely in control then they are much more likely to penalise him than if he plays it down calmly and maintains that it was just hard racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jan 20 2010, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, for better or worse, that IS part of racing.

I think Casey made two mistakes that day.

The first was the strategic decision to back off after narrowly dodging the 'Corkscrew Bomber.' At the time, his "WTF was that? Time to chill out and think about it." response was probably correct. In hindsight, I think Casey should have fought back immediately and barged his way past, even if this entailed some risk to the riders. Once on his back foot, Stoner's race was in jeopardy. Rossi is very good at throwing opponents off stride. IMO, a quick, forceful counterstrike is almost mandatory when racing him. Racing Rossi cleanly will only encourage more bullying. (I think that's why Elias got under VR's skin so often: The guy enjoyed hard racing, was utterly bonkers, and was more than willing to reply in kind to any challenge.)

Casey's overly(?) cautious approach led to his unnecessary tactical mistake at T11.
Yea, Rossi was dicking around with his brake points, but when you follow in someone's wheel tracks long enough, something like this can and will happen.
I think rossi conned him before the race, with talk that stoner was so fast in practice that the race was a foregone conclusion. What stoner shouldn't have done was let rossi past him in the first place, so that he couldn't then employ blocking tactics which was why rossi was so desperate not to give way to stoner at the corkscrew; if stoner had got past there he would have been gone. Rossi was of course entitled to take any line he chose once in the lead. People wiser than most or all us (I think kevin schwantz) also said he made a tactical error at the corkscrew by sticking to the inside; he was entitled to be on the racing line but if he had got out of rossi's way rossi would have ended up across the track and stoner again could have taken off into the distance.

The corkscrew incident was illustrative of rossi's absolute will in that he would not give up the corner no matter the cost; I believe at least some of stoner's attitude may have been due not to being intimidated by rossi but rather a belief that employment of similar tactics may not be so available to him . In retrospect he probably should have done as you suggest and pulled a similar hard move immediately.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He would have been immediately black flagged for dangerous riding, which is what should have happened to Rossi. But like the phantom yellow flag incident...it just never happened.

It was so obvious Rossi was using every dirty trick to keep Stoner at bay. Stoner had set lap record after lap record that entire weekend. Rossi knew the only way to hold off Stoner was to block and bully.

Thats total bollocks Jumkie, yes Stoner was flying and was expected to run away with it but somehow Rossi found a set up that worked. Look at the 1st lap, Stoner was offski, .5 of a sec up, Rossi closed the gap and passed him before the corkscrew, after that it was dog fight. No bullying whatsoever. Blocking? Well thats part of racing is it not?

These threads are like broken records....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Jan 20 2010, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats total bollocks Jumkie, yes Stoner was flying and was expected to run away with it but somehow Rossi found a set up that worked. Look at the 1st lap, Stoner was offski, .5 of a sec up, Rossi closed the gap and passed him before the corkscrew, after that it was dog fight. No bullying whatsoever. Blocking? Well thats part of racing is it not?

These threads are like broken records....


To only part of this thread that was worth reading

Comment from a loser, whining like a baby. . I still remember that jumkie said he IS a Rossi fan, but he just uses any dirty trick in this forum to insult Rossi. .

BIG LOSER.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He would have been immediately black flagged for dangerous riding, which is what should have happened to Rossi. But like the phantom yellow flag incident...it just never happened.

It was so obvious Rossi was using every dirty trick to keep Stoner at bay. Stoner had set lap record after lap record that entire weekend. Rossi knew the only way to hold off Stoner was to block and bully.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jan 20 2010, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, for better or worse, that IS part of racing.

I think Casey made two mistakes that day.

The first was the strategic decision to back off after narrowly dodging the 'Corkscrew Bomber.' At the time, his "WTF was that? Time to chill out and think about it." response was probably correct. In hindsight, I think Casey should have fought back immediately and barged his way past, even if this entailed some risk to the riders. Once on his back foot, Stoner's race was in jeopardy. Rossi is very good at throwing opponents off stride. IMO, a quick, forceful counterstrike is almost mandatory when racing him. Racing Rossi cleanly will only encourage more bullying. (I think that's why Elias got under VR's skin so often: The guy enjoyed hard racing, was utterly bonkers, and was more than willing to reply in kind to any challenge.)

Casey's overly(?) cautious approach led to his unnecessary tactical mistake at T11.
Yea, Rossi was dicking around with his brake points, but when you follow in someone's wheel tracks long enough, something like this can and will happen.
It's too bad that Elias isn't in the premier class this season. An absolute shame. One of the best pure racers in the world. Given time to settle into a team, I think he is capable of multiple podiums a year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nghiemlong @ Jan 20 2010, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whining like a baby.
I guess that's why you're such a great Rossi bopper--both are whiners and cry babies. At what point did you transition from being a fan to being a cult-worshipper so tied up in his persona that you have no ability to reason?

Rossi ...... up that move and Stoner's quick reactions avoided disaster. Every time Rossi has been crowded, that other rider has been vilified. That's why Max Biaggi was run out of the sport, because when he could, he wouldn't back down to Rossi. Just like Lorenzo now, Rossi is actively trying to eliminate such a challenge. Only the fools are so taken by his persona and cannot see beyond the glare of their hero.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi ...... up that move and Stoner's quick reactions avoided disaster. Every time Rossi has been crowded, that other rider has been vilified. That's why Max Biaggi was run out of the sport, because when he could, he wouldn't back down to Rossi. Just like Lorenzo now, Rossi is actively trying to eliminate such a challenge. Only the fools are so taken by his persona and cannot see beyond the glare of their hero.
Jumkie you must be a biggest ..... on this planet if you know all these things about Rossi but despite all these negative things you still his fan or atleast you say so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 20 2010, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi ...... up that move and Stoner's quick reactions avoided disaster. Every time Rossi has been crowded, that other rider has been vilified. That's why Max Biaggi was run out of the sport, because when he could, he wouldn't back down to Rossi. Just like Lorenzo now, Rossi is actively trying to eliminate such a challenge. Only the fools are so taken by his persona and cannot see beyond the glare of their hero.

Ya got a good point there, Jum.