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You'll never be as good as Rossi because he's the goat, blah blah blah
Clearly a balanced and intelligent individual...
I bet this bloke hated having to give Lorenzo 1 star. Surely Lorenzo deserves no stars.

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I would also like to add that if Jorge leaves, I feel a good chunk of the responsibility lands on Lin Jarvis. I understand he has people he has to answer to, but he could do more to keep Valentino in his place. I would personally be embarrassed having one of my employees act in such a manner. So what if Valentino gets pissed. What's he going to do, go to Aprilia...


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The big winner if Lorenzo leaves Yamaha is Marquez. Since he arrived in GP to today, Lorenzo has finished ahead of Marquez in 26 of 56 races or 46%, 7 of which were for victories. Compared to the other riders, its not even close. Marquez has to be secretly hoping Lorenzo takes on the Ducati challenge.
 
In my opinion only Marquez and Lorenzo are currently suitable for the Ducati challenge as it won't be easy wrestling the title from the Japanese giants...
 
I would have to sell my FZ6 and get a Duc....



I had an FZ6. It was a fun bike. Unfortunately loose gravel and a curb were the death of it. Looking at new bikes, but I should stick with Yamaha (have relation that is a regional sales manager. )
 
I had an FZ6. It was a fun bike. Unfortunately loose gravel and a curb were the death of it. Looking at new bikes, but I should stick with Yamaha (have relation that is a regional sales manager. )



Love my FZ6.. Perfect middle ground sports bike. Can run the twisties with the best of them, or toss on some saddle bags and go for a weekend ride.

Once a year I get the wild hair to upgrade, then I settle back down and realize the old FZ6 is the perfect second bike.

Regrading gravel, yes.. I know what you mean. Mine looks more like the naked Euro versions thanks to my error in some gravel.
 
Love my FZ6.. Perfect middle ground sports bike. Can run the twisties with the best of them, or toss on some saddle bags and go for a weekend ride.

Once a year I get the wild hair to upgrade, then I settle back down and realize the old FZ6 is the perfect second bike.

Regrading gravel, yes.. I know what you mean. Mine looks more like the naked Euro versions thanks to my error in some gravel.



I put some Power Pilot 3s on mine and it was a blast to ride. My crash actually happened after an afternoon of spirited riding. Putting through town, took a corner and the front end slid out. Front end slammed into a curb and tweaked the forks and the steering stem of the frame.
 
I would also like to add that if Jorge leaves, I feel a good chunk of the responsibility lands on Lin Jarvis. I understand he has people he has to answer to, but he could do more to keep Valentino in his place. I would personally be embarrassed having one of my employees act in such a manner. So what if Valentino gets pissed. What's he going to do, go to Aprilia...


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Absolutely agree. The tone of Jarvis since the Rossi-debacle has been telling. He's tried to protect Rossi and the underlying message I detect is, Lorenzo can like it or leave it. Yes, yes, the words are right coming out of his mouth, but I'm not convinced. A buddy of mine mentioned this to me a while back, and pointed out Lin's inclination toward Rossi, it's as if the brand principals had already decided they were going to go for the big marketing push into perpetuity and Lorenzo is secondary in that plan. This assertion my detractors can chalk up to my biases, subterfuge; I accept that. It's just a feeling i get. I was just texting another buddy last night that when Yamaha tendered the contract to both riders before Qatar and Rossi signed it immediately (despite his claim of waiting several races) the 'writing was on the wall'.

For me it's part of the overall narrative and environment the Rossi-Dorna partnership has created in this sport which bothers me. Anybody who denies it's existence is blind at best. Iowegian, I know you were a fair Rossi supporter, and frankly there truly are many honest good supporters of Rossi and other riders. Some like and admire his qualities. Others admire his Machiavellian cunning ability to get his way! I know the man is super talented on a motorcycle, this is not the debate at all (though often it's the fallacy used as a debate tactic). I've watched enough GP to understand, as others have said, Rossi is a great motorcycle racer. However I'm also acutely aware of the toxic power political environment the Rossi-centric sphere Carmelo has created. It has provided tangible and untold intangibles that have made his operation in the sport untouchable and vastly overstated in the record books.

It's this environment that affects people operating in this sphere which i believe impacts the proceedings not just for Rossi but detrimental to others. We see microcosm of it all around us, we are all familiar with it in our local lives, yet when we see it play out in this sport it seems we are willing to view it in a bubble. I swear it's fascinating stuff. I guess that's the reality of sport. As if the regular inclinations of humans in highly charged political environments suddenly don't apply.

I mentioned this next point after last year's Rossi debacle: the working environment for Marquez (and Lorenzo ) has become toxic!


Maybe some of you may not relate to a bad working environment, to you I say well done; but I've worked in an environment once that was unpleasant, the supervisor was a total bitch, it took the fun out of being at work. Lucky for me I was able to go to another job. But maybe some can relate to say an unhappy relationships where you felt stuck, or an ....... family member, or having to deal with an ....... boss or jerk coworker that is protected because of his connections.

On this forum basically everything we assert may be challenged. For the most part that's a good thing. It's why I said above anyone can chalk up my assertion about Lin Jarvis' attitude towards Rossi and Lorenzo as bias (or dismiss as "conspiracy" though the word doesn't really apply, but that's never stopped anyone from misusing the term).

I believe Casey Stoner left the sport specifically because of this toxic Rossi-centric environment created and facilitated by Dorna and leveraged by Rossi to crush and eliminate his rivals. Admirable? Debatable. Marquez said something to the effect, it's one thing to command media attention and influence, it's quite another to use that against someone (you can include the entire sphere of influence in this statement: fans, paddock, organizer, officials, etc.) The message is clear in that assertion.

Consider this, having a potential world champion, and surely one of the current greatest talents on a motorcycle retired is a reflection of the toxic Rossi-centric reality; and I'd say it's an indictment of the reality that Lorenzo and Marquez now have to operate in. We can all say, oh these guys are strong they can just brush it off their shoulders, but I doubt anybody here could. .... we all get bent when someone so much as disagrees with a post or are annoyed when someone 'likes' a post we disagree with.

The fact is Lorenzo and Marquez are currently being jeered in public for some made up crime Rossi has accused them of, seriously his accusation is UFO sighting type stuff, and his rabid fans have bought it hook line sinker reel. It's the court of public opinion which is now expressing their guilty conviction, it's similar to the greater society except much much worse because MotoGP is akin to a niche fandom, overwhelmingly made of Rossi cult. This is the new reality for Marquez and Lorenzo. Who here thinks that doesn't produce resentments? A natural human response.
 
I can appreciate some psychological warfare, as to ride at this level one has to be as strong mentally as well as physically. I can even tolerate a bit of arrogance, as on has to believe they truly are the best to be at the top of this sport. I cannot, however, overlook the ridiculous behavior Rossi has haste last several months. At PI, I was just shaking my head. At Sepang, I felt MM ....... with him was him getting what he asked for. And yea, I do feel he was intentionally ....... with him. Nothing illegal or wrong with that. The running off the track and possible kick (I was admit I am not 100% sure either way, was the turning point. I wanted to see the two of them ride hard against each other the whole race. Up to that point was some spectacular racing on both of their parts. But Vale proved he was overwhelmed, and couldn't continue on. Nothing would have made me happier than them two continue like that the whole race. Then him being a chickenshit and not doing the presser. I'm sorry, my dad taught me to be a man, and own your actions. If he couldn't handle answering for it, he should have slowed down and let MM pass. Then the whole sham that was the entire Sepang weekend. Not much else can be said about all of the pre race ..... As far as the race itself. Perhaps MM was helping Jorge (once again, I can't say with absolute certainty.)So ....... what, Vale deserved it. I always knew Vale would make it back up toward the front. He is on the best bike, and is still one of the best riders on the grid. I have been a Smith supporter previously, but as hard as he fought Vale during the race really endeared him to me. Post race: lap of honor? Bitch please.

Interestingly enough, the other day I watched Valencia 06 again. At the end of the race, anyone know where Carmelo was at the end. Was he congratulating the New world champion? No, he was in the Camel Yamaha garage...


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What's going to forever kill me with that lap of honor .... at the end of Valencia is that it completely undermined and overshadowed Jorge Lorenzo's performance. We were treated to one of the most stellar single race performances across all motorsport that I have ever seen...and in the end the narrative remained about Valentino Rossi. As time goes by, Lorenzo's performance at Valencia '15 will be forgotten by most.
 
What's going to forever kill me with that lap of honor .... at the end of Valencia is that it completely undermined and overshadowed Jorge Lorenzo's performance. We were treated to one of the most stellar single race performances across all motorsport that I have ever seen...and in the end the narrative remained about Valentino Rossi. As time goes by, Lorenzo's performance at Valencia '15 will be forgotten by most.

I don't like Lorenzo and I definitely don't cheer for him, but when he is at his best there is not a single person that can touch him. Absolute perfection on a bike is rare to see and you better remember it when you do see it.
 
What's going to forever kill me with that lap of honor .... at the end of Valencia is that it completely undermined and overshadowed Jorge Lorenzo's performance. We were treated to one of the most stellar single race performances across all motorsport that I have ever seen...and in the end the narrative remained about Valentino Rossi. As time goes by, Lorenzo's performance at Valencia '15 will be forgotten by most.

Not by the ones who matter :)
 
Anyone see Dylan interview Rossi?

If Lorenzo goes, apparent options for the open seat Maverick, Iannone or Pedrosa.

Very interesting...
 
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If Iannone gets it over Vinales, then I will know for sure Rossi has chosen him.
 

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