Should Casey be punished

Jumkie said:

Cool. So does this mean we all gonna share drinks at Silverstone? Oh, BTW, now that you no longer support Rossi since he took that Marlboro sponsorship, and .... on his word as a man, who we gonna root for besides Nicky? Should I bring a couple of Stoner tshirts?

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Geonerd said:

Rog, tell me this is some upside-down joke?! Please!



Somehow I doubt you'll be singing the same "Law and Order Must Be Maintained!" song the next time some crypto-nazi cop busts you for going 2KPH over the limit in your 500HP turbo-Godzilla car.

Today is the first time I've seen Rog-the-Closet-Bopper fully come out into the light. But please tell me you aren't that far gone... are you?

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Gecko Hunter said:

Hi All,



This is certainly an interesting thread to say the least.



IMO I would have to say that by that if the FIM truly had an issue with Casey's position in regard to going back on the track, being the big boys they are they would have fined him by now.



If however he is judged to have broken the law fine him simple.



I didn't even realise he had "gone back on the track" and when I read the title of this thread my interest was certainly peaked.



When I started reading the thread I thought that Casey had actually run back on to the actual circuit (bitumen) and hurled abuse at Rossi.



Then I looked at the image and there is Casey a metre maybe a couple I guess in front of the marshal's (still clearly on the grass) indicating his admiration of Vale's move on him.



I also believe that the marshals are suppose to be behind the wall until an accident occurs so they don't get hit by the bike or rider or both also.



I would think its a rather drastic overstatement to say that Casey was endangering lives etc. given all the distractions riders put up with anyway i.e. marshals running of the track from helping fallen riders or retrieving debris or different coloured flags waving or even hundreds of camera flash going of all the time.



I'm a Casey fan and do think that Rossi is the favoured one, but seriously do you really think he was endangering other riders lives?

It really has to be stretching it to think that.



Flame me if you like but its just my attempt at trying to look at the situation as it should be which is very simple:



If Casey is in the wrong fine him.



But to draw any more out of the situation is a bit extreme.



Cheers



Gecko

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Gaz said:

Now to address Rog's thread.



Rog, I have not fully seen the incident to which you refer where CS jumps the wall etc on film, so can only use your linked pics as a guide which raise a few questions that need clarifying so if people want to level headedly reply, please do.



1. Was CS on pit wall or elsewhere?



2. When CS jumped off the wall, did it instigate a 'yellow flag' situation within the sector in question?



For mine, using the pictures as a guide he was not on the track itself, but was within it's perimeter and what is (when racing is occurring) referred to as 'the racing precinct/track'. So, totally agree, he should not have jumped from the wall onto the grassed area and I will say that yes, he should consider himself somewhat fortunate not to have been fined.





However, to say that he should be suspended is (IMO) nothing short of gross over-reaction and perhaps some fishing on your part (successful as well

).



To suspend a rider for the actions woudl open a very large can of worms indeed as to teh ture reason for the suspension.



Were it 'bringing the sport into disrepute' thence surely punching a fellow rider is a greater offence, as is shoving marshalls and doctors, ignoring race direction/black flags etc etc, we could go on. Stoner's actions did not constitute endangering of others as he was not on teh racing surface nor did he place himself into a possible 'line' should a fall have happened as teh result of his 'behaviour'



Now, let us say that the issue is he was inside the fence (as seems to be one issue that people have taken offence to), then what do you do you call 'excessive or unnecessary' time inside a fence. Can a rider who has crashed and has tried to pick his/her bike up for excessive time fall victim to the same judgement?



What about a rider who has a mechanical issue, has dropped oil and stays inside the fence waving at riders to avoid his oil, shiould they also be fined/suspended?



Or is the issue that he showed sarcastic contempt for VR with his applause the real issue?



For that he has nothing to be sorry about nor to face sanctions over as precedents have been set numerous times from ... dolls on motorbikes through to stares, leg waving and mimicking of others.



Basically, yes a fine for re-entering the 'live' area unnecessarily, but that is all that is warranted IMO









Gaz

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Jumkie said:

Excellent. Who could forget Pedrosa's .... reaction to Nicky. Arrogant fool. Man, you really nailed it by bringing up Fabrizio. I remember it clearly, he didn't even try to pick up his own bike and immediately tried to hug Spies. I was pissed at the moment, because Spies was in the title hunt as you recall. I did have some choice posts for Fabrizio, but I mentioned his genuine feeling of remorse. He later made a "I love you Ben" sign which still give me a chuckle for its corny gay Euroness. What Rossi should have done is got up and tried pushing Stoner's bike. Now that would have been an epic gesture (I'm serious). Rossi totally ...... up. He is not a contender this year. His points mean .... to the title favorite, and he should know this. He did great in getting back up and finishing the race, but had he done this, man, I think it would have gone a long way in forgiveness. I'm not sure he even looked back at Stoner.

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woody996 said:

Geez Chopper, you seem to have a real dislike for Australians at the moment. They are the target of all of your jokes. Just because we are Aussies doesn't mean we are in love with Casey Stoner.

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Son of Doohan said:

If you were around a few years earlier you'd realise Reggie has always had it in for Aussies, because we don't sit back submissively and listen to his ........ without commenting on it. Go to the 07 threads for lots of vitriol against Stoner and his fans. Go back another year to here Reggie slate Hayden and Hayden fans.

Reggie was laughing about the crash, his total lack of respect for Stoner shining through as usual. Just remember that Reggie was part of the Rossi cult, until Rossi decided that tobacco sponsorship was ok again, so Reggie couldn't follow Rossi anymore as #46 had gone back on his word. Personally I think Reg hasn't actually left the cult but I can't prove that. Maybe when he gets rid of his #46 tattoo I'll believe him.

So there we have it - Rossi crashes into Stoner in a stupid manouevre and yet all Reg can think about is having Stoner fined! He even starts a thread about it here. And Reg wonders why he cops the abuse off us! You see Reg loves abusing people but he just does it in PM's as he's been in hot water before. Let's just say that he likes threatening other members over the internet - especially ones smarter than himself, which is pretty much everyone here bar Talps, Nino and Rob.

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