My understanding is that Stoner hit the cut out switch in the fall rather than deliberately and that if he'd got a more significant push, rather than just one marshal he might have got started
Should Casey be punished
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I think he did try to restart. He mounted, and signaled them to push.
When Edwards ran off, he got off his bike because it had turned off. Then when the marshals got to him, he got back on. He asked them to push, then he did that butt smack against the seat move to jump start the bike.
I'm not sure what happened to Stoner's bike after he attempted to remount and restart. Maybe something happened to the bike? Not sure.
Seriously Reg, your hatred of Stoner knows no bounds with this obviously trolling thread. But you have to get your hatred out somewhere I suppose. Maybe you could go threaten Tom or something. That might calm you down a bit.
Insightful post. I merely asked a question. besides me and Tom are mates now
its all good
Insightful post. I merely asked a question. besides me and Tom are mates now
There's no need for any insight for this thread.
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Insightful post. I merely asked a question. besides me and Tom are mates now
Cool. So does this mean we all gonna share drinks at Silverstone? Oh, BTW, now that you no longer support Rossi since he took that Marlboro sponsorship, and .... on his word as a man, who we gonna root for besides Nicky? Should I bring a couple of Stoner tshirts?
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Rog, tell me this is some upside-down joke?! Please!
Somehow I doubt you'll be singing the same "Law and Order Must Be Maintained!" song the next time some crypto-nazi cop busts you for going 2KPH over the limit in your 500HP turbo-Godzilla car.
Today is the first time I've seen Rog-the-Closet-Bopper fully come out into the light. But please tell me you aren't that far gone... are you?
Just when I'm allowing myself to be convince that this forum is Internet gold, Rog comes along and jumps the fuggin shark with this thread..........oh well...
Which guy were you saying doesn't think the rules and conventions of racing apply to him roger?.
Hi All,
This is certainly an interesting thread to say the least.
IMO I would have to say that by that if the FIM truly had an issue with Casey's position in regard to going back on the track, being the big boys they are they would have fined him by now.
If however he is judged to have broken the law fine him simple.
I didn't even realise he had "gone back on the track" and when I read the title of this thread my interest was certainly peaked.
When I started reading the thread I thought that Casey had actually run back on to the actual circuit (bitumen) and hurled abuse at Rossi.
Then I looked at the image and there is Casey a metre maybe a couple I guess in front of the marshal's (still clearly on the grass) indicating his admiration of Vale's move on him.
I also believe that the marshals are suppose to be behind the wall until an accident occurs so they don't get hit by the bike or rider or both also.
I would think its a rather drastic overstatement to say that Casey was endangering lives etc. given all the distractions riders put up with anyway i.e. marshals running of the track from helping fallen riders or retrieving debris or different coloured flags waving or even hundreds of camera flash going of all the time.
I'm a Casey fan and do think that Rossi is the favoured one, but seriously do you really think he was endangering other riders lives?
It really has to be stretching it to think that.
Flame me if you like but its just my attempt at trying to look at the situation as it should be which is very simple:
If Casey is in the wrong fine him.
But to draw any more out of the situation is a bit extreme.
Cheers
Gecko
This is certainly an interesting thread to say the least.
IMO I would have to say that by that if the FIM truly had an issue with Casey's position in regard to going back on the track, being the big boys they are they would have fined him by now.
If however he is judged to have broken the law fine him simple.
I didn't even realise he had "gone back on the track" and when I read the title of this thread my interest was certainly peaked.
When I started reading the thread I thought that Casey had actually run back on to the actual circuit (bitumen) and hurled abuse at Rossi.
Then I looked at the image and there is Casey a metre maybe a couple I guess in front of the marshal's (still clearly on the grass) indicating his admiration of Vale's move on him.
I also believe that the marshals are suppose to be behind the wall until an accident occurs so they don't get hit by the bike or rider or both also.
I would think its a rather drastic overstatement to say that Casey was endangering lives etc. given all the distractions riders put up with anyway i.e. marshals running of the track from helping fallen riders or retrieving debris or different coloured flags waving or even hundreds of camera flash going of all the time.
I'm a Casey fan and do think that Rossi is the favoured one, but seriously do you really think he was endangering other riders lives?
It really has to be stretching it to think that.
Flame me if you like but its just my attempt at trying to look at the situation as it should be which is very simple:
If Casey is in the wrong fine him.
But to draw any more out of the situation is a bit extreme.
Cheers
Gecko
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"I don't know, maybe he doesn't know exactly who I am!" Rossi said to Italia1 television. "But it's okay, it's fair enough, he's angry and I would be too. I've made a mistake and for me it was important to apologise. I'm not so interested in what he says."
http://www.autosport...utm_medium=site
:lol:
Stoner (rightly, IMO) questioned Rossi's ability. I'm glad I'm not the only one to interpret Rossi's answer and subsequent pandering to the Italian Media as WAAAY-Over-the-Top Arrogance. I truly believe the guy has started to believe the perpetual hype about how awesome he is.
As for the actual 'apology,' I believe that being SEEN apologizing to Casey was, for Rossi, FAR more important than actually feeling or expressing remorse. As Kesh (I think) pointed out, if he wanted to come across as sincere, he'd have left the cameras and helmet behind, and snuck in the back door for an eye-to-eye "I'm truly sorry. I ...... up." Instead we got the typical arm waving body language that just screams, "I'm playing to the camera." If I were Stoner, I'd be pissed too. IMO, no apology would be better than the staged-for-the-media ........ Rossi subjected him to. The sarcasm and anger are, from my POV, entirely understandable.
So, IS Rossi truly sorry for screwing someone else's race?
If forced to judge based on the Repsol scene and subsequent Italian TV interview, I'd have to say "No, he could give a .... less." At what point does focussed narcissism (important for any successful athlete) transition into full blown sociopathy? (A complete lack of empathy for others.) I'm not sure Rossi is quite up there with Schumacher, but over the last few years, every time he opens his mouth he inches a little closer in my eyes. Poor form, Valentio, VERY poor form.
Hi all,
Have lurked around here for the last few years & couldn't let this rubbish slide so I have signed up to become part of the banter.
How Casey can be vilified for his reaction to Rossi's attempt at controlling a Ducati is beyond beleif. I think that this incident has highlighted a completely new species of Rossi supporters in the evolutionary tree. I have come to accept the term bopper as someone who is a fan of a particular rider, but overall, a fan of Moto GP. I think we need to adopt a new term from another industry famous for burning rubber, "FLUFFER". Those who are now so colour blind as to only recognise yellow may now be refered to as Rossi "Fluffers". Whenever Rossi need his "ego" stroked, Rossi fluffers can jump in (but you will have to cue as there are quite a few) as the marshalls did. When Rossi "ego" has been fluffed enough, they can all sit in a circle & fluff each other. I think all the sensible people on this site are aware who shall be refered to as fluffers & if you are unsure just have a look at those on this thread saying Rossi was not in the wrong & Stoner should be fined.
We'll, that's my first post. Catch Ya'all Later. Peace.
Have lurked around here for the last few years & couldn't let this rubbish slide so I have signed up to become part of the banter.
How Casey can be vilified for his reaction to Rossi's attempt at controlling a Ducati is beyond beleif. I think that this incident has highlighted a completely new species of Rossi supporters in the evolutionary tree. I have come to accept the term bopper as someone who is a fan of a particular rider, but overall, a fan of Moto GP. I think we need to adopt a new term from another industry famous for burning rubber, "FLUFFER". Those who are now so colour blind as to only recognise yellow may now be refered to as Rossi "Fluffers". Whenever Rossi need his "ego" stroked, Rossi fluffers can jump in (but you will have to cue as there are quite a few) as the marshalls did. When Rossi "ego" has been fluffed enough, they can all sit in a circle & fluff each other. I think all the sensible people on this site are aware who shall be refered to as fluffers & if you are unsure just have a look at those on this thread saying Rossi was not in the wrong & Stoner should be fined.
We'll, that's my first post. Catch Ya'all Later. Peace.
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Hi all,
Have lurked around here for the last few years & couldn't let this rubbish slide so I have signed up to become part of the banter.
How Casey can be vilified for his reaction to Rossi's attempt at controlling a Ducati is beyond beleif. I think that this incident has highlighted a completely new species of Rossi supporters in the evolutionary tree. I have come to accept the term bopper as someone who is a fan of a particular rider, but overall, a fan of Moto GP. I think we need to adopt a new term from another industry famous for burning rubber, "FLUFFER". Those who are now so colour blind as to only recognise yellow may now be refered to as Rossi "Fluffers". Whenever Rossi need his "ego" stroked, Rossi fluffers can jump in (but you will have to cue as there are quite a few) as the marshalls did. When Rossi "ego" has been fluffed enough, they can all sit in a circle & fluff each other. I think all the sensible people on this site are aware who shall be refered to as fluffers & if you are unsure just have a look at those on this thread saying Rossi was not in the wrong & Stoner should be fined.
We'll, that's my first post. Catch Ya'all Later. Peace.
Welcome!
"Fluffer"
A motorcycling term is born!
(Those not familiar may wish to consult The source of all worthy knowledge. )
Geo, this is actually my take on it as well.
I do not believe that the apology was a sign of genuine remorse for the incident one bit, but instead a public relations exercise by Team Rossi in an effort to appease his fans and lessen the impacts of the fault in the incident. Personally I also strongly suspect that Rossi went to the Repsol garage with the entourage and media in tow to try to elicit a 'Lagunaesque' response from Stoner but instead (IMO) got somewhat 'owned' by a ready for the situation Stoner.
In short, for me Rossi by taking the entourage and full media with him made an effort to 'bully' (by weight of numbers) Stoner, and for me it failed.
I totally agree with the take that if Rossi (in this case) was genuine then he would have made the apology in private (as some have apparently) but to be fair to him, he is a media darling and m,aking things private is not his best attribute and no doubt the media would have wanted to be there.
For mine, genuine remorse was Michel Fabrizio when he took Spies out in the WSBK a few years back, and by that I mean Fabrizio's actions at the scene of the accident, not the 'sorry Ben' signs. Afterall, and I may have missed it but di VR apologise by a simple hand gesture (as is common when one rider knows they have wronged) at the time?
Straight up - NO.
But then the other side is 'should he be sorry'?
I ask that as IMO this is high end sport and we see each and every day where athletes do actions that cause issue with others and yet no apology is issued, particularly within the Motorsports arena. Whilst we in teh general population may feel an apology is needed many within the athletic world would say 'that is the nature of the sport, so suck it up'.
gaz
Now to address Rog's thread.
Rog, I have not fully seen the incident to which you refer where CS jumps the wall etc on film, so can only use your linked pics as a guide which raise a few questions that need clarifying so if people want to level headedly reply, please do.
1. Was CS on pit wall or elsewhere?
2. When CS jumped off the wall, did it instigate a 'yellow flag' situation within the sector in question?
For mine, using the pictures as a guide he was not on the track itself, but was within it's perimeter and what is (when racing is occurring) referred to as 'the racing precinct/track'. So, totally agree, he should not have jumped from the wall onto the grassed area and I will say that yes, he should consider himself somewhat fortunate not to have been fined.
However, to say that he should be suspended is (IMO) nothing short of gross over-reaction and perhaps some fishing on your part (successful as well
).
To suspend a rider for the actions woudl open a very large can of worms indeed as to teh ture reason for the suspension.
Were it 'bringing the sport into disrepute' thence surely punching a fellow rider is a greater offence, as is shoving marshalls and doctors, ignoring race direction/black flags etc etc, we could go on. Stoner's actions did not constitute endangering of others as he was not on teh racing surface nor did he place himself into a possible 'line' should a fall have happened as teh result of his 'behaviour'
Now, let us say that the issue is he was inside the fence (as seems to be one issue that people have taken offence to), then what do you do you call 'excessive or unnecessary' time inside a fence. Can a rider who has crashed and has tried to pick his/her bike up for excessive time fall victim to the same judgement?
What about a rider who has a mechanical issue, has dropped oil and stays inside the fence waving at riders to avoid his oil, shiould they also be fined/suspended?
Or is the issue that he showed sarcastic contempt for VR with his applause the real issue?
For that he has nothing to be sorry about nor to face sanctions over as precedents have been set numerous times from ... dolls on motorbikes through to stares, leg waving and mimicking of others.
Basically, yes a fine for re-entering the 'live' area unnecessarily, but that is all that is warranted IMO
Gaz
Rog, I have not fully seen the incident to which you refer where CS jumps the wall etc on film, so can only use your linked pics as a guide which raise a few questions that need clarifying so if people want to level headedly reply, please do.
1. Was CS on pit wall or elsewhere?
2. When CS jumped off the wall, did it instigate a 'yellow flag' situation within the sector in question?
For mine, using the pictures as a guide he was not on the track itself, but was within it's perimeter and what is (when racing is occurring) referred to as 'the racing precinct/track'. So, totally agree, he should not have jumped from the wall onto the grassed area and I will say that yes, he should consider himself somewhat fortunate not to have been fined.
However, to say that he should be suspended is (IMO) nothing short of gross over-reaction and perhaps some fishing on your part (successful as well
To suspend a rider for the actions woudl open a very large can of worms indeed as to teh ture reason for the suspension.
Were it 'bringing the sport into disrepute' thence surely punching a fellow rider is a greater offence, as is shoving marshalls and doctors, ignoring race direction/black flags etc etc, we could go on. Stoner's actions did not constitute endangering of others as he was not on teh racing surface nor did he place himself into a possible 'line' should a fall have happened as teh result of his 'behaviour'
Now, let us say that the issue is he was inside the fence (as seems to be one issue that people have taken offence to), then what do you do you call 'excessive or unnecessary' time inside a fence. Can a rider who has crashed and has tried to pick his/her bike up for excessive time fall victim to the same judgement?
What about a rider who has a mechanical issue, has dropped oil and stays inside the fence waving at riders to avoid his oil, shiould they also be fined/suspended?
Or is the issue that he showed sarcastic contempt for VR with his applause the real issue?
For that he has nothing to be sorry about nor to face sanctions over as precedents have been set numerous times from ... dolls on motorbikes through to stares, leg waving and mimicking of others.
Basically, yes a fine for re-entering the 'live' area unnecessarily, but that is all that is warranted IMO
Gaz
