Sachsenring GP Race Discussion

Jumkie said:

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Well your quoting way out of context (as you know full well) Your quotes are not moans from rossi fans about stoner passing him. There just pointing out that stoner would undoubtly moan if a similar move were put on him and givin his normal post race interviews i think its not unfair to assume this.

My spite comment had nothing to do with the pass or stoner beating rossi. Its was about his medical comments regarding rossi riding while injured.

So stop putting your inane spin on the obvious to big up stoner purley because it feeds your rossi hatred and get packing your cases

By the way, i hope you have a bottle of pirate juice so you can drink in my memory Say hi to the guys for me bro.

chopperman said:

Well your quoting way out of context (as you know full well) Your quotes are not moans from rossi fans about stoner passing him. There just pointing out that stoner would undoubtly moan if a similar move were put on him and givin his normal post race interviews i think its not unfair to assume this.

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Geez, you're hard headed (or have you been on the Pirate Juice?). The quotes ARE to give you context. They are "moaning", and you can add, whining and crying to characterize Stoner. That, my friend, is in fact "spite"--small-minded malice comment to humiliate. (Actually, very similar to Rossi’s comments about Stoner “at least he won’t whine this time…”)

My spite comment had nothing to do with the pass or stoner beating rossi. Its was about his medical comments regarding rossi riding while injured.

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Spite. Its a word you need to learn. Here is a good example below:

"It was a great battle with Stoner, congratulations to him. If it happened the other way around he would surely have cried like he did after Laguna Seca [in 2008], but this is racing.

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^^^ SPITE



Who is "moaning" you asked? Don't you find it interesting that the Boppers are echoing these very sentiments? Amazing isn't it? He is moaning about the pass my friend, just like the Boppers!

By the way, i hope you have a bottle of pirate juice so you can drink in my memory

Say hi to the guys for me bro.

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Of course compa. You know we will be talking about you, so ignore the ringing in your ears.

Latest motogp fans

it took 38 mins for Docs to get Randy's boot off.



And Haystack leathers Lft elbow.



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Did anyone hear the funny story Spalding told during the Moto2 class?



A bunch of Moto2 people went out to Aragon to have a look at the circuit and get some setup ideas and what not. A few other GP riders were there as well including Nicky Hayden. He went out on a production bike (didn't disclose the brand) and commenced to blow the engine in just 5 laps. Maybe he should stay in MotoGP. I don't know if a WSBK can handle his abuse.

mylexicon said:

Nicky Hayden. He went out on a production bike (didn't disclose the brand) and commenced to blow the engine in just 5 laps.

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Italian motorcycles, not exactly the model of reliability.

Pigeon said:

Latest motogp fans

it took 38 mins for Docs to get Randy's boot off.

And Haystack leathers Lft elbow.



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Duh A little slow on on the uptake today. I was going to ask what had I missed.

I didn't remember Hayden crashing this Sunday and then realized he was dragging his

elbow, on the left side naturally.



About Depuniet... that's nuts. WTF - if he was not otherwise in danger ie: concussion or

likely damage due to internal bleeding - why on earth would they not just shoot his ... up

with a whopping pain killer and get the boot off quickly?

Jumkie said:

Wait a minute, didn't you say not to degenerate the conversation? Reading you trying to defend Rossi's ... here then saying Stoner was out of line is amusing; but not surprising. I'll give you this J4rno, I don't mind exchanging with you because despite your leaning toward bopperism, you posses some ability to debate, unlike the bottom dwellers. So Rossi, the hypocrite says "at least he won't whine this time" (perhaps he forgot he did so to Elias, but the whole of the sport dismiss it when he did it) and you are gonna now split hairs in the ...-for-tat that the medical part is off limits? Why? Simply because Rossi didn't mention it? Rossi has had his well documented whining, not limited to on-the-track incidents either, even whines about his own teammate's status. Why is it off limits to call out the overhype of Rossi's injury by the media? Its not like the media (not shy about playing up to the Boppers) are exactly impartial. And you are incorrect, Stoner didn't dismiss the injury, he just said lets not continue to overhype it and gave some insight as to the rustiness a rider experiences from being off the bike. While you are "feeling sorry for him" do you also feel sorry for Rossi when he sticks his foot in his mouth while whining? I'll give you its a ...-for-tat; but lets not all go crucifing Stoner if you are not willing to call out Rossi when he makes similar poor taste commentary, or as you guys like to gloss it over by calling it "Rossi's mind games" when in fact its Rossi being a ......

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You just don't get Rossi's humor, undoubtely because you have to read it (poorly) translated and cannot listen to it live.

Look, I am one of the few who has acknowledged Stoner as a rider on a par with Rossi, and always defend him. But I felt sorry for him for those unfortunate remarks, and I mean it. Rossi's teasing is light-hearted and calls for a reply at the same level: but telling someone who had his leg half-detached from the body six weeks ago, that he's hyping it, that's bad taste.

Tom said:

Do you actually expect me to believe that your judgement of Rossi's injury is more relevant than Stoners? Do me a favour

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You are surly not doing your self any favors today

I never said my judgment are more relevant than Stoners, but it sure as hell is more relevant than yours.

YOU claimed that Stoners analysis are far more qualified than anyone on here, I called you on that because it is ......... Although Stoner might know a lot he is still a young guy with (time)limited experience so he sure aint no specialist on the subject. If we talked about Dohan or the likes (almost any veteran from the 500 era ) that would be a different matter.

Stoner might know a little more or little less, that's not the point, the point is that there are people here that can judge Rossis injuries and at a level similar to Stoner.

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You just don't get Rossi's humor, undoubtely because you have to read it (poorly) translated and cannot listen to it live.

Look, I am one of the few who has acknowledged Stoner as a rider on a par with Rossi, and always defend him. But I felt sorry for him for those unfortunate remarks, and I mean it. Rossi's teasing is light-hearted and calls for a reply at the same level: but telling someone who had his leg half-detached from the body six weeks ago, that he's hyping it, that's bad taste.

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I don't entirely disagree with your opinion J4n, that's why I'm saying both were ...-for-tat. You characterize Rossi's spiteful comment as "light hearted" but then say Stoner's was in bad taste, that's what I disagree with. And to be fair, Stoner didn't say Rossi was overhyping his injury, he said the "media" were doing so. He said he (Rossi) deserves credit, but others with similar injury would not get such attention (media) and hype. This is the difference, Rossi straight made a spiteful comment about Stoner himself (a childish one at that) whereas Stoner took a ... at the media. Poorly translated? Ok, did he say "whine" or "cry"? Really, does it make a difference?

Babelfish said:

I never said my judgment are more relevant than Stoners, but it sure as hell is more relevant than yours.

YOU claimed that Stoners analysis are far more qualified than anyone on here, I called you on that because it is ......... Although Stoner might know a lot he is still a young guy with (time)limited experience so he sure aint no specialist on the subject. If we talked about Dohan or the likes (almost any veteran from the 500 era ) that would be a different matter.

Stoner might know a little more or little less, that's not the point, the point is that there are people here that can judge Rossis injuries and at a level similar to Stoner.

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That web is pretty sticky your trying to spin out of. Its simple dude, Stoner didn't make some diagnosis like a physician would, he said the media were hyping the whole thing. He (Stoner) simply reminded us that others have raced with serious injury too (fact). I'm not a physician, I just play one on TV.... BTW, where were you when we had a bunch of physicians and physiologist (and mindreaders to boot) when people were expressing their diagnosis of Stoner's injury? Oh wait, you don't argue with Boppers. do you?

J4rn0 said:

but telling someone who had his leg half-detached from the body six weeks ago, that he's hyping it, that's bad taste.

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I don't think he was claiming that Rossi alone was responsible for the hype, just that there was hype that was out of proportion to the reality. Which is true

Babelfish said:

Stoner might know a little more or little less, that's not the point, the point is that there are people here that can judge Rossis injuries and at a level similar to Stoner.

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I completely disagree

Jumkie said:

I don't entirely disagree with your opinion J4n, that's why I'm saying both were ...-for-tat. You characterize Rossi's spiteful comment as "light hearted" but then say Stoner's was in bad taste, that's what I disagree with. And to be fair, Stoner didn't say Rossi was overhyping his injury, he said the "media" were doing so. He said he (Rossi) deserves credit, but others with similar injury would not get such attention (media) and hype. This is the difference, Rossi straight made a spiteful comment about Stoner himself (a childish one at that) whereas Stoner took a ... at the media. Poorly translated? Ok, did he say "whine" or "cry"? Really, does it make a difference?

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What did i miss, what was said ??

Jumkie said:

I know you like to hide behind the “lost in translation” card, but while reading, try to decipher ‘meaning’ (its actually part of the comprehension process). Even monkeys can pronounce words on a card but to extrapolate meaning, especially nuance, is a higher process of which I've become aware you are not capable of . Read the quotes above about the pass, your fellow boppers above, its not that hard to detect spite, their not-so-hidden feelings.



...should I continue about how the same Boppers moaning about the pass are also moaning about Stoner's mind games comments?

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As I said earlier in this tread it's currently to clowns here. BM and you. It's sad to see you sinking down to a level of BM in your own way of course. It's not like you are driveling like BM, instead your "quest" against Rossi fans has reached a level where there is ABSLOUTLY ZERO CONTENT from you. There is no addition to any discussion unless it's about how hopeless Rossi fans are. In addition you've become so fanatic that it's clearly clouding your judgment and reading. The Jumkie I knew from '06 are far gone, insetead this clown has taken his place. Going all out on an absolutly lost case; You quoted them yourself: NONE are complaining about the pass, but they are making the usual fun of Stoner, so what?

Jumkie said:

That web is pretty sticky your trying to spin out of. Its simple dude, Stoner didn't make some diagnosis like a physician would, he said the media were hyping the whole thing. He (Stoner) simply reminded us that others have raced with serious injury too (fact). I'm not a physician, I just play one on TV.... BTW, where were you when we had a bunch of physicians and physiologist (and mindreaders to boot) when people were expressing their diagnosis of Stoner's injury? Oh wait, you don't argue with Boppers. do you?

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I don't know if it's any use what so ever to make a reply to you any more. Sadly it's become a full duplex conversation with no reciver in the other end.

It was not me who said Stoner made a diagnosis. Take that out on Tom, he was the one who declared that Stoner has a medical degree or three.

Tom said:

I completely disagree

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Well, THATS something you couldn't possibly be qualified to judge. Cal it an opinion if you like, it's still nothing but .........

Babelfish said:

The Jumkie I knew from '06 are far gone, insetead this clown has taken his place.

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Yeah, I'm the crazy one eh? Can I borrow your Xray eyes (the ones you've used to tell us fantastic and amazing statements from the comfort of fence along the track) so I can see clearly what people post? Like I said, if you can't see these fools moaning and complaining at every thing Stoner does, then really, nothing to discuss. Even you here trying to exaggerate Stoner's comments (typical Bopper/Stoner hater). Again, Stoner is in a unique position to make such a comment. But peeps then try to make his opinion (like you) as if its outrageous and irrelevant. So I call you on it, and what do you do? Oh Jum, you just wind up boppers. Nobody is claiming Stoner to have a degree in medicine, though you tried to deflect from your weak as debating skill.



Simple, is Stoner in a position to comment on what might be the most difficult part of getting bike after injury? (answer this). About the hype, is he not in a unique position to make a relevant comment about media in the sport? (answer this) Herein lies the focus of the discussion. But you want us to believe that Stoner know nothing right? Oh, he's not a doctor so he doesn't know .....



Oh, and about my Bopper bashing, here is the thing, the Bops have gone into high gear as of late. Do you think debating a brick wall is profitable? Not really, so I'm having fun with them (and you). I'm well aware that you and the Bops (Talpa, Inam, Woody, etc) make themselves look stupid, I know you don't need my help, but its fun anyway.

Babelfish said:

As I said earlier in this tread it's currently to clowns here. BM and you. It's sad to see you sinking down to a level of BM in your own way of course. It's not like you are driveling like BM, instead your "quest" against Rossi fans has reached a level where there is ABSLOUTLY ZERO CONTENT from you. There is no addition to any discussion unless it's about how hopeless Rossi fans are. In addition you've become so fanatic that it's clearly clouding your judgment and reading. The Jumkie I knew from '06 are far gone, insetead this clown has taken his place. Going all out on an absolutly lost case; You quoted them yourself: NONE are complaining about the pass, but they are making the usual fun of Stoner, so what?

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+1, completely agree with you, he comes with same rubbish again and again i think he is completely lost his mind. Probably time for him to visit mental hospital.

this was a good race for a change. the lead was sorted out quite early IMO and congrats to pedders, jlo and casey. the special mention to the doc and hopes that RdP and espargaro recover quickly.



as for this thread, its getting mighty ....... tiresome sifting through the .... to find anything other than Bopper fire-fighting. has motogp got so .... that the things that generate the most posts are what happens AFTER the race? instead of during it?



FFS

Babelfish said:

he was the one who declared that Stoner has a medical degree or three.

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I looked, but for some reason I can't find anybody telling us Stoner has a degree in medicine. Well expect those telling use Stoner is not in a unique position to make a reasonable opinion about injuries and comeback in the sport he's only know for all his life.

Babelfish said:

And stoner are dead wrong when says it not at all remarkable.

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You see Fish, this is why I lump you in with the Boppers. Because of your lack of truth, perception of reality, and honest attempt to discuss the issues. So I admit, I digress with the Mindless Worshippers. Keep in Mind that the Boppers/Stoner Haters are still stuck on the Duc is the reason for Stoner's pass, or that his comments are unbecoming, etc etc. Stoner did not say Rossi's comeback was unremarkable (as you dishonestly exaggerate above). But this is typical, since everything the man does or says is taken negatively. This is why there is lack of debate. Reading the ........ that you and your like spew, so what do I do, have a little fun. The difference is that you guys are so weak that you get fluster, or like the inam and talpa, become so unoriginal that they use my lines. Hahaha. And I sit back and laugh at you.



You know you don't want to debate Babel. Why, because you can't win the argument, not when you start with an Indefensible position (as all Boppers do).



Ok, which point do you want to debate? Lets start with:



1. Stoner is not in a position to comment on injuries and combacks. (yeah what does he know about this...he's not a doc, he's only been racing since he was a kid).

BigAl said:

this was a good race for a change. the lead was sorted out quite early IMO and congrats to pedders, jlo and casey. the special mention to the doc and hopes that RdP and espargaro recover quickly.



as for this thread, its getting mighty ....... tiresome sifting through the .... to find anything other than Bopper fire-fighting. has motogp got so .... that the things that generate the most posts are what happens AFTER the race? instead of during it?



FFS

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Well said that man!!