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I only hope those who have been bitching about Rossi's move against Gibernou, aren't supporting Stoner's pass this time.
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Hanging someone out to dry in the last turn, looked like there may also have been slight contact. Same move as Rossi pulled on gibbers 05 jerez, the move rossi still gets slated for by the usual crowd.
Come on Rog, those 2 passes have nothing in common , except they were both called passes. What Rossi did in 2005 was, foot down, bonzai punt job. Stoner simply suprised Rossi and made him flinch,. and pick up the bike for an instant.. It was textbook pass. Not so much in 2005, even though i loved it.
Well jum certainly takes the cake here for highest pile of ........!!! And with baz and co around that's saying something.
Some are just so obsessed with hating rossi fans that when any other riders fans sprout large piles of ........, they simply can't or won't call them out. So that either makes them a closet fan of say Stoner, or a complete tool.......Either way it's farcking funny!!
Some are just so obsessed with hating rossi fans that when any other riders fans sprout large piles of ........, they simply can't or won't call them out. So that either makes them a closet fan of say Stoner, or a complete tool.......Either way it's farcking funny!!
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Hanging someone out to dry in the last turn, looked like there may also have been slight contact. Same move as Rossi pulled on gibbers 05 jerez, the move rossi still gets slated for by the usual crowd.
I didn't see Stoner take an extreme angle into the corner and slam Rossi. Maybe I missed it? Maybe I need new glasses?
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He did touch Rossi but noone (neither Rossi nor Stoner) made a deal out of it. It was nothing that shouldn't happen in a race at that level.
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I never said that Caseys Duck was dog slow. I said that the other bikes are quicker of the turns. THATS IT no other hyped up crap.
Obviously the bike is quick only a fool would say otherwise, a bike that consistently runs top 3 is quick.
I think your digging to deep.......
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Actually I saw a Yamaha blowing smoke on the track... But probably you would blame that on the fact that their racing team is based in Italy.
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I don't entirely disagree with your opinion J4n, that's why I'm saying both were ...-for-tat. You characterize Rossi's spiteful comment as "light hearted" but then say Stoner's was in bad taste, that's what I disagree with. And to be fair, Stoner didn't say Rossi was overhyping his injury, he said the "media" were doing so. He said he (Rossi) deserves credit, but others with similar injury would not get such attention (media) and hype. This is the difference, Rossi straight made a spiteful comment about Stoner himself (a childish one at that) whereas Stoner took a ... at the media. Poorly translated? Ok, did he say "whine" or "cry"? Really, does it make a difference?
He said "frignare" which means "whine". But when you do not listen to a joke, but just read it, it is difficult to judge the tone, isn't it. One can project anything on the words, same as happens here in the forum, although we have emoticons to help a bit.
I can accept your interpretation of Stoner's comment, as directed to the media and not to Rossi -- but that does not take away the bad taste of dismissing the injuries of someone else (which is also bad memory, not remebering how his own sickness was dismissed by many). But I understand how Stoner and Lorenzo and other top riders are always pissed at the media attention Rossi gets, even when he loses -- that's a sour feeling that could explain the sour taste of the remarks.
Thats probably what its about, anyone who has any observational skills at all can see that Stoner's illness was far more of a physical limitation to riding than Rosi's injuries this weekend, yet the attention and hype suggests otherwise. Thats probably why he was annoyed and why he said something. He gave credit to Rossi for his recovery and his riding so i do't see the problem.
Oh and as for Rossi's comments not being offensive because they were said in a humerous tone, get real. Rossi is actually publically disrespecting Casey and laughing at him, about something that happened 2 years ago. I feel sorry for him if he feels so bad about himself he needs to be that pathetic
And Roger, i don't think anyone will believe you think Jerez 05 is comparible to the last corner here, nobody is that stupid
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I think you misread Stoner for one, I realy don't think he thinks much of the media at all. I think he just wants to ride and seems to be averse to all the Bopper wanking that hangs around Rossi and all the media hype that comes with him. Dorna love it, but some don't
Pedrosa is also like that.
Lorenzo loves the attention.
And so it goes down the line .... some are "showmen" some are "camera shy".
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Oh and as for Rossi's comments not being offensive because they were said in a humerous tone, get real. Rossi is actually publically disrespecting Casey and laughing at him, about something that happened 2 years ago. I feel sorry for him if he feels so bad about himself he needs to be that pathetic
And Roger, i don't think anyone will believe you think Jerez 05 is comparible to the last corner here, nobody is that stupid
No, the comment was light-hearted, it came after (seriously) admitting defeat at the hands of Stoner, so the respect for the other rider was there. Of course the joke is part of psychological warfare, and there were many ways of answering in rhyme and good taste.
One thing I don't understand is why everybody keeps discussing the "fairness" of Stoner's pass: it was an assertive move, but clean. Rossi didn't complain, why should anybody else.
Thats Stoners problem really, he is a riders rider. A no nonesense type of guy. He'd have been fine in eras gone by but with the sport as commercial as it is now he's always gonna come of second best in PR to a showman. Credit to Rossi for playing the game to suit himself but it is a shame Casey doesn't get the respect he deserves as a rider.
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Rossi didn't complain, why should anybody else.
Why does the Sun set.
Why does water flow.
Why do Boppers "complain" about Stoner
all jst well known physical facts
One thing I don't understand is why everybody keeps discussing the "fairness" of Stoner's pass: it was an assertive move, but clean. Rossi didn't complain, why should anybody else.
Stoner himself may actually be one who was concerned, he seemed to not be happy about having touched rossi in the podium interview, and certainly far from boastful about having made a hard pass if it was so; it is possible that his frequent complaints about riders dawdling on the racing line etc are based on genuinely held beliefs regarding safety.
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Aww Michael ...... Stoner himself doesn't give a "flying .....", as he pointed out to the media, some of whom began with the immediate imlication that the pass was "not kind". Just look at the whinging from the likesof Reg, Inam, PTK, Talp etc etc etc. and you can see why the media loves to do it. Stoner answered knowingly about the hype of it all. Its folk like Reg. Tal inam Choco etc etc etc who pay for the media's lunches ..... so they know what to try and concoct.
The fact that this thread has now accumulated a "couple of pages" of rants about Stoner that have happened since he bowled Rossi viciously sideways. Even those Boppers that are sayiing that the pass was clean are still finding a way to have a gripe about Stoner ...... its just the "modus operandi" of the bopper.
In the meantime Lorenzo is running away with it ......... reminds me of a time a few years back
You just don't get Rossi's humor, undoubtely because you have to read it (poorly) translated and cannot listen to it live.
Look, I am one of the few who has acknowledged Stoner as a rider on a par with Rossi, and always defend him. But I felt sorry for him for those unfortunate remarks, and I mean it. Rossi's teasing is light-hearted and calls for a reply at the same level: but telling someone who had his leg half-detached from the body six weeks ago, that he's hyping it, that's bad taste.
Now who is hyping?
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