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Round 7: 2017 Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya

Here is where Johann comes into his own (...from his usual Moto2 strategy):


"And so we are left with a likely war of attrition on Sunday. The race will be won by the rider who stresses their tires least in the opening laps, and can make them last for as long as possible. That favors a couple of factors: riders who are light, riders who are smooth in both their throttle control and bike movements, and riders who are experienced."

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/06/10/2017_barcelona_motogp_saturday_notes_a.html
 
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iNfRaSoNiC said:
the Goat is far away from the podium but who knows, right? Good luck to Maverick as well but if he is 7-8th the championship is ON again.

P.S This is coming from a Rossi fan for 20 years :)
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You have allowed your subjectivity to buy into the myth. He's isn't actually the greatest of all time.

P.S. This is coming from a motorcycle racing fan for 40 years :)
 
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Arrabbiata1 said:
You have allowed your subjectivity to buy into the myth. He's isn't actually the greatest of all time.

P.S. This is coming from a motorcycle racing fan for 40 years :)
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Actually you are right, he isn't, but anyway the sport will loss when he retires that's not my opinion all media said so :)
 
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I'm gonna go for Pedrosa, dovi and zarco for the podium! Hope cal will finish but the Hondas seem to be struggling !

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...although reports are suggesting that Rossi may have found something this morning - and if anyone can manage a greasy surface and a degrading tyre...

Hondas of Marquez and Crutch possibly neutralised if they want to remain upright and finish the race due to the soft left compound of the asymmetric.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
...although reports are suggesting that Rossi may have found something this morning - and if anyone can manage a greasy surface and a degrading tyre...

Hondas of Marquez and Crutch possibly neutralised if they want to remain upright and finish the race due to the soft left compound of the asymmetric.
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Haven't seen JB on the coverage ............... where has he been hiding :D
 
Gaz said:
You take some things waaaaaaay to personal as opposed to pisstake mate.


And I say that as no matter how brutal you have been with riders, you also do not fail to give credit where due thus I know full well that if Crutchlow gets a good result through effort, ability and skill you will credit him just as you have in the past.
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As do we all around here. ;)

But it's something that did need to be said piss-taking or not, as some around here seem to think that disliking how a Crutchlow conducts himself is in itself an egregious act. Had I made the comment I did, and instead of Crutchlow, I said "Rossi", no one would have cared. Cal has always gotten a pass, along with a number of excuses from the British members here for no reason other than he is British, which is fine. But people need to lose the blinders on him. He quit as much on Ducati as Rossi did, yet only one of the two gets slagged off for it and it isn't Crutchlow. Yet here today, Andrea Dovizioso is the one who stuck it out at Ducati, which speaks a lot about commitment in the face of adversity.

Yes, otherwise though you do know I will give credit to everyone no matter how much I dislike them because it's only fair to do so since everyone out there is talented no matter how much I dislike someone of the riders. :)
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
...although reports are suggesting that Rossi may have found something this morning - and if anyone can manage a greasy surface and a degrading tyre...

Hondas of Marquez and Crutch possibly neutralised if they want to remain upright and finish the race due to the soft left compound of the asymmetric.
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Good point
 
JPSLotus said:
But it's something that did need to be said piss-taking or not, as some around here seem to think that disliking how a Crutchlow conducts himself is in itself an egregious act. Had I made the comment I did, and instead of Crutchlow, I said "Rossi", no one would have cared. Cal has always gotten a pass, along with a number of excuses from the British members here for no reason other than he is British, which is fine. But people need to lose the blinders on him. He quit as much on Ducati as Rossi did, yet only one of the two gets slagged off for it and it isn't Crutchlow. Yet here today, Andrea Dovizioso is the one who stuck it out at Ducati, which speaks a lot about commitment in the face of adversity.
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IMO only, but Cal gets a pass from many because he is rather 'outside the square' in a number of ways (just as is Miller IMO) but just to take you up on a few things (for discussion).

IMO, but if Smith had proved to be the next big British thing I suspect that Cal may not have the profile that he does (yes, I suspect that DORNA need a good, competitive British rider and Cal fits the bill at the moment).

Ducati - he quit, Rossi did not. Call took the option that was available to him where Rossi saw out the terms of his agreement (and yes, I recognise the hypocrisy of calling Cal a quitter when the option was available). As for slagging off, well I suspect that it occurs because (and let us be honest here), Cal can only dream of the results that Rossi has, thus tall poppy.

Dovi is IMO both under-stated and under-recognised (as opposed to appreciated) but he is not championship winning material (I bet that comes back to bite me on the ...). It is interesting that people wish to slag the likes of Cal off whilst overlooking the fact that Dovi has had longer factory riding tenures and only produced one more win
 
Gaz said:
IMO only, but Cal gets a pass from many because he is rather 'outside the square' in a number of ways (just as is Miller IMO) but just to take you up on a few things (for discussion).

IMO, but if Smith had proved to be the next big British thing I suspect that Cal may not have the profile that he does (yes, I suspect that DORNA need a good, competitive British rider and Cal fits the bill at the moment).

Ducati - he quit, Rossi did not. Call took the option that was available to him where Rossi saw out the terms of his agreement (and yes, I recognise the hypocrisy of calling Cal a quitter when the option was available). As for slagging off, well I suspect that it occurs because (and let us be honest here), Cal can only dream of the results that Rossi has, thus tall poppy.

Dovi is IMO both under-stated and under-recognised (as opposed to appreciated) but he is not championship winning material (I bet that comes back to bite me on the ...). It is interesting that people wish to slag the likes of Cal off whilst overlooking the fact that Dovi has had longer factory riding tenures and only produced one more win
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Rossi did quit on Ducati considering he openly admitted to not putting full effort in once he considered it to be futile. You can say he saw out the terms of the contract, which he did, but he still quit on the team once he felt it was a hopeless situation.

Dovi may only have one more win, but he also has two wins on a bike that didn't see a win for nearly 6 years at one point. In addition, he did something Rossi and Crutchlow could not do by winning on that bike. Yes it's not the same bike as the 2011 and 2012 challenger, but he's shown Ducati as much commitment as they've shown him, and stuck by him when they had a choice between he and Iannone last season. Yes, maybe he is not championship winning material, but if you need to sign a rider and it is between him and Crutchlow, who do you take? I suspect you and most others would take Dovizioso without too much thought as you will get a consistent performer through and through who understands how to develop a bike and get the most out of an unfavorable situation. Crutchlow comes with a giant repair bill.

Dovi also found himself in an unfortunate situation at HRC that was entirely of HRC's own making, not his, and then being forced to take the one-off at Tech 3 where he had to go buy brakes for the Tech 3 M1 says quite a bit about his ability to handle adversity. He isn't as naturally gifted as Marquez or Vinales, but he knows how to work within the sphere of his abilities, and that is worth a tremendous amount for a team. I also remember Dovi outperforming Crutchlow during 2012, especially down the stretch.
 
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Petrucci with a monumentally stupid move on the start....really have to watch those lateral chop moves...amazing Marquez saved the bike.
 

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