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Here we go again, Rossi and Yamaha leads a revolt to get a change that was costing them time. Marquez was against changing back to the original chican as he was 2-3 10ths quicker than the Yamahas in the final sector. If we gave Rossi his 10th, would he promise to go awAy.
 
Rossi has nothing to do with the chicane change, he is just one of the riders who wanted that change.
I do not think that the change will help him a lot as he seems far from the last year performance. Anyway he will be done with MotoGP in 2-3 years tops.
It is easy just to watch and enjoy but I see just hate and hate and more hate :furious:
 
Rossi has nothing to do with the chicane change, he is just one of the riders who wanted that change.
I do not think that the change will help him a lot as he seems far from the last year performance. Anyway he will be done with MotoGP in 2-3 years tops.
It is easy just to watch and enjoy but I see just hate and hate and more hate :furious:
Yes, you are correct, that is the story of gp bike racing for approaching 2 decades now, hatred of most riders other than Rossi, and definitely of any who at all challenge him, however worthy they may be.

I have mostly blamed the crazy element among Rossi fandom rather than he himself for this historically, but the events of late season 2015 changed my perspective.
 
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I have mostly blamed the crazy element among Rossi fandom rather than he himself for this historically, but the events of late season 2026 changed my perspective.
Dude. Fix that date or you will have people flipping out on this forum that Rossi is still racing in 2026! :p
 
I have mostly blamed the crazy element among Rossi fandom rather than he himself for this historically, but the events of late season 2026 changed my perspective.

Dude. Fix that date or you will have people flipping out on this forum that Rossi is still racing in 2026! :p

Mike is predicting the future, just as Jack did and we know that Jack proved correct :D
 
Now, all we need in FP3 is for Jack to ride the new but now old chicane just as a piss take

Perhaps they should cordon off this time, otherwise It'll take another session for ....... to realise again.

Seriously though, this reminds me of the tombstone mentality in aviation, where due to costs, improvements are only effected after an accident illuminates a potentially fatal defect. I thought this after the tragic death of Kato. Although a freak accident, and Suzuka was admittedly a dangerous and flawed circuit, but it was dropped whilst Laguna was added to the calendar which I consider far worse even post alterations. Again, the Salom incident was a complete freak, but the hazard was also present by which he lost his life. instead of this myopia, is there any attempt to review sections of other circuits (such as Misano - another dangerous place imo) to assess whether there is the potential for this to happen again. Woodcote is another example. Although, the difference appears lie in the existence of gravel trap. For those that regard this as a panacea, reacquaint yourselves with Hopper's ugly off at Assen on the Zook.

I'm with Stoner though. The disappearance of gravel traps has lead to shall we say the emergence of more opportunistic riding style.
 
Tend to agree Arrib and am along the lines that every circuit has places where we have seen extremely severe injury or death at times in cars and/or bikes so where does the 'motorsports is dangerous' component come to effect?

Yes, we need to try to make the sport as safe as possible by the removal of as many unnecessary hazards as possible but we also have to be realistic (as unpalatable as that may sound) in that without cars using these circuits, then bike racing may not exist as many venues would receive greater income from cars which may go some way to subsidising the bikes.

For mine I have always agreed with CS in terms of the tarmac runoff component in that it is not a deterrent but in some instances is rather seen as an extension of the track and at other times, when a rider has fallen it does little to slow the rider down. As such for me, motorcycle racing in general needs to look at developing solutions that can be readily implemented that will act as a deterrent and where needed, improve the safety of the competitors, but at the same time I realise that there is likely no easy or ready fix.

We also need to understand that freak incidents will occur from time to time and whilst nobody wants to see deaths or injury, it is a component of the sport and what we need to do is learn and try to improve to lessen the risks whilst acknowledging that the risks will always exist.

My view may be archaic to some, but having been around and seen many of the circuits on the eastern australian seaboard I can say without fear of contradictory proof, that motorcycling lags a long way behind cars in the thoughts of circuit owners, so it is up to us to improve the sport and safety ourselves
 
Crutchlow is a piece of .....

Naah - he's actually a good lad which is why he's one of the most popular individual in the paddock - particularly amongst other riders. It just seems that racing a motorcycle sometimes doesn't bring the best out in him...which I find hilarious. What would people prefer, one of these sugar coated prescriptively P/R processed platitude ridden Dorna clones? The thing that I find most amusing about Crutch is that he incenses people on armchair forums yet is loved by his team and his counterparts. Which is quite telling really. The thing that is consistently missed is the fact that once he has shot his mouth off, after a period of reflection he is usually quite magnanimous. Not because he's had some bollocking from Chech or some Dorna lacky, but because he's genuinely quite a thoughtful individual.

Regarding the Pedrosa comment last week that seemed to rile so many, he really meant and you can tell - although only a point was at stake, he was still pissed this weekend. I agree with Hodgson, Cal Crutchlow rides for Cal Crutchlow, why shouldn't he be pleased that a ..... move from Dani cost him second in the championship? Is there any other rider that wouldn't internally be thinking that? - it's just that being Crutchlow, unlike some other riders that spring to mind in the paddock, instead of internalising it, he'll get it out...Foggy was equally forthright and in a the world of insincerity that we now live in, (and particularly in the context of this paddock), such candour and undisguised plainspokenness is something that I find that quite refreshing.

Like Stoner, Crutchlow doesn't care who he upsets. If it needs to be said - you can count on him to say it. The problem arises when something doesn't need to be said...and that's why his feeble diplomacy dike should be reinforced not breached.
 
We need personality in the paddock ............. not the robotic media puppets that speak only that which will be well received by fans, DORNA and the organisation.

I may not agree with all that spews forth from Cal's mouth (totally disagree with the Pedrosa comment - not about the accident but the championship) but will happily admit that I would rather listen to him and his comments than I would listen to those that seemingly read from a script.

For me, I always find it interesting that we often want a personality, or someone who is 'different' yet when we have them we criticise (just as Miller gets criticised in some places).



Like Stoner, Crutchlow doesn't care who he upsets. If it needs to be said - you can count on him to say it. The problem arises when something doesn't need to be said...and that's why his feeble diplomacy dike should be reinforced not breached.

One of the reasons I liked listening to CS was that he called a spade a spade, and whilst delivery may be lacking at times (and by delivery I mean the manner of delivery), and while at time I cringe at the likes of CS, Cal, Jack etc, I will admit that I love it when they throw an upset the applecart .... you all comment. MotoGP needs these guys and their comments at times so bring it on
 
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As stated before, Cal's reaction to Pedrosa's mistake didn't bother me.

Meanwhile, there was an interesting QP3. No Yamahas into Q2. Probably a couple of unhappy Yami executives right now. A relief for Marc and Dani, if the Yamis don't get into the first couple of rows of the grid, I am sure.
 
And the new (more horse power) Aprilia engine seems to be the real deal...

('QP3': Honda Honda Ducati Aprilia Ducati Ducati Suzuki Ducati Ducati Ducati...)

Go Jonas (ha ha)
 
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Rossi has nothing to do with the chicane change, he is just one of the riders who wanted that change.

Then he has something to do with the chicane change.

If you pardon the predictable pun, the reason for Povol's observation is that we are so familiar with this sort of chicanery over the years. Of course Valentino wants to switch and eliminate a stop start feature which favours the Honda and given that Marquez is so quick through there. No surprise that this may govern the view of other riders. As with the #70, who initially petitioned for this though? The same rider that has consistently exploited and thrived off comparative advantage or dare I say attempted to engineer disparities throughout most of his career in the top class? A contentious point maybe, but interesting that not only (like many other riders to be fair) does he oppose the move to a 20 race season, but he also regards the Chang International Circuit as "boring". Never was particularly great at adapting to new tracks...and the prospect of two new ones and a longer season make that increasingly elusive No.10 dream a potential nightmare.
 
This place is turning into a morgue for GP discussion activity.

It's Thursday and we have a race this weekend and no topic till now.

The circus moves to Catalunya and it's ̶r̶e̶v̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ horseshit layout that did nothing to address the actual issue with where Luis Salom was killed last year. It alters how the final corner at the circuit will approached for riders. My initial feeling is that the configuration change will hurt the racing for the last sector as I don't think it will be possible to get enough to speed to make any kind of possible last corner overtake ala Rossi/Lorenzo 2009.

That being said, Yamaha is going to be favored here too like every other circuit. Talk was the Honda can get through the final chicane better than the other bikes, but that will not make a difference if the other bikes are getting through the rest of the corners faster. For that new chicane section to benefit the Honda, they need to be in front going into that section.

The X factor for this race is Ducati and we will know one way or another whether their test last month here will make any difference in race setup.

My prediction for top 5:

1) Vinales
2) Dovi
3) Marquez
4) Zarco
5) Rossi




12) Lorenzo
DNF: Cal Crutchlow

Like this but not the order of the win, Vinales yes but MM no, it could be Dani :eek: then Zarco, Dovi, Rossi. On Lorenzo's current form he could be 8th or 18th.
Cal will finish, he would have at Mugello but Dani wiped him out. I think Petrucci will go back to his usual spot of around 9th. I'd like to see Folger do well.
 
Crutchlow is a piece of .....

Oh really? I'd like to see you ride a race bike. Anyway .... doesn't have legs and if it did it'd be diarrhoea, which is what your comment is, verbal diarrhoea. :thumbdown:
 
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As stated before, Cal's reaction to Pedrosa's mistake didn't bother me.

Meanwhile, there was an interesting QP3. No Yamahas into Q2. Probably a couple of unhappy Yami executives right now. A relief for Marc and Dani, if the Yamis don't get into the first couple of rows of the grid, I am sure.

Me thinks that Caramello will be summonsed to one of the trailers if this continues
 

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