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Yeah, couldn't cope, must be this cognitive dissonance I've been expertly diagnosed with by the forum psychiatrist.
Or it could be that I asked duc to change it a couple of weeks ago :)


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You clearly don't have cognitive dissonance, being obviously untroubled by a world view divorced from reality ie that the problem with modern MotoGP is disrespect for Valentino Rossi rather than for his competitors, including the 2 still current riders who have won 6 world titles between them since Valentino last won a title
 
Hmm I kind of thought they were like nipples. Thanks for the lesson in marsupials.

Nah mate.

Nipples are like an anti-......

When cold, a ..... shrinks and tries to hide but not nipples, they stand upright and shout 'come at be bro'.
 
I have to say I regard MV as a true believer rather than a troll.

Getting upset about the disregard a significant number of posters on here have for Valentino Rossi and are very happy to explain is imo possibly more unreasonable than trolling however, given the most significant reason for this disregard is the attitude to/disregard of nearly all his opponents in the wider world, and in particular the double standards both in regard to Valentino's own behaviour and treatment by officialdom and the ownership/management of the sport and how Valentino himself and his extreme fans treat other riders.

Agree that MV actually watches races. Which is like saying, Pat Robertson goes to church. Robertson has always been more concerned with proselytizing than sharing with others the values and teachings of certain saintly Jewish guy from Nazareth.

It's one thing for a person to be blind to Rossi's faults. It's another however - to have them whine and whine and whine when others don't agree with them - and worse still to listen to more whining in the form of: You're all haters. :rolleyes:

The end result of this being, the Vale-evangelists interrupt and hijack discussions solely for the purpose of juvenile revenge on those who reject their beliefs.

This forum has always had a few dozen members, able to get along and discuss and debate each other without hostility and divisive tactics that split the forum into warring factions ... and always there's a tiny minority of two or three who provoke and prank the rest, who otherwise get along and have no desire to be engaged in a constant siege state.

It's all such petty .... and nobody really needs it. I for one do not savor the pissing matches. Honestly - but for one person here who is hopelessly unhinged - there probably isn't a single person here I wouldn't shake hands with and have a beer. People have got get over the idea that anyone "wins" on the internet; and the idea that there's any alpha males here. Powerslide is a great place for fellowship and shooting the .... - and it just turns to crap with all the sniping. Newbs need to check out the get-together threads here. Jum and Rog were bitter enemies and became best friends. Another member who always seemed to have a problem (mostly because of Stoner support) with me - became a good friend when we actually met and hung out at LS. Had the time of my life hanging with Mick in Thailand. And no more ..... fests with JPS. This is for me what the forum is about. Hanging on to petty resentments is huge waste.
 
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There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it.

For example, take the latest incident with Rossi and Zarco. The anti-Rossi crowd has taken issue with Rossi cutting the corner. Is is really Rossi's act of cutting the corner they have an issue with or are they simply looking for another reason to justify their hate? To answer that question, swap the position of the riders. Lets say Rossi was attempting to overtake Zarco, he arrived late at the apex and forced Zarco to stand his bike up and cut the corner. In that scenario, the same individuals who are claiming they have an issue with Rossi cutting the track, would instead be blasting Rossi for his dangerous overtaking maneuver and calling for him to be severely punished for endangering another rider. See it's not what Rossi did that they truly have a problem with, it's just Rossi.

Mate, if we were having a conversation about Valentino Rossi 15 years ago in the spring of 2002, this would have been a vastly different conversation at the time. I genuinely liked the guy back then. He became an insufferable piece of .... over the years due to an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement and tacit approval and backing from Dorna. The complaints some of us have are quite valid about him and the negative impact he has had on the actual sport, not the commercial side of things. Why this bothers you so much is interesting. I don't go to pro-Rossi MotoGP forums and do what you do here, there. I don't care enough to waste my time like that.

As Michael already mentioned you're a true believer as far as Rossi goes. You will never see what a bunch of us see and this is absolutely fine. I criticized Marquez heavily before he calmed his riding down. If that changes I will be vocal about it. I remain quite vocal to this day about Simoncelli for the same reasons I'm vocal about a number of Rossi's on-track antics. Motorcycle racing is not, and has never been a combat sport, hence my objections to what Rossi has done over the years by normalizing certain tactics/maneuvers and having all of it rationalized by his cult fanbase.

The Zarco incident was more of the same .... from him complete with his post-race ........ trying to dress Zarco down.

So you don't like what we post or have to say about him. Ignore it and move on.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with above post. Real sportsmen do not act like Rossi. For instance, have you ever heard Federer reciting: Nadal is a moaner! Moaner! And all Federer fans after him: Nadal is a moaner!
 
There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it.

No Vudu, the problem appears to be that you construe any criticism of Valentino Rossi as 'hating'. As if the bias and attempted proselytisation by the media (which you seem to have no objection to) isn't bad enough, like any extremist doctrine, it's blind followers can't abide dissenters, non-believers and secularism.

Purely out of interest, do you regard the following blogs as "hating"?

Doctored ? MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi | Trunk Talk

Doctored: MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi ? Part 2 | Trunk Talk

To clarify, personally I too don't buy into the Rossi hagiography but it doesn't follow that my iconoclasm, scepticism or even cynicism towards much of the mythology built around him makes me a "hater".

Heresy, but, I don't regard him as "The Greatest of All Time" by a long shot -
this GOAT nonsense seems to be an uncritically accepted mantra by his followers many of which are utterly oblivious to the history of the sport and so incapable of contextualising his achievements. There are many reasons for why I think this, just as there are in respect of '15 times' Giacomo Agostini. I don't believe that he has the ability to compete for a title given even moderately disadvantaged machinery or support and I don't think he responds to pressure from his rivals either constructively or productively. (If you wish to discuss 2004 and the move to Yamaha in association with this, I would be only to happy to do so). In spite of this, I do think that he has consistently benefitted from substantial comparative advantage for much of his career without which he wouldn't have been so successful. Saying that, could you have transplanted any rider into his place, availed with the same support and they would have achieved the same? of course not - but there are one or two that may have exceeded it.

I do admit to loathing his largely moronic glory hunting fan base and find the mobilisation and manipulation of this fanaticism on behalf of Rossi himself utterly reprehensible. I find his public persona fake and often disingenuous - peeling away the tacky yellow veneer over the last twenty years has on occasions revealed a duplicity and a disturbing lack of dignity which for me is not the hallmark of the 'greatest of all time'.

When the clown mask slips, mind games aside, it's often unpleasant as 2015 was testament to. I've pointed out innumerable times that if Stoner, Lorenzo or Márquez had behaved like Rossi did in October and November of that year the reaction would have been a level of fanatical outrage that may have even threatened their future racing careers. You speak of hatred, revisit the irrational extreme posts on here from that period from the hordes of yellow minions that deluged this forum and then imagine what it would have been like had things been the other way around during the run up and in the race at Sepang. Then go back on this forum to 2007 during Stoner's Championship year and the immediate aftermath. That's genuine hatred.

This is simply my opinion. I don't hate Valentino Rossi, as I've said before, how could I? I don't actually know the guy personally. Racing is ruthless - and the racetrack, both on and off rarely brings out the best in its competitors. I appreciate that. I also understand, that views need to be balanced and challenged, so a brief anecdote.

At a race meeting last year, can't remember where, may have been Le Mans, John McPhee wanted advice in respect of a certain parts of the circuit. He approached Valentino on the Thursday who promised to arrange a lap of the circuit one evening.Throughout the weekend and with raceday approaching he heard nothing and believing that he's been fobbed off forgot all about it - doubtless chastising himself for being so cheeky. Then on Saturday evening he got a text inviting him to Vale's motorhome. They lapped the circuit on scooters, he then dedicated his time to discuss set up with John in his garage.

There is no simple dichotomy between good and bad. As human beings, we all have our virtues and similarly our foibles and character defects. I find this tedious narrative that portrays Valentino as the hero and any opposition as the 'pretender to his throne' or an arch villain; or this resentment by his acolytes at the very suggestion of someone having the audacity to actually race him pathetic. How dare they? It's as though these people want it to be 2002 all over again and are only happy to see Rossi effortlessly disappear into the distance and win races by a country mile.

On the other hand, that McPhee story to me demonstrates that like all of us there are many sides to Valentino Rossi and any hatred of the guy is not only irrational but, yeah just as tedious as the adoration.

The cause célèbre surrounding Sepang I would say crystalised years of schism between the believers and non-believers. But the history of division runs deep, long before posters such as yourself Vudu.

I find this hilarious...

"There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it."

So like some forum Matthew Hopkins, or Tavulian Torqueamada you have appointed yourself as some grand inquisitor to punish and expose the heretics and apostates, the 'Charlie Hebdo' late of Powerslide, that dares to mock your beliefs? I find this cult of personality surrounding Rossi as hilarious as I find it tragic. Without being able to fling them in the village pond to see if they float, how does Moto Vudu deem that someone is a 'hater'? What divine authority is imbued in you? Do you thrust a copy of 'What if I'd Never Tried it' into the clutches of your family members and insist that they take an oath of allegiance?

Seriously though mate, your obvious sensitivities aside, I find your comments richly ironic coming after your COTA pre race diatribe against Márquez. You appeared to derive pleasure from him crashing out in Argentina and the prospect of him doing the same in Austin as some cause for celebration. When you're not preoccupied with blowing yellow smoke up Valentino's arse you are one of this forums main Marc Márquez detractors - which by your definition would constitute 'hating'. I concede, you did give him credit for winning the race, but surely you'd sooner see your hero, or your Viñales contingency /insurance policy beat the man on the road? Tell me you'd rather see Lorenzo competitive again and fighting for wins. The irritating thing about Casey's 2011 title for me was the fact that Valentino wasn't in a position to challenge him

As I've said before, I don't care who wins so long as it's a close race to the title. And if Valentino gets his tenth? fine, like most glory hunters in sport - that's what people support him for so it will finally make them very happy. Pretty meaningless to me, because of years like 2002 and 2003 and the true legends of this sport that preceded him. Irrespective of who wins the title, I just want close racing and the more riders at the sharp end, the better. I just don't get this slavish fanboyism or tribalism - even if it is fraught by disparities and inequities, can't we just appreciate the racing?

It's been said before - so many Valentino fans are only here because of the cult of personality as opposed to being fans of the sport. It's almost as though the racing is at best secondary... an intrusion - an inconvenience.
 
There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it.

For example, take the latest incident with Rossi and Zarco. The anti-Rossi crowd has taken issue with Rossi cutting the corner. Is is really Rossi's act of cutting the corner they have an issue with or are they simply looking for another reason to justify their hate? To answer that question, swap the position of the riders. Lets say Rossi was attempting to overtake Zarco, he arrived late at the apex and forced Zarco to stand his bike up and cut the corner. In that scenario, the same individuals who are claiming they have an issue with Rossi cutting the track, would instead be blasting Rossi for his dangerous overtaking maneuver and calling for him to be severely punished for endangering another rider. See it's not what Rossi did that they truly have a problem with, it's just Rossi.

You would really enjoy this forum a lot more if you could stop taking it personal - when people don't like Rossi, which seems to be the reason you get into such a snit. I think those who don't like him are pretty up front about it. And... I reckon, those who state that they're neutral or better can be taken at their word.

I'm an atheist - but I don't begrudge people who think the Dead Sea Pedestrian is their Lord And Savior. Each to his own. Whatever floats your boat.

As to whether people have legit reasons for not liking Rossi... why don't you offer some insight into why exactly you think this is so - as you reject out of hand, what 95% of the forum members state as real reasons for their dislike of him.

And while you're at it; ask yourself, what exactly do you hope to accomplish by preaching The Gospel According To Uccio to a crowd of non-believers. Do you really get that much satisfaction from haranguing us poor heathens? Do you believe you're going to convert anyone to your way of thinking? Let it go. One of your fellow Texans, Curve, used to be a regular and he was a HUGE Rossi fan, and supporter and he never felt threatened by folks not liking Rossi, or once ever got pissy or insulted anyone (except Stoner) and he was like family here. Nobody ever "hated on him" because he liked Rossi and he never took it personal when we took the piss with Rossi. Curve, one of the most legendary, well liked guys ever on PS is living proof that folks can dislike Rossi - without hatin' on his fans.
 

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No Vudu, the problem appears to be that you construe any criticism of Valentino Rossi as 'hating'. As if the bias and attempted proselytisation by the media (which you seem to have no objection to) isn't bad enough, like any extremist doctrine, it's blind followers can't abide dissenters, non-believers and secularism.

Purely out of interest, do you regard the following blogs as "hating"?

Doctored ? MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi | Trunk Talk

Doctored: MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi ? Part 2 | Trunk Talk

To clarify, personally I too don't buy into the Rossi hagiography but it doesn't follow that my iconoclasm, scepticism or even cynicism towards much of the mythology built around him makes me a "hater".

Heresy, but, I don't regard him as "The Greatest of All Time" by a long shot -
this GOAT nonsense seems to be an uncritically accepted mantra by his followers many of which are utterly oblivious to the history of the sport and so incapable of contextualising his achievements. There are many reasons for why I think this, just as there are in respect of '15 times' Giacomo Agostini. I don't believe that he has the ability to compete for a title given even moderately disadvantaged machinery or support and I don't think he responds to pressure from his rivals either constructively or productively. (If you wish to discuss 2004 and the move to Yamaha in association with this, I would be only to happy to do so). In spite of this, I do think that he has consistently benefitted from substantial comparative advantage for much of his career without which he wouldn't have been so successful. Saying that, could you have transplanted any rider into his place, availed with the same support and they would have achieved the same? of course not - but there are one or two that may have exceeded it.

I do admit to loathing his largely moronic glory hunting fan base and find the mobilisation and manipulation of this fanaticism on behalf of Rossi himself utterly reprehensible. I find his public persona fake and often disingenuous - peeling away the tacky yellow veneer over the last twenty years has on occasions revealed a duplicity and a disturbing lack of dignity which for me is not the hallmark of the 'greatest of all time'.

When the clown mask slips, mind games aside, it's often unpleasant as 2015 was testament to. I've pointed out innumerable times that if Stoner, Lorenzo or Márquez had behaved like Rossi did in October and November of that year the reaction would have been a level of fanatical outrage that may have even threatened their future racing careers. You speak of hatred, revisit the irrational extreme posts on here from that period from the hordes of yellow minions that deluged this forum and then imagine what it would have been like had things been the other way around during the run up and in the race at Sepang. Then go back on this forum to 2007 during Stoner's Championship year and the immediate aftermath. That's genuine hatred.

This is simply my opinion. I don't hate Valentino Rossi, as I've said before, how could I? I don't actually know the guy personally. Racing is ruthless - and the racetrack, both on and off rarely brings out the best in its competitors. I appreciate that. I also understand, that views need to be balanced and challenged, so a brief anecdote.

At a race meeting last year, can't remember where, may have been Le Mans, John McPhee wanted advice in respect of a certain parts of the circuit. He approached Valentino on the Thursday who promised to arrange a lap of the circuit one evening.Throughout the weekend and with raceday approaching he heard nothing and believing that he's been fobbed off forgot all about it - doubtless chastising himself for being so cheeky. Then on Saturday evening he got a text inviting him to Vale's motorhome. They lapped the circuit on scooters, he then dedicated his time to discuss set up with John in his garage.

There is no simple dichotomy between good and bad. As human beings, we all have our virtues and similarly our foibles and character defects. I find this tedious narrative that portrays Valentino as the hero and any opposition as the 'pretender to his throne' or an arch villain; or this resentment by his acolytes at the very suggestion of someone having the audacity to actually race him pathetic. How dare they? It's as though these people want it to be 2002 all over again and are only happy to see Rossi effortlessly disappear into the distance and win races by a country mile.

On the other hand, that McPhee story to me demonstrates that like all of us there are many sides to Valentino Rossi and any hatred of the guy is not only irrational but, yeah just as tedious as the adoration.

The cause célèbre surrounding Sepang I would say crystalised years of schism between the believers and non-believers. But the history of division runs deep, long before posters such as yourself Vudu.

I find this hilarious...

"There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it."

So like some forum Matthew Hopkins, or Tavulian Torqueamada you have appointed yourself as some grand inquisitor to punish and expose the heretics and apostates, the 'Charlie Hebdo' late of Powerslide, that dares to mock your beliefs? I find this cult of personality surrounding Rossi as hilarious as I find it tragic. Without being able to fling them in the village pond to see if they float, how does Moto Vudu deem that someone is a 'hater'? What divine authority is imbued in you? Do you thrust a copy of 'What if I'd Never Tried it' into the clutches of your family members and insist that they take an oath of allegiance?

Seriously though mate, your obvious sensitivities aside, I find your comments richly ironic coming after your COTA pre race diatribe against Márquez. You appeared to derive pleasure from him crashing out in Argentina and the prospect of him doing the same in Austin as some cause for celebration. When you're not preoccupied with blowing yellow smoke up Valentino's arse you are one of this forums main Marc Márquez detractors - which by your definition would constitute 'hating'. I concede, you did give him credit for winning the race, but surely you'd sooner see your hero, or your Viñales contingency /insurance policy beat the man on the road? Tell me you'd rather see Lorenzo competitive again and fighting for wins. The irritating thing about Casey's 2011 title for me was the fact that Valentino wasn't in a position to challenge him

As I've said before, I don't care who wins so long as it's a close race to the title. And if Valentino gets his tenth? fine, like most glory hunters in sport - that's what people support him for so it will finally make them very happy. Pretty meaningless to me, because of years like 2002 and 2003 and the true legends of this sport that preceded him. Irrespective of who wins the title, I just want close racing and the more riders at the sharp end, the better. I just don't get this slavish fanboyism or tribalism - even if it is fraught by disparities and inequities, can't we just appreciate the racing?

It's been said before - so many Valentino fans are only here because of the cult of personality as opposed to being fans of the sport. It's almost as though the racing is at best secondary... an intrusion - an inconvenience.

You're debating with yourself.

- I wasn't participating in any discussion about who is the GOAT.

- I wasn't discussing which rider has the best or worst machinery.

- I said nothing about Rossi's fan base.

- I'm free to call out someone on their posts. I don't need permission to do so nor do I need to feel as though I have divine authority. It's called an internet discussion forum. Posters are supposed to give their opinions.

- You have an inaccurate view of what I'm sensitive about, I've rarely (if ever) felt any negative emotion over anything posted here. This is purely a site for entertainment and I treat it as such.

It's great that you posted your thoughts on Valentino, but I don't know why you quoted or addressed me. All I said it that I call out those that attempt to mask their hatred as criticism. It's easy to spot the difference.
 
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Mate, if we were having a conversation about Valentino Rossi 15 years ago in the spring of 2002, this would have been a vastly different conversation at the time. I genuinely liked the guy back then. He became an insufferable piece of .... over the years due to an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement and tacit approval and backing from Dorna. The complaints some of us have are quite valid about him and the negative impact he has had on the actual sport, not the commercial side of things. Why this bothers you so much is interesting. I don't go to pro-Rossi MotoGP forums and do what you do here, there. I don't care enough to waste my time like that.

As Michael already mentioned you're a true believer as far as Rossi goes. You will never see what a bunch of us see and this is absolutely fine. I criticized Marquez heavily before he calmed his riding down. If that changes I will be vocal about it. I remain quite vocal to this day about Simoncelli for the same reasons I'm vocal about a number of Rossi's on-track antics. Motorcycle racing is not, and has never been a combat sport, hence my objections to what Rossi has done over the years by normalizing certain tactics/maneuvers and having all of it rationalized by his cult fanbase.

The Zarco incident was more of the same .... from him complete with his post-race ........ trying to dress Zarco down.

So you don't like what we post or have to say about him. Ignore it and move on.

You have a right to have a negative opinion of Rossi, just like someone else has a right to have a positive opinion of him. Your negative opinion isn't more valid than the opinion of a Rossi fan.

If you don't like what others have to say about Rossi when it doesn't match your anti-Rossi opinion, then take your own advice and ignore it and move on. You have a long history of launching personal attacks at anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions.

You seem to care a great deal about how you're perceived on this forum. You want to be thought of as a long-time race fan who's the local subject matter expert. You have very little tolerance for anyone who doesn't view you as such. You've also shown major mental weakness by reporting insults to Duc, so you've apparently reached your breaking point so I'll back off. We don't need you hurting yourself over some internet banter.
 
You're debating with yourself.

- I wasn't participating in any discussion about who is the GOAT. a.

- I wasn't discussing which rider has the best or worst machinery. b.

- I said nothing about Rossi's fan base. c.

- I'm free to call out someone on their posts. I don't need permission to do so nor do I need to feel as though I have divine authority. It's called an internet discussion forum. Posters are supposed to give their opinions. d.

- You have an inaccurate view of what I'm sensitive about, I've rarely (if ever) felt any negative emotion over anything posted here. This is purely a site for entertainment and I treat it as such. e.

It's great that you posted your thoughts on Valentino, but I don't know why you quoted or addressed me. All I said it that I call out those that attempt to mask their hatred as criticism. It's easy to spot the difference.f.

a. Your opinion of Rossi is self-evident in that you take great affront to any and all criticism of him.

b. You're being blatantly pedantic

c. You are by definition part of his fan base. What else would cause you to devote so much energy to making friction for those who don't think Rossi is divine?

d. You do in fact state your opinions; but whether you acknowledge it or not, your posts are hardly detached and objective, and are clearly underlined with hostility.

e. See D.

What is it they say? Oh yeah... The first step is admitting you are powerless over Rossi. :p
 
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a. Your opinion of Rossi is self-evident in that you take great affront to any and all criticism of him.

b. You're being blatantly pedantic

c. You are by definition part of his fan base. What else would cause you to devote so much energy to making friction for those who don't think Rossi is divine?

d. You do in fact state your opinions; but whether you acknowledge it or not, your posts are hardly detached and objective, and are clearly underlined with hostility.

e. See D.

What is it they say? Oh yeah... The first step is admitting you are powerless over Rossi. :p

I ignored your last post and you're still begging for my attention. Go outside and play.
 
Thank you for your civil reply.

You're debating with yourself.

I'm not debating anything - the point of my post was to summarise my own take on Valentino Rossi and in association with the links that I provided I was curious whether this qualifies as 'hating'?

- I wasn't participating in any discussion about who is the GOAT.

- I wasn't discussing which rider has the best or worst machinery.

- I said nothing about Rossi's fan base.

I know. At no stage did I suggest that you were or did. I was merely summarising my own - hopefully balanced - perception of the Valentino Rossi phenomena over the years and would again be intrigued to learn whether this qualifies as hating?

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- I'm free to call out someone on their posts. I don't need permission to do so nor do I need to feel as though I have divine authority. It's called an internet discussion forum. Posters are supposed to give their opinions.

Yeah, point taken, but I do find it a tad rich that you deem yourself as some higher authority to arbitrarily brand others as 'haters'.

In the case of some of the Rossi idolisers and fanatics over the years that have plagued this forum I'd vehemently disagree about the validity of some of these views Vudu - I'd prefer to gravitate to the perspective of the neutral. Otherwise I do concur. That was the essence of the post and I made precisely that point. I have both positive and negative opinions of him (you omitted that bit) - just as I do about many things. Life is rarely clear cut. However, contrary to your contentions I am impartial, and unaffiliated. Despite this, my assessment of his character is of little consequence - much like your opinions of Lorenzo's psyche or your ludicrous pronouncement that Viñales was in Marc's head when at Austin there was a strong case for the opposite contention.

Also this doesn't have to always be about Rossi - yet bizarrely that appears to be you sole crusade. And actually, as I queried earlier, respectfully, what makes you the grand arbitrator over all this? Odd that you said that, yet in spite of your own blatant subjective bias you have sanctimoniously seen fit to appoint yourself as having licence to determine who is a hater and who isn't. Strange too that your criteria only pertains to one Valentino Rossi.

- You have an inaccurate view of what I'm sensitive about, I've rarely (if ever) felt any negative emotion over anything posted here. This is purely a site for entertainment and I treat it as such.

I'm relieved to hear it - it certainly doesn't come across that way given your over zealous and at times vehement defence of your yellow creed. Honestly matey, you seem to take unnecessary umbrage to even the mildest criticism of your idol, where as Keshav pointed out, there have been a good many Rossi aficionados who are genuinely as you describe. Nonetheless, many including myself regard you as an valuable member of this forum and enjoy your contributions, or at least those that aren't obsessively dedicated to the monotheistic worship of Valentino Rossi - which admittedly are few and far between. Can't you for the love of God talk about something else more often? Genuinely, I'm interested in what you have to say and in fairness, genuinely appreciative that you and Daniboy (sorry Danski) don't feel the need to push this tiresome GOAT and 'nine times' nonsense at every available opportunity.

All I said it that I call out those that attempt to mask their hatred as criticism. It's easy to spot the difference.

Yet now Lorenzo is irrelevant, you yourself now seem to have diverted your negative preoccupation towards Marc Márquez to the point that you'd rather he DNF than actually compete with the Factory Yamaha team. Not that I'd be so presumptuous or self righteous to brand this as 'hating' mind.
 
You have a right to have a negative opinion of Rossi, just like someone else has a right to have a positive opinion of him. Your negative opinion isn't more valid than the opinion of a Rossi fan.

If you don't like what others have to say about Rossi when it doesn't match your anti-Rossi opinion, then take your own advice and ignore it and move on. You have a long history of launching personal attacks at anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions.

You seem to care a great deal about how you're perceived on this forum. You want to be thought of as a long-time race fan who's the local subject matter expert. You have very little tolerance for anyone who doesn't view you as such. You've also shown major mental weakness by reporting insults to Duc, so you've apparently reached your breaking point so I'll back off. We don't need you hurting yourself over some internet banter.

You still don't get it.

You came to this forum when you along with the rest of the Rossi cult followers when you thought you were going to be able to celebrate his 10th title in 2015. I suspect you probably followed this place, and took it as a personal affront that this forum was not awash in a sea of yellow jism. So much like your asinine rant prior to the COTA race where as Arrab mentioned, you were thrilled over MM crashing out at Argentina, and appeared to be sporting an erection over the prospects of him crashing out and/or not winning for the first time at COTA. You affixed your tribal banner to Vinales again as Arrab said as an insurance policy should things not pan out for VR.

Sure it's an opinion to not care for Rossi and what he represents, but I find anyone who is a legitimate fan of motorcycle racing would not be advocating for Rossi, especially in the wake of Sepang 2015 as it was really, the culmination of every .... thing he did and represented over the past decade up to that point. I actually find it to be lamentable he ever needed to do half the stuff he did. Oh, and I'm not a hater by any stretch of the imagination. I'd love to have dinner with Valentino because it would be quite interesting to discuss racing over the past 15-20 years, and I would also love to ask him some questions the GP journalist contingent refuses to ask him or call him out on.

As far as personal attacks, when you have nothing useful to say, and give me stupid responses, I tend to give the equal right back to you. I found you to be incredibly ignorant when you had the gall to come on here and try to argue the RCV was a great bike. Multiple members explained to you Marquez was flattering the bike to a level most viewers of the sport can't comprehend for whatever reason.

I don't actually care how I'm perceived on this forum. If I did, I wouldn't say what I do to you and others. Frankly, I know very little compared to a number of posters here. If I had a tenth of the knowledge that Arrab/Jumkie/Michael/Gaz/birdman/bunch of others that aren't in my head at the moment, have about GP and motorcycle racing at large, I would be thrilled. However, I do know more than you currently do, or ever will. Sadly you get bent out of shape over my dismissals of most of your laughable points, and meanwhile when Arrab takes the time to provide you with lengthy post filled with all sorts of great facts, you take a rather Trump-ian approach to it all by learning absolutely nothing from what he says. Given how easily you dismiss others who give you thoughtful replies, don't act so shocked when I and others dismiss your posts for whatever reasons they may be.

Major mental weakness? Sounds like your same laughable psychology analysis that you provided of Marc Marquez when you insisted Vinales was in his head based on god only knows what. Then when Marquez controlled the entire race at COTA --while Vinales crashed out-- there was no admission from you of, "Well, maybe he isn't as mentally weak as I thought." Actually, forget that. It was more than apparent you don't seem to grasp the sport you watch because only an ignorant follower of VR46 would ever have labeled Marquez as mentally weak...especially with how he handled Sepang 2015, and everything that came right after. He came back the next season and won the world title...something mentally weak riders do not do. And you have the gall to come on here and make the kind of moronic claim that Marquez is "mentally weak"?

You became more deranged over time and started mentioning me at every last opportunity because you are so bothered by what I say on this backwater motorcycle racing forum. Other members even commented on your constant mentioning of me around here when I said nothing about you. I've had you on ignore for quite awhile, but I just liked making unnamed allusions to you because I knew it would cause you to get even further bent out of shape. You actually started begging for a picture of me because you want to make this .... truly personal. Imagine how psychotic you have to go to that level. Seemingly every other post from you is "JPS this" or "JPS that". Why is that? You must spend quite a lot of time obsessing about me.

I even took a quick moment to find a place where you would be infinitely more happy at: Valentino Rossi 46

Enjoy mate.

P.S. If you want serious replies from me to you, then make thought out posts instead of labeling everyone with your "hater" label. It's the same thing I have continually challenged Daniboy to do. In his case I do it because I know he has actual thoughts and points to make when he wants to. If you give me a serious reply that doesn't resort to the same tired ........ you have been trotting out for the last year, I'll give you a serious response. If you....er shall we say, talk out of your ..., I'm going to give it right back to you.
 
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You still don't get it.

You came to this forum when you along with the rest of the Rossi cult followers when you thought you were going to be able to celebrate his 10th title in 2015. I suspect you probably followed this place, and took it as a personal affront that this forum was not awash in a sea of yellow jism. So much like your asinine rant prior to the COTA race where as Arrab mentioned, you were thrilled over MM crashing out at Argentina, and appeared to be sporting an erection over the prospects of him crashing out and/or not winning for the first time at COTA. You affixed your tribal banner to Vinales again as Arrab said as an insurance policy should things not pan out for VR.

Sure it's an opinion to not care for Rossi and what he represents, but I find anyone who is a legitimate fan of motorcycle racing would not be advocating for Rossi, especially in the wake of Sepang 2015 as it was really, the culmination of every .... thing he did and represented over the past decade up to that point. I actually find it to be lamentable he ever needed to do half the stuff he did. Oh, and I'm not a hater by any stretch of the imagination. I'd love to have dinner with Valentino because it would be quite interesting to discuss racing over the past 15-20 years, and I would also love to ask him some questions the GP journalist contingent refuses to ask him or call him out on.

As far as personal attacks, when you have nothing useful to say, and give me stupid responses, I tend to give the equal right back to you. I found you to be incredibly ignorant when you had the gall to come on here and try to argue the RCV was a great bike. Multiple members explained to you Marquez was flattering the bike to a level most viewers of the sport can't comprehend for whatever reason.

I don't actually care how I'm perceived on this forum. If I did, I wouldn't say what I do to you and others. Frankly, I know very little compared to a number of posters here. If I had a tenth of the knowledge that Arrab/Jumkie/Michael/Gaz/birdman/bunch of others that aren't in my head at the moment, have about GP and motorcycle racing at large, I would be thrilled. However, I do know more than you currently do, or ever will. Sadly you get bent out of shape over my dismissals of most of your laughable points, and meanwhile when Arrab takes the time to provide you with lengthy post filled with all sorts of great facts, you take a rather Trump-ian approach to it all by learning absolutely nothing from what he says. Given how easily you dismiss others who give you thoughtful replies, don't act so shocked when I and others dismiss your posts for whatever reasons they may be.

Major mental weakness? Sounds like your same laughable psychology analysis that you provided of Marc Marquez when you insisted Vinales was in his head based on god only knows what. Then when Marquez controlled the entire race at COTA --while Vinales crashed out-- there was no admission from you of, "Well, maybe he isn't as mentally weak as I thought." Actually, forget that. It was more than apparent you don't seem to grasp the sport you watch because only an ignorant follower of VR46 would ever have labeled Marquez as mentally weak...especially with how he handled Sepang 2015, and everything that came right after. He came back the next season and won the world title...something mentally weak riders do not do. And you have the gall to come on here and make the kind of moronic claim that Marquez is "mentally weak"?

You became more deranged over time and started mentioning me at every last opportunity because you are so bothered by what I say on this backwater motorcycle racing forum. Other members even commented on your constant mentioning of me around here when I said nothing about you. I've had you on ignore for quite awhile, but I just liked making unnamed allusions to you because I knew it would cause you to get even further bent out of shape. You actually started begging for a picture of me because you want to make this .... truly personal. Imagine how psychotic you have to go to that level. Seemingly every other post from you is "JPS this" or "JPS that". Why is that? You must spend quite a lot of time obsessing about me.

I even took a quick moment to find a place where you would be infinitely more happy at: Valentino Rossi 46

Enjoy mate.

P.S. If you want serious replies from me to you, then make thought out posts instead of labeling everyone with your "hater" label. It's the same thing I have continually challenged Daniboy to do. In his case I do it because I know he has actual thoughts and points to make when he wants to. If you give me a serious reply that doesn't resort to the same tired ........ you have been trotting out for the last year, I'll give you a serious response. If you....er shall we say, talk out of your ..., I'm going to give it right back to you.

That's an awfully long winded way of saying sfa :fishing1:
This forum is a meeting of polar opposite minds, not an exclusive back patting club that only allows one train of thought.:fishing1:
Rossi, despite being a media 'darling' is actually a 'bull in a China shop' on occasions, especially when led into answers by media desperate for clicks. :fishing1:
 
Not at all. I would prefer to see wheel to wheel racing wherever possible, and for riders not to take the 'chickenshit' option of escape roads when they are in an inferior position on track. I would have preferred to see Rossi take back the position on the next section and continue the battle with Zarco. ......

Are you telling me Zarco should have conceded from this position on track? You think Rossi had right of way. I think not. Rossi attempted the sweeping outside line. The part of track he wants is simply not available, similar to Simoncelli attempting to ride around the outside of Pedrosa for which he was penalized.
Sorry, it took me awhile to get back to all this. I am having issues with my MotoGP video pass. Just a bit annoying after being a customer since day one.

Zarco never had lead position. Your photos are completely misleading and indicate positioning after the collision, which was completely Zarco's fault since Rossi was in the lead. Here is the still from the same time as yours taken from the side. You can clearly see that Rossi is in the lead. He has lead position and a right to any damn space he wants on the track. This is exactly at the Zarco contact with Rossi. (I put in the screen shot, so people would know it was legit.)

Him attacking Zarco afterwards is something different and has more to do with not being challenged by a damn rookie on a damn satellite bike. Pretty damn embarrassing for the GOAT trying to compete with MV and MM, and he will not put up with that nonsense.
 

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I don't think anyones ever left the forum because of me although I certainly gave them reason too. That was years in the past and I challenge you to find a post from me, since being reinstated that has broken the forum rules.
There is no doubt in my mind that if i berated and insulted members on the daily as you do then I would have been banned eons ago.
I dont agree with DB or MV's opinions but I certainly dont take personal insult to it like you do. In fact I think those two are much like Barry. Noone takes more .... than those 3, but the consistently deflect the hatred with humor. I can respect that. Thats how this place used to be. Jum and Rog were Nor Ko and South Ko. Now they have more love than a black .... in a Kardashian bedroom.
I had no clue about the results posting "rules" which are NOT the same elsewhere, but you went ballistic on me, like I had ..... your daughter. Now, I might be a moderately crazy badass in person, so surviving online attacks might be pretty easy for me. But, I think another person might have left.

To All:
I think the insults are way over done on this site. If your antagonist says something particularly stupid, I think others will figure it out without you berating them with insults. Just make your legitimate point and move on. I know it is tough sometimes when the arguments go in big circles, especially with the yellow mist that is prevalent in this class of racing.

To Dani:
And WhyTHEHell did Daniboy change his name??????? What an .... ...... JUST KIDDING. What is with that, Dani?????
 
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Sorry, it took me awhile to get back to all this. I am having issues with my MotoGP video pass. Just a bit annoying after being a customer since day one.

Zarco never had lead position. Your photos are completely misleading and indicate positioning after the collision, which was completely Zarco's fault since Rossi was in the lead. Here is the still from the same time as yours taken from the side. You can clearly see that Rossi is in the lead. He has lead position and a right to any damn space he wants on the track. This is exactly at the Zarco contact with Rossi. (I put in the screen shot, so people would know it was legit.)

Him attacking Zarco afterwards is something different and has more to do with not being challenged by a damn rookie on a damn satellite bike. Pretty damn embarrassing for the GOAT trying to compete with VR and MM, and he will not put up with that nonsense.

If Zarco had stood him up and passed, pulled away and finished in front of VR , I genuinely think there would be no issue in that case.
It was because Zarco basically dive bombed the corner and never got in front, that in turn got the media in a frenzy , going after their desired quotes like vultures. They got the controversial statement they wanted and that's why Rossi is taking yet another beating here.
 
I ignored your last post and you're still begging for my attention. Go outside and play.

I've ignored plenty of your posts. I would counter however... that it's yourself who's begging for attention. Whether people here react to you positively or negatively - your response is almost invariably - negative. As to where I'm going - it ain't out. I've been here for a bunch of years and I'm still playing, as are we all. The difference is, we answer questions in full - and your replies are increasingly lacking in substance when you are not evading answering direct questions by . . . well, not really answering them at all.
 
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I ignored your last post and you're still begging for my attention. Go outside and play.

I love the whole John Wayne tough guy persona you're playing at. Everything rolls off your back like water. Isn't that right?

Yet you have a little girl tantrum when anyone speaks ill of Rossi. And this is what passes in your world for "entertainment".
 

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