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How long you or any other trolls have been here is irrelevant. Herpes has been around for thousands of years - but it's never going to get a big welcome from this forum. You only come here to sow discord. You are dishonest in everything you post. Your whole purpose is irritate others, like juvenile vandals who run around keying people's cars and deflating tires because you find it amusing. You can try to dress it up and pretend it's "humor" and whine about being hated by the people you continually go to great lengths to alienate - but you're not fooling anyone. A Troll is a Troll is a Troll.
You live for the purpose of pissing off other people. Nobody ever attacked any of the trolls on this forum - until they went out of their way to engender all the angry push-back. All the trolls come on here and piss people off and then whine whine whine when they are called out for being trolls. Cry me a ....... river. Got to say one of the things that are the most wearisome about trolls is that they are all too gutless to cop to the fact that they are trolls. You guys continually distract, annoy and twist the threads away from the actual purpose of this forum and you want the long-standing members - who are the majority to "get out of the kitchen"?
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I have to say I regard MV as a true believer rather than a troll.
Getting upset about the disregard a significant number of posters on here have for Valentino Rossi and are very happy to explain is imo possibly more unreasonable than trolling however, given the most significant reason for this disregard is the attitude to/disregard of nearly all his opponents in the wider world, and in particular the double standards both in regard to Valentino's own behaviour and treatment by officialdom and the ownership/management of the sport and how Valentino himself and his extreme fans treat other riders.
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Not only that, it is on our National emblem.
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We have the roo and the large dodo bird thingamebob on the coat
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You said "trolls" 8 times which tells me all you really have to say in response to my last post is "Oh yeah!? Well you're a troll!" You realized that simply stating that wasn't worthy of a post so you typed up a bunch of filler hoping to make it appear you had something more to say.
Hearing a man that less than a month ago claimed he was a MotoGP tire expert with first-hand experience because he used to race CCS back in the day call someone a troll or take issue with trolling is comical.
I don't even consider being called a troll as negative because these days anyone who has a differing or unpopular opinion on a forum is labeled a troll. It's a weak tactic that's used to try to get someone to conform with the group. So no, I've never complained about you calling me a troll. Please fill me in on why you think I care about how you perceive me? When have I ever given you the impression that I care about what you think?
I've called some individuals here Rossi haters, I've never whined about being hated here. You claim I'm dishonest in everything I post.
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But I made no mention of rear wheel steer when riding the KangaEmu so how could you confuse us?
You said "trolls" 8 times which tells me all you really have to say in response to my last post is "Oh yeah!? Well you're a troll!" You realized that simply stating that wasn't worthy of a post so you typed up a bunch of filler hoping to make it appear you had something more to say.
Hearing a man that less than a month ago claimed he was a MotoGP tire expert with first-hand experience because he used to race CCS back in the day call someone a troll or take issue with trolling is comical.
I don't even consider being called a troll as negative because these days anyone who has a differing or unpopular opinion on a forum is labeled a troll. It's a weak tactic that's used to try to get someone to conform with the group. So no, I've never complained about you calling me a troll. Please fill me in on why you think I care about how you perceive me? When have I ever given you the impression that I care about what you think?
I've called some individuals here Rossi haters, I've never whined about being hated here. You claim I'm dishonest in everything I post.
I don't call people trolls anyway, but certainly don't think you are one by any definition, and do give you credit for never complaining about your treatment on here and standing by your convictions.
What puzzles and occasionally irritates me is your seeming indignation about a few posters on here having an alternate view to yours in regard to Valentino Rossi, given that in the wider world he is almost entirely the object of outright veneration while most of his opponents, past and present are or were mostly the subject of widespread criticism.
Valentino Rossi has been richly credited for his outstanding achievements, my indignation concerns the winners of 9 of the last 11 premier class riders' titles far from being credited mostly being vilified for their achievements.
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There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it.
For example, take the latest incident with Rossi and Zarco. The anti-Rossi crowd has taken issue with Rossi cutting the corner. Is is really Rossi's act of cutting the corner they have an issue with or are they simply looking for another reason to justify their hate? To answer that question, swap the position of the riders. Lets say Rossi was attempting to overtake Zarco, he arrived late at the apex and forced Zarco to stand his bike up and cut the corner. In that scenario, the same individuals who are claiming they have an issue with Rossi cutting the track, would instead be blasting Rossi for his dangerous overtaking maneuver and calling for him to be severely punished for endangering another rider. See it's not what Rossi did that they truly have a problem with, it's just Rossi.
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Ummm has anyone had the little talk about the birds and the bees with you?
Animals with balls dont generally have pouches ....... unless they are transgender .
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I agree with what Pedrosa said, Zarco is new to MotoGP and still getting used to the new format. The bikes are faster, the riding style and lines are different and the competition is tougher. Zarco is doing an exceptional job (unbelievable actually) and all the while still getting his head around the new format. Zarco seems a pretty decent person and obviously the line he took wasn't intended to rub paint (Rossi has done much worse on plenty of occasions as have others) ... Zarco is a rookie after all and entitled to a few rookie mistakes even though it can be easy to forget that point when you see him battling for podium positions - in his 3rd ever MotoGP race - and whilst on a satellite bike. Kudo's
Personally I don't think Rossi was all that bothered by it, on the cool down lap Zarco rode up to apologise, Rossi made some silly hand gestures but then shook his hand ... most likely had moved on. He was probably more annoyed with the media in the press conference who where massively over analysing the incident, repeatedly asking questions to him about it and generally just trying to make as big a thing of it as they could.
The 0.3 second penalty was extremely reasonable, Rossi knew this and said he thought it was fair, "lets move on" was the message I got from his body language ....... The press harped on interrogating him with a line of questioning that probably made him feel like he was on trial when technically he was the one that got shunted. When the media could sense he was done with that topic they then began asking the same questions of Marc and Dani ...
The media know that any story with Rossi gets huge amounts of attention and revenue. I guess the media's tactic worked and VR eventually got draw in taking their bait ... venting his frustration (most likely with the press not letting go of the bone) making comments that made him come across like proper .... (also some what hypocritical based on his track record).... and in the process giving the media exactly the type of comments they yearned for to create more clickbait stories.
No doubt he made up time on DP and MM going off track ... mind you If I was racing I wouldnt have lifted off the gas either if i didn't have to. I'm sure If the penalty impacted the actual results he would have a different tune .....
What I found most interesting in the press conference was Rossi's opinion of the 2017 Yammy M1. Explaining how it can still be quick at the end of the race compared to the 16 (conserving tyres better maybe - lack of winglets - who knows) and validating it with his pass on Dani in the closing laps and building a decent gap. Last year he seemed to be strong during the first 5 laps then drop off until it appeared he was just hanging in there hoping to not get passed before the flag. Pity interesting news like the bike performance is quickly glossed over and gets no air time when there is a story about a pissy time penalty that ultimately had zero effect on results .... Just another storm in a tea cup.
Personally I don't think Rossi was all that bothered by it, on the cool down lap Zarco rode up to apologise, Rossi made some silly hand gestures but then shook his hand ... most likely had moved on. He was probably more annoyed with the media in the press conference who where massively over analysing the incident, repeatedly asking questions to him about it and generally just trying to make as big a thing of it as they could.
The 0.3 second penalty was extremely reasonable, Rossi knew this and said he thought it was fair, "lets move on" was the message I got from his body language ....... The press harped on interrogating him with a line of questioning that probably made him feel like he was on trial when technically he was the one that got shunted. When the media could sense he was done with that topic they then began asking the same questions of Marc and Dani ...
The media know that any story with Rossi gets huge amounts of attention and revenue. I guess the media's tactic worked and VR eventually got draw in taking their bait ... venting his frustration (most likely with the press not letting go of the bone) making comments that made him come across like proper .... (also some what hypocritical based on his track record).... and in the process giving the media exactly the type of comments they yearned for to create more clickbait stories.
No doubt he made up time on DP and MM going off track ... mind you If I was racing I wouldnt have lifted off the gas either if i didn't have to. I'm sure If the penalty impacted the actual results he would have a different tune .....
What I found most interesting in the press conference was Rossi's opinion of the 2017 Yammy M1. Explaining how it can still be quick at the end of the race compared to the 16 (conserving tyres better maybe - lack of winglets - who knows) and validating it with his pass on Dani in the closing laps and building a decent gap. Last year he seemed to be strong during the first 5 laps then drop off until it appeared he was just hanging in there hoping to not get passed before the flag. Pity interesting news like the bike performance is quickly glossed over and gets no air time when there is a story about a pissy time penalty that ultimately had zero effect on results .... Just another storm in a tea cup.
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Like many things this is a matter of perspective.
Everyone was a Rossi fan once, if not necessarily passionately so, even major "haters" such as Povol and I have strongly implied, or outright said in my case, that we once rated him ahead of the great "golden age" American 500 riders and Mick Doohan, and even now consider him to be on the same level as those riders.
This kind of incident, and the differential attitude of Rossi and his fans to it, harks right back to the occurrences which caused your opponents on here, mostly long term fans who have watched Rossi's whole career, to lose their regard for him. Even Birdman's major problem was Rossi complaining about Zarco's pass being over-aggressive.
Rossi made a much more aggressive and unfeasible pass on Gibernau which was apparently OK because Gibernau deserved it, having long been an object of vilification by the Valeban with Rossi not even very tacitly complicit. The start of the vilification of Casey Stoner was him objecting to far more aggressive moves than Zarco's in this race. Rossi maintaining position by cutting a corner has resonance for Stoner fans for obvious reasons. I won't even re-visit Sepang 2015 for fear of offending DB's delicate sensibilities.
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Good points, I'll keep my fingers crossed that he manages to get that thing under control.
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Well said that man!I agree with what Pedrosa said, Zarco is new to MotoGP and still getting used to the new format. The bikes are faster, the riding style and lines are different and the competition is tougher. Zarco is doing an exceptional job (unbelievable actually) and all the while still getting his head around the new format. Zarco seems a pretty decent person and obviously the line he took wasn't intended to rub paint (Rossi has done much worse on plenty of occasions as have others) ... Zarco is a rookie after all and entitled to a few rookie mistakes even though it can be easy to forget that point when you see him battling for podium positions - in his 3rd ever MotoGP race - and whilst on a satellite bike. Kudo's
Personally I don't think Rossi was all that bothered by it, on the cool down lap Zarco rode up to apologise, Rossi made some silly hand gestures but then shook his hand ... most likely had moved on. He was probably more annoyed with the media in the press conference who where massively over analysing the incident, repeatedly asking questions to him about it and generally just trying to make as big a thing of it as they could.
The 0.3 second penalty was extremely reasonable, Rossi knew this and said he thought it was fair, "lets move on" was the message I got from his body language ....... The press harped on interrogating him with a line of questioning that probably made him feel like he was on trial when technically he was the one that got shunted. When the media could sense he was done with that topic they then began asking the same questions of Marc and Dani ...
The media know that any story with Rossi gets huge amounts of attention and revenue. I guess the media's tactic worked and VR eventually got draw in taking their bait ... venting his frustration (most likely with the press not letting go of the bone) making comments that made him come across like proper .... (also some what hypocritical based on his track record).... and in the process giving the media exactly the type of comments they yearned for to create more clickbait stories.
No doubt he made up time on DP and MM going off track ... mind you If I was racing I wouldnt have lifted off the gas either if i didn't have to. I'm sure If the penalty impacted the actual results he would have a different tune .....
What I found most interesting in the press conference was Rossi's opinion of the 2017 Yammy M1. Explaining how it can still be quick at the end of the race compared to the 16 (conserving tyres better maybe - lack of winglets - who knows) and validating it with his pass on Dani in the closing laps and building a decent gap. Last year he seemed to be strong during the first 5 laps then drop off until it appeared he was just hanging in there hoping to not get passed before the flag. Pity interesting news like the bike performance is quickly glossed over and gets no air time when there is a story about a pissy time penalty that ultimately had zero effect on results .... Just another storm in a tea cup.
Interesting point about the m1 keeping it's pace at the latter stages of the race, he hasn't been more than a few seconds behind the winner in all 3 races so far.
I see Daniboy the pipes are calling was too much and has prompted an identity change.
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Yeah, couldn't cope, must be this cognitive dissonance I've been expertly diagnosed with by the forum psychiatrist.
Or it could be that I asked duc to change it a couple of weeks ago
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Hmm I kind of thought they were like nipples. Thanks for the lesson in marsupials.
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