Round 3: Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas 2017

Little Walter said:

I love the whole John Wayne tough guy persona you're playing at. Everything rolls off your back like water. Isn't that right?

Yet you have a little girl tantrum when anyone speaks ill of Rossi. And this is what passes in your world for "entertainment".

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MdubSTYLIE said:

This is absolutely crazy. People are debating the merits of other members being here based on who they follow and how they post. you guys do realize this is a chat room and not your own circle of close personal friends right? It is not your right to decide who belongs here based on their opinion. This isn't North Korea. Its a ....... forum for Christ sake. A forum should be filled with a plethora of opinion and types of people some who you are really not going to like and thats on you to be an ....... to them or leave it alone. But you have two choice debate it or move on. Its getting so ....... old listening to members tell other members they don't belong here for "x" reason. We all belong here. Even if I absolutely hate your guts thats doesn't give me the right to leave. Banter will always be here if you like it or not. You can chose to attack or chose to move but if you chose to attack then don't act like the other person is somehow at fault. If you don't like it start a private chat group.

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danski said:

Did you have any thoughts about the weekends races? Or are you more interested in other members?
Just wondered.
:fishing1:

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moto vudu said:

............To answer that question, swap the position of the riders. Lets say Rossi was attempting to overtake Zarco..............

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danski said:

Did you have any thoughts about the weekends races? Or are you more interested in other members?
Just wondered.
:fishing1:

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Little Walter said:

Don't be harsh mate. I'm being entertained.

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Keshav said:

For the record, I haven't told anybody to leave. Vudu has twice disinvited me from the thread. :fishing:

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Iamapony said:

What is with the fishing emoji stuff? Is this "Bass Masters" or a motorcycle racing site?

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Gaz said:

The fishing emoji's are a message to Casey Stoner ...............

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MdubSTYLIE said:

I thought he retired from fishing to start coaching? Or did he retire from that too?

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Arrabbiata1 said:

Thank you for your civil reply.


I'm not debating anything - the point of my post was to summarise my own take on Valentino Rossi and in association with the links that I provided I was curious whether this qualifies as 'hating'?



I know. At no stage did I suggest that you were or did. I was merely summarising my own - hopefully balanced - perception of the Valentino Rossi phenomena over the years and would again be intrigued to learn whether this qualifies as hating?



Yeah, point taken, but I do find it a tad rich that you deem yourself as some higher authority to arbitrarily brand others as 'haters'.

In the case of some of the Rossi idolisers and fanatics over the years that have plagued this forum I'd vehemently disagree about the validity of some of these views Vudu - I'd prefer to gravitate to the perspective of the neutral. Otherwise I do concur. That was the essence of the post and I made precisely that point. I have both positive and negative opinions of him (you omitted that bit) - just as I do about many things. Life is rarely clear cut. However, contrary to your contentions I am impartial, and unaffiliated. Despite this, my assessment of his character is of little consequence - much like your opinions of Lorenzo's psyche or your ludicrous pronouncement that Viñales was in Marc's head when at Austin there was a strong case for the opposite contention.

Also this doesn't have to always be about Rossi - yet bizarrely that appears to be you sole crusade. And actually, as I queried earlier, respectfully, what makes you the grand arbitrator over all this? Odd that you said that, yet in spite of your own blatant subjective bias you have sanctimoniously seen fit to appoint yourself as having licence to determine who is a hater and who isn't. Strange too that your criteria only pertains to one Valentino Rossi.



I'm relieved to hear it - it certainly doesn't come across that way given your over zealous and at times vehement defence of your yellow creed. Honestly matey, you seem to take unnecessary umbrage to even the mildest criticism of your idol, where as Keshav pointed out, there have been a good many Rossi aficionados who are genuinely as you describe. Nonetheless, many including myself regard you as an valuable member of this forum and enjoy your contributions, or at least those that aren't obsessively dedicated to the monotheistic worship of Valentino Rossi - which admittedly are few and far between. Can't you for the love of God talk about something else more often? Genuinely, I'm interested in what you have to say and in fairness, genuinely appreciative that you and Daniboy (sorry Danski) don't feel the need to push this tiresome GOAT and 'nine times' nonsense at every available opportunity.



Yet now Lorenzo is irrelevant, you yourself now seem to have diverted your negative preoccupation towards Marc Márquez to the point that you'd rather he DNF than actually compete with the Factory Yamaha team. Not that I'd be so presumptuous or self righteous to brand this as 'hating' mind.

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JPSLotus said:

You still don't get it.

You came to this forum when you along with the rest of the Rossi cult followers when you thought you were going to be able to celebrate his 10th title in 2015. I suspect you probably followed this place, and took it as a personal affront that this forum was not awash in a sea of yellow jism. So much like your asinine rant prior to the COTA race where as Arrab mentioned, you were thrilled over MM crashing out at Argentina, and appeared to be sporting an erection over the prospects of him crashing out and/or not winning for the first time at COTA. You affixed your tribal banner to Vinales again as Arrab said as an insurance policy should things not pan out for VR.

Sure it's an opinion to not care for Rossi and what he represents, but I find anyone who is a legitimate fan of motorcycle racing would not be advocating for Rossi, especially in the wake of Sepang 2015 as it was really, the culmination of every .... thing he did and represented over the past decade up to that point. I actually find it to be lamentable he ever needed to do half the stuff he did. Oh, and I'm not a hater by any stretch of the imagination. I'd love to have dinner with Valentino because it would be quite interesting to discuss racing over the past 15-20 years, and I would also love to ask him some questions the GP journalist contingent refuses to ask him or call him out on.

As far as personal attacks, when you have nothing useful to say, and give me stupid responses, I tend to give the equal right back to you. I found you to be incredibly ignorant when you had the gall to come on here and try to argue the RCV was a great bike. Multiple members explained to you Marquez was flattering the bike to a level most viewers of the sport can't comprehend for whatever reason.

I don't actually care how I'm perceived on this forum. If I did, I wouldn't say what I do to you and others. Frankly, I know very little compared to a number of posters here. If I had a tenth of the knowledge that Arrab/Jumkie/Michael/Gaz/birdman/bunch of others that aren't in my head at the moment, have about GP and motorcycle racing at large, I would be thrilled. However, I do know more than you currently do, or ever will. Sadly you get bent out of shape over my dismissals of most of your laughable points, and meanwhile when Arrab takes the time to provide you with lengthy post filled with all sorts of great facts, you take a rather Trump-ian approach to it all by learning absolutely nothing from what he says. Given how easily you dismiss others who give you thoughtful replies, don't act so shocked when I and others dismiss your posts for whatever reasons they may be.

Major mental weakness? Sounds like your same laughable psychology analysis that you provided of Marc Marquez when you insisted Vinales was in his head based on god only knows what. Then when Marquez controlled the entire race at COTA --while Vinales crashed out-- there was no admission from you of, "Well, maybe he isn't as mentally weak as I thought." Actually, forget that. It was more than apparent you don't seem to grasp the sport you watch because only an ignorant follower of VR46 would ever have labeled Marquez as mentally weak...especially with how he handled Sepang 2015, and everything that came right after. He came back the next season and won the world title...something mentally weak riders do not do. And you have the gall to come on here and make the kind of moronic claim that Marquez is "mentally weak"?

You became more deranged over time and started mentioning me at every last opportunity because you are so bothered by what I say on this backwater motorcycle racing forum. Other members even commented on your constant mentioning of me around here when I said nothing about you. I've had you on ignore for quite awhile, but I just liked making unnamed allusions to you because I knew it would cause you to get even further bent out of shape. You actually started begging for a picture of me because you want to make this .... truly personal. Imagine how psychotic you have to go to that level. Seemingly every other post from you is "JPS this" or "JPS that". Why is that? You must spend quite a lot of time obsessing about me.

I even took a quick moment to find a place where you would be infinitely more happy at: Valentino Rossi 46

Enjoy mate.

P.S. If you want serious replies from me to you, then make thought out posts instead of labeling everyone with your "hater" label. It's the same thing I have continually challenged Daniboy to do. In his case I do it because I know he has actual thoughts and points to make when he wants to. If you give me a serious reply that doesn't resort to the same tired ........ you have been trotting out for the last year, I'll give you a serious response. If you....er shall we say, talk out of your ..., I'm going to give it right back to you.

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moto vudu said:

When I think of the Rossi haters on this forum, your username isn't one that jumps to my mind.

As I've said before, the members here who I view as haters are the ones that still have something negative to say even when Rossi has done nothing wrong or has a good race. For example, if Rossi wins in Jerez... his haters will claim it's because of some kind of conspiracy. That is not any form of criticism, that's hate. I criticized Lorenzo when I felt he under-performed, I didn't make up excuses to downplay his successes (in fact I always gave him his due credit).

I never said I'd rather see Marquez DNF. I stated I think it's more likely he'll DNF with Vinales keeping pressure on him.

Don't ask me to not talk about Rossi, he's usually the main subject of this forum. You seem to have an issue if I post an opposing view to a post regarding Rossi. I guess you're hoping for this forum to be a place where anti-Rossi posts can go unchallenged.

I don't ever recall participating in the little "who's the GOAT" or "who's an alien" discussions that take place on here.

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birdman said:

Ok I'll play your little game. Swap positions. Zarco is in front and runs wide at turn one. Continuing on he is off line for the next sequence of corners and 'leaves the door wide open' for Rossi to fire it up the inside. Rossi does exactly that.

Now I would have said Zarco is getting a lessen in MotoGP. One, that when you run wide and leave the door open other rides will capitalise. Two, that if you are off line and on the outside going into a turn you don't have strong track position and if another rider happens to get alongside up the inside you bassically stuffed.

Would I have called it a dirty move if it was Rossi? Probably, afterall I'm biased and affected by previous events, though watching live I just thought racing incident.

Now to the interesting part. The penalty. My opinion in reverse roles Zarco should not be penalised because it was Rossi forcing him wide, and I am biased in regards Rossi in light of past events. The interesting part is what would RD have done? Reverse riders, I reckon they would have instructed Zarco to give back the position.

I will say a lot of posts are trying to say the lead rider can do whatever they like. this is not the case. Marquez in moto2 had a habit of passing into the lead then swerving across track in front of other riders. It was deamed to be dangerous and he was told by RD to maintain line. There was plenty of track, why couldn't Rossi leave enough space for Zarco, hold the outside line, then have the superior inside line on the next switchback? Aren't we talking about one of the best wheel to wheel racers of all time?

Ok now it's you're turn. Reverse riders Rossi:MM re Sepang 15, PI 15. Rossi:Lorenzo Motegi 2010, Rossi:Stoner Laguna 08.

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birdman said:

Bloody hell the God of irony is doing damn cartwheels at this point.

Who do you think your fooling? In youre mind and mind alone you're not biased. Clearly other than in fellow davinski daniboys mind you are as biased as the rest of us. God only knows what would happen if a poor sole ever predicts a Rossi crash.

Don't even bother with the term 'hate' were not in bloody preschool here. Just give the hater .... a ....... rest for fricken ..... sake. Who the bloody hell cares who hates who, or who made who for that matter. When someone says they want Rossi to crash and die then by all means get worked up but in the mean time try playing the ball rather than the man you constantly think is doing a bodyline on you're hero. It's nothing more than talking .... getting a ride out of you not hating and wishing death on Rossi. I like him as a bike racer doesn't mean I can't at the same time view him as a 38 year old spoilt brat at times.

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moto vudu said:

Why are you hating so much?

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birdman said:

Ah you got me there ........

Edit .... if this is the one day in a millennium you're actually on the forum Duc I called vudu an ....... as a friendly jibe so don't go and ban my .... Please.

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