Rossi to test GP12 at Jerez

Goatboy · Sep 30, 2011

povol said:
And you sound like an over indulged young man , who doesnt know Gp from a hole in the ground. All you know is you want to be entertained, NOW.

I'm fascinated that you think any sport is anything more than entertainment. If I wanted to watch cars or bikes just go in circles I would go & sit beside a motorway. I'm not the bike version of a train spotter & proud of it.

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povol · Sep 30, 2011

Goatboy said:
I'm fascinated that you think any sport is anything more than entertainment. If I wanted to watch cars or bikes just go in circles I would go & sit beside a motorway. I'm not the bike version of a train spotter & proud of it.

(Warning iPhone don't let me use smilies)

I understand what Gp has become to some [entertainment, and entertainment dollars], but first and foremost, to me anyway, its a competition between engineers,technicians, and riders. The participants could care less if your entertained, like someone else said, you think these riders want to run side by side, .... no they dont. There best scenario is to clear out and stay away from the possible carnage you drool over. I have never met a racer who didnt want to build a comfortable gap on a race track. Somehow that doesnt make sense to some of you

National and International series were organized for people who didnt understand what GP is all about, you should really check them out. It sound like they have exactly what your looking for. I like the other series, i really do, i just dont get them confused with one another. I understand that bikes with spec fuels, tires engines, suspensions, etc, with above average riders will produce close racing. I also understand that bikes with the best engineers in the world, the best technicians in the world, the best 7-8 riders in the world, on hand built machines, historically produce runaway victors. To get what you want, you will ruin the very essence of Gp, because to get what you want, means slowing down the elite. When you do that, the series has lost its identity and will become just another bike racing series, all in the name of entertainment.

nomad · Sep 30, 2011

Lets be honest, in the last 10 years if someone was mighty fast, other than Rossi then Rossi would battle with them. Now he's on a duc and not competitive we end up with races where one rider is competitive, and they ride off into the distance with no real competition. No matter whether you like him or not, Rossi always made it interesting.

digger · Sep 30, 2011

nomad said:
Lets be honest, in the last 10 years if someone was mighty fast, other than Rossi then Rossi would battle with them. Now he's on a duc and not competitive we end up with races where one rider is competitive, and they ride off into the distance with no real competition. No matter whether you like him or not, Rossi always made it interesting.

its people like you who should be banned from watching gp, you just dont get it. you clearly dont have the technical prowess to understand whats going on........ (sarcastic tone

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nomad · Sep 30, 2011

digger said:
its people like you who should be banned from watching gp, you just dont get it. you clearly dont have the technical prowess to understand whats going on........ (sarcastic tone

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Please enlighten me oh exalted one

digger · Sep 30, 2011

nomad said:
Please enlighten me oh exalted one

sorry mate, this whole argument ..... me to tears

bottom line is that Rossi is the underlying problem here. Valentino Rossi is/ was the center of the motogp universe. He is a showman, and likes to act up to the camera. I believe that (most) of his fans, like myself, enjoy close faring bashing racing more than runaway winners, its just the way our minds work, hence why we are attracted to him. We love action.

Stoner fans on the other hand, are attracted to him because he is a more sterile, calculating racer, who doesnt really show us anything out there entertaining, other than his riding style. They like the way he can setup a bike to be able to handle his riding style, and then ride it lap after lap, hitting the same square centimeter each corner. This is what they get off on. But then again, they wont tell you that, because it doesnt matter who is riding it, because the bike is the real reason they tune in every week. That is what entertains them (oops ...., shouldnt have used that word!)

In my mind, this argument is a Stoner vs Rossi argument. The Stoner fans (are they really fans of the man or the bike? I dont know....), are now smiling their arses off cause he is dusting the field. They are enjoying Rossi (and his fans moreso) getting his just deserts, and they are enjoying rubbing it in. They are rubbing it in by telling others that they dont really like bike racing because they enjoy close racing. In other words, if you look past what they are saying, im pretty sure you will find, "Stoner is a real racer, Rossi is not. If you like Stoner, you are a true fan, if you like Rossi, you are not."

This is my theory behind this whole shitfight, and let me make this clear, that I dont think that this covers all Stoner and Rossi fans, just a select few.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there is no need to tell others that theirs is wrong.

beefsupreme · Sep 30, 2011

digger said:
The Stoner fans (are they really fans of the man or the bike? I dont know....)

It's a good thing nationality doesn't enter into these things. And that Hayden fans don't care he's American, etc.

hawkdriver · Sep 30, 2011

povol said:
I understand what Gp has become to some [entertainment, and entertainment dollars], but first and foremost, to me anyway, its a competition between engineers,technicians, and riders. The participants could care less if your entertained, like someone else said, you think these riders want to run side by side, .... no they dont. There best scenario is to clear out and stay away from the possible carnage you drool over. I have never met a racer who didnt want to build a comfortable gap on a race track. Somehow that doesnt make sense to some of you

National and International series were organized for people who didnt understand what GP is all about, you should really check them out. It sound like they have exactly what your looking for. I like the other series, i really do, i just dont get them confused with one another. I understand that bikes with spec fuels, tires engines, suspensions, etc, with above average riders will produce close racing. I also understand that bikes with the best engineers in the world, the best technicians in the world, the best 7-8 riders in the world, on hand built machines, historically produce runaway victors. To get what you want, you will ruin the very essence of Gp, because to get what you want, means slowing down the elite. When you do that, the series has lost its identity and will become just another bike racing series, all in the name of entertainment.

I wouldn't call it a competition when you are allowed to make the rules to suit yourself. Ducati has had the only advantage they had taken away in the name of fuel efficiency while Honda is coming out with DI at the same time, come on don't you see what they've done. I guess you also think the Honda engineers who had to switch to the magneti mareli electronics because they couldn't figure out their own were very competitive. Do you think Honda and Yamaha could keep up with Ducati if they had to come up with their own electronics? If the electronics and suspensions are available to everyone then why aren't the rest of the parts? You're worried about slowing down the elite but no complaints on the fuel limits and upcoming rev limited engines? It sounds like you enjoy the MSMA's rules just as much as they do.

povol · Sep 30, 2011

digger said:
sorry mate, this whole argument ..... me to tears

bottom line is that Rossi is the underlying problem here. Valentino Rossi is/ was the center of the motogp universe. He is a showman, and likes to act up to the camera. I believe that (most) of his fans, like myself, enjoy close faring bashing racing more than runaway winners, its just the way our minds work, hence why we are attracted to him. We love action.

Stoner fans on the other hand, are attracted to him because he is a more sterile, calculating racer, who doesnt really show us anything out there entertaining, other than his riding style. They like the way he can setup a bike to be able to handle his riding style, and then ride it lap after lap, hitting the same square centimeter each corner. This is what they get off on. But then again, they wont tell you that, because it doesnt matter who is riding it, because the bike is the real reason they tune in every week. That is what entertains them (oops ...., shouldnt have used that word!)

In my mind, this argument is a Stoner vs Rossi argument. The Stoner fans (are they really fans of the man or the bike? I dont know....), are now smiling their arses off cause he is dusting the field. They are enjoying Rossi (and his fans moreso) getting his just deserts, and they are enjoying rubbing it in. They are rubbing it in by telling others that they dont really like bike racing because they enjoy close racing. In other words, if you look past what they are saying, im pretty sure you will find, "Stoner is a real racer, Rossi is not. If you like Stoner, you are a true fan, if you like Rossi, you are not."

This is my theory behind this whole shitfight, and let me make this clear, that I dont think that this covers all Stoner and Rossi fans, just a select few.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there is no need to tell others that theirs is wrong.

You couldnt be more wrong.

This is not about Stoner vs Rossi, at least in my eyes. I have been following GP before either one was alive, so they mean nothing. It may seem that way to you, because almost without fail, the bored are Rossi fans who are not really bored with Gp, they are having withdrawl symptoms. They invested so much of their lives and energy to the cause, they are lost and ultimately bummed with life in general. I warned of this malaise about 4 years ago of what would happen when Rossi finally hit the wall and was no longer competitive. Its about how i figured it would be.

My stance is you do not .... with, and dumb down the premier prototype series in the world for the sake of making it look like a spec series.Has nothing to do with Rossi and Stoner

Goatboy · Sep 30, 2011

povol said:
I understand what Gp has become to some [entertainment, and entertainment dollars], but first and foremost, to me anyway, its a competition between engineers,technicians, and riders.

Which you watch to entertain yourself. In your pretension you are trying to paint yourself as some kind of purist when really you are just another punter, however much you would like to believe your are not.

Regardless of your snobby useless ........, I have been watching racing a long time. & I know never to turn my back on the ....... Which is why I will watch every lap of every race I can until the syphilis catches up with me. Because you never know when the close racing will happen. It could be on Sunday.

Mr Squiggle · Sep 30, 2011

digger said:
sorry mate, this whole argument ..... me to tears

bottom line is that Rossi is the underlying problem here. Valentino Rossi is/ was the center of the motogp universe. He is a showman, and likes to act up to the camera. I believe that (most) of his fans, like myself, enjoy close faring bashing racing more than runaway winners, its just the way our minds work, hence why we are attracted to him. We love action.

Stoner fans on the other hand, are attracted to him because he is a more sterile, calculating racer, who doesnt really show us anything out there entertaining, other than his riding style. They like the way he can setup a bike to be able to handle his riding style, and then ride it lap after lap, hitting the same square centimeter each corner. This is what they get off on. But then again, they wont tell you that, because it doesnt matter who is riding it, because the bike is the real reason they tune in every week. That is what entertains them (oops ...., shouldnt have used that word!)

In my mind, this argument is a Stoner vs Rossi argument. The Stoner fans (are they really fans of the man or the bike? I dont know....), are now smiling their arses off cause he is dusting the field. They are enjoying Rossi (and his fans moreso) getting his just deserts, and they are enjoying rubbing it in. They are rubbing it in by telling others that they dont really like bike racing because they enjoy close racing. In other words, if you look past what they are saying, im pretty sure you will find, "Stoner is a real racer, Rossi is not. If you like Stoner, you are a true fan, if you like Rossi, you are not."

This is my theory behind this whole shitfight, and let me make this clear, that I dont think that this covers all Stoner and Rossi fans, just a select few.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there is no need to tell others that theirs is wrong.

Wow that has to be one of the most naive posts I have ever read on this forum....having said that you are of course entitled to your own opinion

The fact you decided to play the Rossi Vs Stoner card in this debate shows a distinct lack of understanding about the fundamental issues behind this debate and what makes bike racing "entertaining" for some people.

The sideshow will NEVER be essential for my enjoyment of this sport....give me a racer who can thrash a bike to within an inch of its life, especially when on the limits of adhesion and pushing the laws of physics and I am happy as a pig in .......that is not to say I didnt find Rossis antics amusing at times but as far as wanting every racer post-Valentino to serve up mindless spectacles outside of the actual racing I couldnt give a damn....and this has NOTHING to do with rider allegiences at all.

If you believe that stage managed victories, playing up to the camera, riding around in chicken suits and pre-planned victory celebrations are the essence of good racing I must say I feel sorry for you.....and if these stage managed victory celebrations are so essential for the enjoyment of racing why was Lorenzo continually berated when last year he decided to emulate what Rossi was previously doing ...my recollection was that J-Lo copped a heap of abuse by these exact same fans of the sport when he did attempt to "entertain" the unwashed masses....probably because the only reason he actually did this was to lampoon Rossi and get up his nose....and it worked. Proving Rossi aint the only one who can play mind games.

"I believe that (most) of his fans, like myself, enjoy close faring bashing racing more than runaway winners, its just the way our minds work, hence why we are attracted to him. We love action."

I dont believe for a second that Rossi fans have a monopoly on enjoying close racing...I enjoy a close race as much as the next guy and of course would PREFER one to a processional contest....the difference is I dont EXPECT the race to be close BECAUSE of the prototype nature of this formula.

And dont feed me the line about races during the years when Valentino was dominant being more "exciting" - that would just demonstrate extreme gullibility on your part. All those "close races" were yet again perfect examples of stage managed pantomimes. Rossi was ALWAYS going to win against the competition he faced at that time for the sole reason he was WAY better than those other riders and always had top tier equipment at his disposal.

The Phillip Island race in 2003 when he received the 10 second yellow flag penalty proved that point beyond any doubt...although his victory that day was also partly due to having by far the best bike on the grid.

Historically the engineering contest is very much part and parcel of MGP and needs to be factored into the equation - too bad you dont find this aspect interesting as this is one of the reasons I was attracted to this sport over other less technologically advanced motorcycle racing series even though the latter ultimately produce a closer contest.

"Stoner is a real racer, Rossi is not. If you like Stoner, you are a true fan, if you like Rossi, you are not."

Talk about self righteous claptrap....that one takes the cake. If you got this far into reading my long wided post there is no need for any further explanation on my part.

Stoner may be WYSIWYG and have a boring persona but he sure as .... is the most exciting racer currently in the world if you like to watch someone take the fastest motorcycles on the planet to the absolute limit. Rossi is his antithesis - also an exceptional racer but a cunning and at times manipulative narcissist who also happens to be a promoters dream and a very marketable product in an age where money talks - but he isnt half as "entertaining" to watch ride a motorcycle as has been amply demonstrated this season.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there is no need to tell others that theirs is wrong."

That is the whole point of a forum isnt it? Anyway you're wrong

digger · Sep 30, 2011

Mr Squiggle said:
Wow that has to be one of the most naive posts I have ever read on this forum....having said that you are of course entitled to your own opinion

The fact you decided to play the Rossi Vs Stoner card in this debate shows a distinct lack of understanding about the fundamental issues behind this debate and what makes bike racing "entertaining" for some people.

The sideshow will NEVER be essential for my enjoyment of this sport....give me a racer who can thrash a bike to within an inch of its life, especially when on the limits of adhesion and pushing the laws of physics and I am happy as a pig in .......that is not to say I didnt find Rossis antics amusing at times but as far as wanting every racer post-Valentino to serve up mindless spectacles outside of the actual racing I couldnt give a damn....and this has NOTHING to do with rider allegiences at all.

If you believe that stage managed victories, playing up to the camera, riding around in chicken suits and pre-planned victory celebrations are the essence of good racing I must say I feel sorry for you.....and if these stage managed victory celebrations are so essential for the enjoyment of racing why was Lorenzo continually berated when last year he decided to emulate what Rossi was previously doing ...my recollection was that J-Lo copped a heap of abuse by these exact same fans of the sport when he did attempt to "entertain" the unwashed masses....probably because the only reason he actually did this was to lampoon Rossi and get up his nose....and it worked. Proving Rossi aint the only one who can play mind games.

"I believe that (most) of his fans, like myself, enjoy close faring bashing racing more than runaway winners, its just the way our minds work, hence why we are attracted to him. We love action."

I dont believe for a second that Rossi fans have a monopoly on enjoying close racing...I enjoy a close race as much as the next guy and of course would PREFER one to a processional contest....the difference is I dont EXPECT the race to be close BECAUSE of the prototype nature of this formula.

And dont feed me the line about races during the years when Valentino was dominant being more "exciting" - that would just demonstrate extreme gullibility on your part. All those "close races" were yet again perfect examples of stage managed pantomimes. Rossi was ALWAYS going to win against the competition he faced at that time for the sole reason he was WAY better than those other riders and always had top tier equipment at his disposal.

The Phillip Island race in 2003 when he received the 10 second yellow flag penalty proved that point beyond any doubt...although his victory that day was also partly due to having by far the best bike on the grid.

Historically the engineering contest is very much part and parcel of MGP and needs to be factored into the equation - too bad you dont find this aspect interesting as this is one of the reasons I was attracted to this sport over other less technologically advanced motorcycle racing series even though the latter ultimately produce a closer contest.

"Stoner is a real racer, Rossi is not. If you like Stoner, you are a true fan, if you like Rossi, you are not."

Talk about self righteous claptrap....that one takes the cake. If you got this far into reading my long wided post there is no need for any further explanation on my part.

Stoner may be WYSIWIG and have a boring persona but he sure as .... is the most exciting racer currently in the world if you like to watch someone take the fastest motorcycles on the planet to the absolute limit. Rossi is his antithesis - also an exceptional racer but a cunning and at times manipulative narcissist who also happens to be a promoters dream and a very marketable product in an age where money talks - but he isnt half as "entertaining" to watch ride a motorcycle as has been amply demonstrated this season.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there is no need to tell others that theirs is wrong."

That is the whole point of a forum isnt it? Anyway you're wrong

Im not sure you follow me squiggle. I didnt say that Rossi's method makes the show, I was trying to compare people personalities with what rider they follow and then what sort of racing they like. Rossi guys like showy ...., Stoners blokes like precision and technical .... more. THATS MY OPINION.

You sure are quick to put me down too. Why is that?

And once again, another forum member tries to force feed their ideals down someone elses throat.

Clearly I have no idea about what makes bike racing entertaining because I am a Valentino Rossi fan.

Mr Squiggle · Sep 30, 2011

digger said:
Im not sure you follow me squiggle. I didnt say that Rossi's method makes the show, I was trying to compare people personalities with what rider they follow and then what sort of racing they like. Rossi guys like showy ...., Stoners blokes like precision and technical .... more. THATS MY OPINION.

You sure are quick to put me down too. Why is that?

And once again, another forum member tries to force feed their ideals down someone elses throat.

Clearly I have no idea about what makes bike racing entertaining because I am a Valentino Rossi fan.

Probably because in the majority of your posts there is a constant stream of veiled digs at Stoner.... and I also am sick of all the continual whining by Rossi fans at how unfair life is at the moment.

Here is the thing....you and I are both fans of the best sport in the world and I am sure if we met we would would get along very well for this exact reason....I am a pretty easy going person in general but some of you guys act like you HATE the same sport you are purported to love....even tho it does have its problems it is still "interesting" to me. All this constant whining is extremely irritating, achieves nothing and to an extent lessens my enjoyment of the sport....and lets face it the MAJORITY of the whining is coming from one particular group of race fans that shall remain nameless. We didnt hear these same complaints in 2008/2009...nuff said.

Not everything is a Stoner Vs Rossi issue - this was my main point. And I am in no way trying to "force feed my ideals down someone elses throat". I am just arguing the point - exactly the same as you are doing

so no need to take my opinion as gospel as it is simply another opinion that probably doesnt mean much in the scheme of things.

"Clearly I have no idea about what makes bike racing entertaining because I am a Valentino Rossi fan."

That much is obvious

Jumkie · Sep 30, 2011

Mr Squiggle said:
Wow that has to be one of the most naive posts I have ever read on this forum....having said that you are of course entitled to your own opinion

The fact you decided to play the Rossi Vs Stoner card in this debate shows a distinct lack of understanding about the fundamental issues behind this debate and what makes bike racing "entertaining" for some people.

May I quote you? I think I will...

Mr Squiggle said:
....and ad hominem argumentum does not sit well with me so answer the question and dont attack me as if I have zero credibility on this point and have been inconsistent in all of my previous posts.

If you can I will admit you are right...if not STFU

I guess its only ok when you do it.

Btw, I agree with Digger's premise, that this "boring" racing reaction debate of late by you and a few others is nothing more than Stover vs Rossi debate. You boys think anybody who dislikes a lack of close racing must therefore describe it as such because they are Boppers (and or they don't get what is "prototype racing, yes, i'm repeating myself). Some of you even came right out and said it, that is until you guys realized that a respected member had said the racing was a "snooze fest". Opps, time to backpedal.

Sorry Suigz, you know we agree on 98% of the takes, but this one issue recently has been exactly what Digger said, its just another Stoner vs Rossi argument. And that is my problem with it, as I also think the racing is utterly processional and God knows I'm not a Bopper, and or a Stoner detractor (and despite Pov belief to the contrary, I think I know a little bit about what is "prototype racing).

But I can sleep cozy and night knowing that you are simply rooting for your guy and using Bopper tactics. (<<Ad Hominem) That last part was a joke...sorta ah.

digger · Sep 30, 2011

Mr Squiggle said:
Probably because in the majority of your posts there is a constant stream of veiled digs at Stoner.... and I also am sick of all the continual whining by Rossi fans at how unfair life is at the moment.

Here is the thing....you and I are both fans of the best sport in the world and I am sure if we met we would would get along very well for this exact reason....I am a pretty easy going person in general but some of you guys act like you HATE the same sport you are purported to love....even tho it does have its problems it is still "interesting" to me. All this constant whining is extremely irritating, achieves nothing and to an extent lessens my enjoyment of the sport....and lets face it the MAJORITY of the whining is coming from one particular group of race fans that shall remain nameless. We didnt hear these same complaints in 2008/2009...nuff said.

Not everything is a Stoner Vs Rossi issue - this was my main point. And I am in no way trying to "force feed my ideals down someone elses throat". I am just arguing the point - exactly the same as you are doing

so no need to take my opinion as gospel as it is simply another opinion that probably doesnt mean much in the scheme of things.

"Clearly I have no idea about what makes bike racing entertaining because I am a Valentino Rossi fan."

That much is obvious

I never have veiled digs at stoner, I take the piss out of him right out in the open.

Im pretty sure that you will also never find me to be a one eyed, upset valentino fan. I will in good humour, bag the .... out of his rivals, and will want him to do well whenever possible, but I will not call the sport ......... because my bloke isnt winning. That just isnt me.

I still find the sport interesting, and always will, but I, apparently like you, love close racing AND the technical aspect. I guess that makes us better fans than the guys that only like one or the other hey?

Now if you will excuse me, I've got to go put water in Adriana Stoners dish.....

birdman · Sep 30, 2011

digger said:
Im not sure you follow me squiggle. I didnt say that Rossi's method makes the show, I was trying to compare people personalities with what rider they follow and then what sort of racing they like. Rossi guys like showy ...., Stoners blokes like precision and technical .... more. THATS MY OPINION.

You sure are quick to put me down too. Why is that?

And once again, another forum member tries to force feed their ideals down someone elses throat.

Clearly I have no idea about what makes bike racing entertaining because I am a Valentino Rossi fan.

I understand what you are saying and cant deny riders personalities do interest me as much as the bikes. Stoner and Rossi are basically polar opposites so they are a focal point. But the way I read the boring arguement is a question of who should rule motogp?

Many peeps might want the riders (Rossi) to be the ruler because he's the most entertaining. Thus the rules must be changed to make Rossi's bike (Ducati), tyres (Bridgestone - Indy), whatever more competitive. Or alternatively to prevent Honda being more competitive (boring). Thats the part I dont agree with. Rossi can just do his time on the POS as far as I'm concerned. Thats entertainment in itself.

Others want the manufacturers to be the rulers. This is the part I agree with. Riders come and go, the manufacturers are the ones that continue on. Its not Rossi or Dorna or fans, its bikes that comes first and make the show possible in the first place. Remember Rossi vs Honda, the fall-out, the move to Yamaha, the battle. Rossi prevailed, yet on spec or equal bikes that would never have happened in the first place would it?

Why change rules to favour Suzuki, when they are putting less into motogp than Honda. This year Suzuki has shown to me they are the ones at fault not the rules, because by concentrating development on Bautista they arent so bad after all and catching up.

Why penalise Honda for putting more into motogp than anyone else?

Jumkie · Sep 30, 2011

Mr Squiggle said:
and I also am sick of all the continual whining by Rossi fans at how unfair life is at the moment. Here is the thing....

That's because you see any complain with Stoner-colored glasses. You perceive any "whining" about the sport as only coming from Rossi fans. So any legit issues must therefor take the for as bopperism. Exactly as you have stated above.

Mr Squiggle said:
.... but some of you guys act like you HATE the same sport you are purported to love....even tho it does have its problems it is still "interesting" to me. All this constant whining is extremely irritating, achieves nothing and to an extent lessens my enjoyment of the sport....and lets face it the MAJORITY of the whining is coming from one particular group of race fans that shall remain nameless.

Shall remain nameless? Are really are disconnected, and even from your own posts lately. Uhm, newsflash, you already named this group, look at your own post just a few lines above your claim that you will not name names. hahaha. Jesus, and I thought Boppers were disconnected with reality. Dude, again, you make my point, you perceive the world much like the yellow-colored "nameless " army, that is, any critic of the series must therefore be a Rossi fan whine. Please, distinguish my friend. You seem like in denial that the racing really is processional, maybe the people calling it a "snooze fest" imagined it?

Mr Squiggle said:
We didnt hear these same complaints in 2008/2009...nuff said.

Incorrect, I've been hearing this complain for years now. Including those years and by some of the same people I might add.

Mr Squiggle said:
Not everything is a Stoner Vs Rossi issue - this was my main point.

No, I think that IS the point. And that is in fact the point that Digger was making (which you called naive).

Mr Squiggle said:
And I am in no way trying to "force feed my ideals down someone elses throat". I am just arguing the point - exactly the same as you are doing

so no need to take my opinion as gospel as it is simply another opinion that probably doesnt mean much in the scheme of things.

Really? Well you fooled me. I'm pretty sure you wanted everybody to believe that the "racing" is exciting or we are just not appreciative of the sport or understand the sport. Ok, so are you saying its ok for some people to call the "racing" boring? I know you hate that word, but since you are "not trying to force feed us" your opinion, then can people have theirs? Again, please distinguish between the racing aspect of the show. I know you and others (namely Pov) think that we are watching the epitome of "prototype" racing, and only in its current for is it not "contrived" (though its created by me with all manner of motives).

Love, Jumkie.

Mr Squiggle · Sep 30, 2011

To be perfectly honest Jumkie I feel it is a waste of my time debating you at times as you seem preoccupied with one thing only....getting a rise out of people for your own jollies.

If you believe quoting people out of context, ignoring my requests to provide proof of my lack of consistency on this issue and extreme word counts are prerequisites for an informed debate good for you - but I simply wont repond to any more of your posts as they are becoming extremely irritating and serve no purpose other than proving you with a platform for your own personal entertainment.

As I have now stated on numerous occasions the racing IS "boring" if you only take into account the battle for the lead.....I find a myriad of other aspects to the sport that keeps me interested....you obviously dont. Poor you.

It seems like you to want to argue for the sake of arguing. Nothing more. Until you have something interesting to say I will no longer respond to your posts.

BarryMachine · Sep 30, 2011

I wouldn't worry about the "boring" ..... it all ceases the moment Rossi runs away with one, and suddenly it was the "race of the century"

Boppers!

........ you can't live with them, and you can't live with them ....... as the old saying doesn't go.

birdman · Sep 30, 2011

Jumkie said:
I know you and others (namely Pov) think that we are watching the epitome of "prototype" racing, and only in its current for is it not "contrived" (though its created by me with all manner of motives).

I dont think we are watching the epitome of prototype racing. The over-reaction to 2007's boring racing was to move to spec tyres. So please show me how much better it is now to have spec rather than prototype tyres, how much better the racing is. Do we really want moto3? When its moto3 who do you reckon development of the spec bikes will be based around? Same riders as now, the fastest? What happens when the gap gets wider still?

Rossi to test GP12 at Jerez

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