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Rossi to test GP12 at Jerez

Gretzky?

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Is he like the Gary Ablett of Ice Hockey? All kidding aside I have at least heard of him even tho I dont follow the sport....so he must be good.



I cant see him beating Rossi on the Duc though
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Is he like the Gary Ablett of Ice Hockey? All kidding aside I have at least heard of him even tho I dont follow the sport....so he must be good.



I cant see him beating Rossi on the Duc though
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God of hockey
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Gretz may get less DNF's than RDP though
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Dude I have never layed claim to knowing how to fix all of MGP's current ills....and ad hominem argumentum does not sit well with me so answer the question and dont attack me as if I have zero credibility on this point and have been inconsistent in all of my previous posts.



As I have already stated (which you conveniently ignored) show me a single post I have made where I have ever stated the rules should be changed to produce closer racing in THIS particular prototype racing series because I am "bored" with who is winning. If you can I will admit you are right...if not STFU
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Good luck with that.



Jum is the worlds worst when it comes to defending his stance. He is the guy that will ask a protector of the 2nd amendment " so , its ok with you when kids get gunned down on sidewalks". He will sometimes even champion a subject he doesnt believe in just to play devils advocate. His post above is a perfect example when he says " Squiz, so then u think the current formula is perfect, and hav never had an issue with it?"

Its a sign of frustration of not being able to sway opinion when people say .... like this. I dont know of ANYONE who thinks the current formula is perfect, including Squiz. However, i will live with it before i will get on board with turning GP into big bore version of Moto2.
 
Good luck with that.



Jum is the worlds worst when it comes to defending his stance. He is the guy that will ask a protector of the 2nd amendment " so , its ok with you when kids get gunned down on sidewalks". He will sometimes even champion a subject he doesnt believe in just to play devils advocate. His post above is a perfect example when he says " Squiz, so then u think the current formula is perfect, and hav never had an issue with it?"

Its a sign of frustration of not being able to sway opinion when people say .... like this. I dont know of ANYONE who thinks the current formula is perfect, including Squiz. However, i will live with it before i will get on board with turning GP into big bore version of Moto2.



Its all good....Jumks knows I love him....except when he disagrees with me ...then he can go .... himself
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Dude I have never layed claim to knowing how to fix all of MGP's current ills....and ad hominem argumentum does not sit well with me so answer the question and dont attack me as if I have zero credibility on this point and have been inconsistent in all of my previous posts.



As I have already stated (which you conveniently ignored) show me a single post I have made where I have ever stated the rules should be changed to produce closer racing in THIS particular prototype racing series because I am "bored" with who is winning. If you can I will admit you are right...if not STFU
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Ah, thats a couple of times ur gonna cry foul and pull the ad homie card, BUT its okay for u to take digs (not ad homi?) on the high horse that ur not "bored" becuz thats such a bad word. Sure got it. Double standard much?



Typical tactic, using the "show me wher i said it', attempting to frame the argument as u see fit, and think its ur silver bullet not realizing that this is not the point of debate. The point is that ur claiming the formula is perfect (since u claim uve never criticized it) and hence the racing it produces must by logic be perfect; therefore, those that can appreciate it like u myst be ignorant or hav bias motive. Ur campaign against those who see the racing processional and describe it as such must therefore want the rules to be contrived. U and Pov must think the rules are an Immaculate Conception. Again, as if the rules are some mana from heaven.
 
Racing isn't about passing because they're on prototypes lmao. The .... is getting boring and the excuses of saving money so more can race is pure ......... Honda have a transmission that cost more than a mansion and the use of extremely exotic metals is still allowed. How about the FIM make a rule that if you supply satellite bikes they have to be the same spec as the factory bikes.
 
Racing isn't about passing because they're on prototypes lmao. The .... is getting boring and the excuses of saving money so more can race is pure ......... Honda have a transmission that cost more than a mansion and the use of extremely exotic metals is still allowed. How about the FIM make a rule that if you supply satellite bikes they have to be the same spec as the factory bikes.

Rules are sacred. Well at least they have become lately according to Suigz and Pov. So any rules changes are because you don't understand the sport or you are just tired of seeing Stoner win. You probably should pay more attention to the super slow motion cameras, that way you won't be aware that the race is a glorified qual session.
 
Rules are sacred. Well at least they have become lately according to Suigz and Pov. So any rules changes are because you don't understand the sport or you are just tired of seeing Stoner win. You probably should pay more attention to the super slow motion cameras, that way you won't be aware that the race is a glorified qual session.

I guess suigz and pov forgot that the rules are made by the MSMA and not by a governing body that has .... to do with real racing. I'll be happy when the MSMA have their power taken away. Anyone who thinks gp is about prototypes is fooling themselves, the rules are clearly setup for what suits the major factories. Could you imagine how much better the racing would be if they were all on factory equivalent bikes, the factories would never take the risk of being beaten by a sat team and I bet the grid would grow with sponsorship and race teams if they thought they had a real shot of getting an occasional podium.

I didn't like the idea of the CRT bikes at first but the more I think about it the more I like it, get the msma out of racing and let teams buy and create whatever they want to race.
 
Ah, thats a couple of times ur gonna cry foul and pull the ad homie card, BUT its okay for u to take digs (not ad homi?) on the high horse that ur not "bored" becuz thats such a bad word. Sure got it. Double standard much?



Typical tactic, using the "show me wher i said it', attempting to frame the argument as u see fit, and think its ur silver bullet not realizing that this is not the point of debate. The point is that ur claiming the formula is perfect (since u claim uve never criticized it) and hence the racing it produces must by logic be perfect; therefore, those that can appreciate it like u myst be ignorant or hav bias motive. Ur campaign against those who see the racing processional and describe it as such must therefore want the rules to be contrived. U and Pov must think the rules are an Immaculate Conception. Again, as if the rules are some mana from heaven.

Your doing it again

So, in your world, if something is not perfect, its worthy of criticism.
 
Your doing it again

So, in your world, if something is not perfect, its worthy of criticism.

Unlike you, I don't march in lock step with the puppet masters that tell you what to accept. Yes, of course, any system that needs improvement is fair game to examine and critic. Are you still stuck on Manifest Destiny my friend?
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Its simple, the current formula has been described by rider and expert as one that requires the racer to negotiate wheels in line making overtaking rather a rare occurrence producing "typical" processional racing. The previous formula allowed for riders to slide and power through a bit more and square up the turns, allowing for various lines, in the final year of development resulting in significantly more passing. Two different formulas, both created by men. Why do you suppose a topic of interest has been this issue of electronics in recent years? Newsflash, because its made the racing "typical" (some might even go so far as to describe it as a snooze fest). Interestingly enough, neither you nor those arguing that the racing isn't "boring" have been unwilling to challenge Kropo in his previous description. So you make processional threads, back to back, to dispense the idea that if anything is described as "boring" that person must have the problem. So, yeah, I guess watching the grass grow is not boring to a botanist, whoopee you are a genius.
 
You really need to follow speedway Jum.
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MGP has never been about "close racing". Its prototype racing, where they are constantly trying to find an advantage over the other bikes/rider combo. You need a homologated series like say the Pee Wee cup. where all the bikes are produced the same ......... result ....... is generally pretty bike independent.



Expecting close racing, and indeed whining about it, from a series not designed to give "close racing" is just banging your head against a brick wall.
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It also stuns me that so many claim to be fans of "close racing" ......... in any race I ever entered, it was never a goal "lets all go out there and swap position right up till the end of the race!!" what an absolutely idiotic proposition. In reality I guess it shows the predominance of fans these days who have absolutely no empathy for the riders/racers at all. HTF can you ever appreciate racing if you have absolutely no idea of what each rider/racer is attempting to do!?
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Close racing ........ pffft ..... get real ! Buy a slot car set and have the cars linked to lap around side by side if thats how you get your kicks.
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Do you and your smiley faces just deliberatly write .... to try to get a rise out of people.
 
MotoGP has always been best bike + best rider = dominant year. When has there been a close championship battle over the last 10 years besides the Rossi/Hayden fight of 2006. All the champions over the last decade have had dominent years with much bigger points gaps than this year, so why is this year "typical". Have a look at the difference between 1st & 2nd in the championship over the last decade, this covers 500, 990 & 800 formulas:



2010 Lorenzo + 138 points

2009 Rossi + 45

2008 Rossi + 93

2007 Stoner + 125

2006 Hayden + 5

2005 Rossi + 147

2004 Rossi + 47

2003 Rossi + 80

2002 Rossi + 140

2001 Rossi + 106



This emphatically shows that a close championship fight is not a historical part of MotoGP, and don't say close racing has always been a feature, because those statistics show it hasn't. If there was close racing, then it should have been a close championship. When Rossi was dominent in 2001 to 2005, he tended to ride around at say 90% & then gap the field at will in the last portion of the race when he needed to. Why was this racing so good? You new exactly what was going to happen, when he was going to do it & what the result was going to be in most cases, much like this year, or last year. What annoys me is the comments of boring racing have been loudest over 2 years in particular, 2007 & 2011. What I want to know is why these years, as opposed to other years!
 
2010: Jerez

2009: Catalunya, Sachsenring

2008: Laguna

2006: Assen, Sachsenring, Estoril

2005: Jerez, Qatar

2004: Phakisa, Phillip Island

2003: Sachsenring



Show me anything in 2011 that has come even close to anything on that list?
 
2002 was boring

2001: Phillip Island.



...., even 2007 had Catalunya.



All but one of these had a common denominator.
 
2010: Jerez

2009: Catalunya, Sachsenring

2008: Laguna

2006: Assen, Sachsenring, Estoril

2005: Jerez, Qatar

2004: Phakisa, Phillip Island

2003: Sachsenring



Show me anything in 2011 that has come even close to anything on that list?

2011: Sachsenring
 
Unlike you, I don't march in lock step with the puppet masters that tell you what to accept. Yes, of course, any system that needs improvement is fair game to examine and critic. Are you still stuck on Manifest Destiny my friend?
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Its simple, the current formula has been described by rider and expert as one that requires the racer to negotiate wheels in line making overtaking rather a rare occurrence producing "typical" processional racing. The previous formula allowed for riders to slide and power through a bit more and square up the turns, allowing for various lines, in the final year of development resulting in significantly more passing. Two different formulas, both created by men. Why do you suppose a topic of interest has been this issue of electronics in recent years? Newsflash, because its made the racing "typical" (some might even go so far as to describe it as a snooze fest). Interestingly enough, neither you nor those arguing that the racing isn't "boring" have been unwilling to challenge Kropo in his previous description. So you make processional threads, back to back, to dispense the idea that if anything is described as "boring" that person must have the problem. So, yeah, I guess watching the grass grow is not boring to a botanist, whoopee you are a genius.

All this stuff on 990 squaring the corners etc, yet when looking back at the period there was little evidence of this by most riders. Bikes dont square corners riders do. Put Gary McCoy, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz, Mick Doohan, Wayne Gardner all on 800's what do you reckon they do? Answer ride the same way they did on 500's, and turn down the electronics like Stoner does.



I'll make one concession to the boring snoozefest. Many say the best way to fix motogp is simply to ban wheelie control, resulting in more passes of the Stoner/Lorenzo type at Laguna. Especially when its 1000's. I agree with this.
 
Whoopty ...., 12 whole races in 10 years. For every close race, i can give you 5 that wasnt, regardless of formula. Coupe is 100% right and saying the same thing i have been saying all along. This class is not designed to bring about close racing or championships . But hey, keep on whining and you might just get what you ask for, Moto3, yipee.
 

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