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Morning sweetheart.
No agendas from me Jumks. The rules as they stand suck so I actually agree with you and dont understand what you are continually ranting about. My take is I dont know how to fix things...I aint smart enough. Do you know the secret cure-all formula that will fix MGPs current woes?
I noticed in a previous post you were arguing for less electronics.....I will quote you verbatim....
"Just about everybody has condemned the preponderance of electronics and lack of torque in the current formula. Which has been blamed by all, riders, media, & spectators for the lack of close racing"
I agree with you in principle - less electronics would be wonderful (can we sing Kumbaya now). However, who do you think this would advantage (because all rule changes will advantage certain individuals and disadvantage others)....perhaps less TC/Electonics might make Stoner even more formidable dont you think....law of unintended consequences strikes again hey!
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What 2 laps to go? Unlike Laguna 08? Ok whatever you reckon I get where this is heading.
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You just sound like a boring old man who doesn't know what fun is. The bike racing equivalent of a pipe smoking, tweed wearing, sandles with socks sporting, dead inside, jazz fan.
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Not for the win, Pedro was in the lead at half distance. I just watched the highlights.
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Maybe they should go back to the 500 strokers...because there were so many close races in that formula. 1997 being the perfect example
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Of course he was. Now wheres my pipe and sandles haha. Not jazz though, prefer Van Halen Roth era Hot for Teacher much to the dismay of my kids - whats with this guitar .... dad?
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And you sound like an over indulged young man , who doesnt know Gp from a hole in the ground. All you know is you want to be entertained, NOW.
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Good evening precious.
Like all good friends, we agree on 'most' stuff. U just happen to be wrong on the little stuff we disagree on.
My only knock on this little exchange started when u burried ur little dig deep in ur post aimed at peeps finding the racing less than exciting. Thats what spawned my reaction. O think u guys hav gine a bit iverboard on the grandstanding over the use of "boring". Ya feel me.
Good evening precious.
Like all good friends, we agree on 'most' stuff. U just happen to be wrong on the little stuff we disagree on.
My only knock on this little exchange started when u burried ur little dig deep in ur post aimed at peeps finding the racing less than exciting. Thats what spawned my reaction. O think u guys hav gine a bit iverboard on the grandstanding over the use of "boring". Ya feel me.
Perhaps not to your entire surprise, I see some middle ground on the issue in question.
I am opposed to contrived close racing , such as the convenient yellow flags in nascar that wipe out a race long advantage that a driver may have won by having a better set-up and driving better for nearly all of a race. I was also surprised, when I looked up the results for one of the seasons in the late 80s to prove a point about how many genuine contenders there were for race wins in that era, that some of the races were won by 20 seconds or more, even with all those great riders. I generally have a very good memory and watched most of those races live, but this was not my recollection and obviously rose tinted glasses came into play.
On the other hand, the problem with the current formula is that close racing more or less cannot occur even if competitors are evenly matched, for all the reasons you have listed, particularly the "one-line " thing imposed by the fuel economy basis of the formula. Most close races in recent years have involved very different strengths in rider/ bike/strategy/tactics serendipitously equaling out at a given track on a given day, such as laguna seca 2008 and 2011 and even catalunya 2007. It is wrong for a formula to preclude close racing even if the riders are equal.
Yeah but that won't keep gp alive, how many times have we seen 15 to 16 bikes on the grid with only 4-5 bikes being competitive enough to win. Someone like KR can't come into the sport anymore and compete against the factories.
OK, say there another 6 competative bikes on the grid equivalent to the current factory rides. Now, name me 6 riders who could get on & ride them as well as Stoner, Lorenzo & Pedrosa. If you can't, then increasing the grid size will make absolutely no difference to the racing at the front at all. All it would do is make the midfield battle tougher, which has already been quite good this year.
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As long as i can remember, and thats a long ....... time. In fact, i remember when there were much less than 4-5 bikes capable of winning on a given day. It was usually 1-2, and sometimes a 3rd in a straight up race
Spot on Pov. I recall a certain rider in 2002 riding the new fangled 990, while everyone else was on the old 500 or the "total piece of crap" Yamaha which he would later ride, coming 1st or 2nd in every race he finished. That year i think you would say there was only one competative bike on the grid, but that rider was credited as being a genius & the racing was exceptional.
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Spot on.
Maybe we can performance index the riders. Take qualifying and reverse the field, anything to amuse the bored.
You make your own luck mate, they werent gonna give the bike to anyone else now, were they? He earned that ride in exactly the same way Stoner has earned his, by being very very quick
Spot on.
Maybe we can performance index the riders. Take qualifying and reverse the field, anything to amuse the bored.
All of
Spot on.
Maybe we can performance index the riders. Take qualifying and reverse the field, anything to amuse the bored.
Spot on.
Maybe we can performance index the riders. Take qualifying and reverse the field, anything to amuse the bored.
If somebody is 30 seconds better, I have no problem with them winning by 30 seconds, and I was more than happy to watch mick doohan doing so, just as many complaining about the inevitability of the current racing weren't particularly upset by valentino winning 10 or 12 races a year.
There is a problem with the formula though, and I think valentino's criticism of it when he was winning is valid; ie that the outcome is now mostly determined early, the relative pace of the bikes/riders is obvious in the first few laps and then doesn't change, with the tyres lasting to the end of the races, the top riders making few if any mistakes, and alternative lines which might add interest or aid overtaking usually carrying a fuel efficiency penalty. I obviously agree his fans are not in a strong position to complain about bike advantages.
Well I'm not just talking about action at the front. We have no clue how good any of these guys could be if we put them all factory bikes or how often someone like CE could have had a surprise podium if he was on a factory bike. Keeping with CE as an example, how many times have we seen Jlo or Ben not get a good setup, CE could have easily been in the mix had he factory bike. The rules are geared towards Honda and yamaha, there is no denying that any longer. It's time for that to change and gp to be run by the governing body instead of the msma. If you don't see the huge conflict of intrest there you are no fan of racing. The future is in the CRT bikes and it can't come soon enough.
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Colin had 4 years on a factory Yamaha and his best results were marginally better than his best on the tech 3. His teammate during that time did much better. We have 4 riders at the current time who are just a lot better than the rest of the field, you could put the whole grid on identical bikes, and those 4 would be at the front. In some ways, Gp is somewhat like the AMA was a few years ago, except they had 2 riders that were superior, and some fans whined and got bored with them winning every race. One guy left and dominated WSBK, the other took the dumbed down bike and ran away with the title again, then quit out of frustration of having to race SS bikes.Sometimes as a fan, you just have to admit that some are just better than others, and as long as they are around, competitiveness is going to be skewed.
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