Valentino Keegan or Kevin Rossi?
"You can tell Jorge now, I'm still fighting for this title and he's got to go to Valencia and get something.
And I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if I beat him. Love it."
"You can tell Jorge now, I'm still fighting for this title and he's got to go to Valencia and get something.
And I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if I beat him. Love it."
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italy
The article is a disgrace..lmao Yamaha threatened??
Rossi simply wants to continue only if he manages to keep up with the pace.
Last two years he did.
Lorenzo wants to continue with Yamaha too, but Ducati's offer is interesting. End of the story. He just needs to decide.
They don't like being together but they will stay together if they need to. Nobody is pushing out the other, nobody is threatening anybody.
people really believe anything they read on the internet
"diariogol.com" is afootball "website". Never heard of it. And this is a clear example of clickbait. You guys are so desperate you ended up looking for stupid foreign garbage articles to translate. (stupid and foreign are not realted obviously, there are great spanish GP websites too).
The more threads I read on this forum, the more I think common IQ is low
Rossi simply wants to continue only if he manages to keep up with the pace.
Last two years he did.
Lorenzo wants to continue with Yamaha too, but Ducati's offer is interesting. End of the story. He just needs to decide.
They don't like being together but they will stay together if they need to. Nobody is pushing out the other, nobody is threatening anybody.
people really believe anything they read on the internet
"diariogol.com" is afootball "website". Never heard of it. And this is a clear example of clickbait. You guys are so desperate you ended up looking for stupid foreign garbage articles to translate. (stupid and foreign are not realted obviously, there are great spanish GP websites too).
The more threads I read on this forum, the more I think common IQ is low
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In Cider
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NJ
Coming from the guy who thinks violating every known copyright law is perfectly acceptable, you shouldn't really be discussing low IQ's since you're the league leader.
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Your Mom's House
Wouldn't it be great if we heard these words:
"Yamaha have to decide between me and Jorge for 2017," said Rossi. "I have a great option to join Ducati err i mean Aprilia."
"I could change bike, ride for Ducati err I mean Aprilia and try to win the world championship with an Italian bike. That would be a great motivation."
Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle...aha-lorenzo-ultimatum/8732.html#ixzz40cuxwDc9
Check out Stoner's expression. Hahaha
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Your Mom's House
Do you remember those commercials, when E.F. Hutton talks, people listen.
Well, when Valentino Rossi talks, the world ..... Tiffany cuff links, the fandom voice is 'hurd', the organizers makes new rules, providers make new tires, and motorhome meetings produce results. You can bet your ... Yamaha are under the gun. Last time VR left he was ushered back with the influence of the League and a division higher than the race team.
Make no mistake my friend, VR has considerable bargainingpower:
https://www.change.org/p/motogp-dor...-and-bring-back-integrity-to-the-championship
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2016/Feb/160206a.htm
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport...-penalty-point-system-after-rossi-punishment/
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Tennessee
Rossi has vetoed teammates and threatened teams his entire career, why in the hell would you have such a hard time believing it now when Rossi is at the most desperate time in his career. The odds of this being true are over 50% based on history.
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Tennessee
To start with, the petition accomplished nothing except to show how damn childish Rossi fans are. The new RD is a dog and pony show who still have not said what their expected to do. The penalty rule change was a loop that needed closed. I don't believe in continually punishing someone over and over for the same offense. It would have been changed regardless of rider. Sometimes stupid rules have unexpected results when the stupid people made them, like the Spies rule that never affected Spies or any other rider. None of that gives Rossi bargaining power with Yamaha. He may still have Dorna eating out of his hand, but Yamaha has shown it has the balls to let him walk and that was when he was at the height of his power. He is delusional if he thinks Yamaha will pick him if another ultimatum is given.
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Your Mom's House
All three of those links represent the Rossi-centric actions and reactions of his influence upon the sport. None of that .... happens unless it was Rossi. Yamaha are not immune to it, in fact they were coerced to take him back after they had the "balls" to let him go. Two main principals of the team were on record saying they didn't want him back, yet he was wedged back at Yamaha. We are a very small minority here, the majority still see VR as a diety, hence that petition, hence the League's knee-jerk reaction.
(For the record, I disagree with your analysis of the penalty system, you don't get points taken off your license because you attended traffic school or paid the fine. It was designed to be cumulative, the rationale is deterrence on a sliding scale over time. The points stay to insure you behave. You don't go running red lights after you paid the ticket for a red light because the cops can't issue that ticket anymore. The change to the system was to shield Rossi after the one point drops. Having Rossi running around with 3 points is very precarious for business, not safety, where safety is the whole rationale for the way the system was designed. Having three points would have been a very powerful deterrent for misbehavior. Dorna eliminated that deterrence, specifically to shield Rossi. Period.)
(For the record, I disagree with your analysis of the penalty system, you don't get points taken off your license because you attended traffic school or paid the fine. It was designed to be cumulative, the rationale is deterrence on a sliding scale over time. The points stay to insure you behave. You don't go running red lights after you paid the ticket for a red light because the cops can't issue that ticket anymore. The change to the system was to shield Rossi after the one point drops. Having Rossi running around with 3 points is very precarious for business, not safety, where safety is the whole rationale for the way the system was designed. Having three points would have been a very powerful deterrent for misbehavior. Dorna eliminated that deterrence, specifically to shield Rossi. Period.)
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This forum is a small corner of the internet with a significant proportion of posters who have a different view than prevails elsewhere, particularly in regard to the late season events of the 2015 season, and most have arguments to back their views whether those views are right or wrong. If incorrect, the arguments should be fairly easy for you to rebut; motherhood statements and argumentum ad hominem won't cut it, however.
I should point out that there is a strong history of quite widespread majority opinion being incorrect, in science and other spheres; there was once a close to unanimous view the earth was flat, for instance.
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Tennessee
If you want to compare Dorna's penalty system with common law, then I would have just two words " double jeopardy "
I have to say it didn't make much sense to me either, whatever the impetus to change it, like the previous rookie rule which was also a stupid rule.
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Out of Nowhere
You say 'once'. Have you seen the .... that rebounds around the vacuous echo-chamber of the internet these days? The psychology of this is fascinating. This so called 'truther' movement is more pervasive than you think. It seems that these people deem an afternoon watching 'YouTube' conspiracy videos as 'research' and the likes of Alex Jones, Russ Tanner, Art Bell, Jeff Rense and David Icke as legitimate investigative journalists, activists and sages. Dare to disagree and you are immediately branded a troll, a 'disinformation agent', paid government shill, 'sheople' or accused of being 'asleep'. A cursory glance at one of these foolish moon landing hoax videos and you immediately lift the lid on a pandoras box filled with chemtrails, geoengineering, 'FEMA' camps, false flag theories, Agenda 21, flouride, anti-vaccination, etc etc perpetrated by all manner snake oil salesmen, quacktitioners and pseudoscientists. Easy to dismiss as a rational skeptic, but increasingly people are lacking this critical faculty to do so..and that's a real concern. Thus the easily spooked, the uneducated, the gullible and naive are instantly snared by the domino effect and their impressionable minds topple. But at the same time they appear to derive a sense of empowerment - self efficacy perhaps, that in reproducing this ..... they are 'awake' and privy to some arcane knowledge forgetting that the origin was the comments section of YouTube. Suddenly their dull lives are assigned some significance, and this breeds a dreadful sanctimonious superiority over what they perceive as the 'herd'. Irony is, there is an inverse relationship between their perception of 'truth' and reality. The more 'awakened' these people perceive themselves to be, the more closed minded and irrational the outcome. Science is a lie, it seems that the anecdotal is becoming gospel...and in a nation such as the USA where some 48% would entertain the notion of creationism, or the UK where it is one in six, this is perhaps as literal as it is metaphorical
General idea seems to revolve around a global elite, or illuminati, comprised of a cabal of zionist lucifer worshipping masonic bankers dedicated to global depopulation which they will achieve by a series of dastardly and nefarious schemes such as 'chemtrails' and excessive flouride in your water to 'calcify' the pineal gland. Unsurprisingly, it seems to attract the religious extremists, the gun toting far right smarting from the perceived erosion of their civil liberties, the anti semites and the xenophobes and seems to generally thrive on maintaining ignorance, fear, discrimination and prejudice.
The point being, in entertaining any popular manufactured internet conspiracy theory you're then only a mouse click away from the emergent (or re-emergent) flat earth movement...or is it a hollow earth? They don't seem to be able to make their minds up. Anyway...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/flat-earth-believers-youtube-videos-conspiracy-theorists
I agree, not that I could have written anything so eloquent myself. I despair for critical thought in the modern age; my brother, a considerable english and history scholar and an english teacher of some excellence also despairs, many of his students now having the conviction that they don't need to learn anything given that all knowledge is apparently immediately available on the internet.
I fear motogp, and particularly the motop internet forums/fora, are a microcosm of the wider world and wider internet, since disagreement with what is at best a conspiracy theory apparently qualifies he/she who disagrees as a "troll" and "hater".
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unda cheese
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Out of Nowhere
Right...and yet the fallacious idea endures that American's don't get satire. Oh wait, it commercially bombed in the U.S. didn't it.
Friend of mine who has every episode of King of the Hill on a hard drive ran me a copy a few years ago - although I think it became available on DVD.
