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We all see ourselves as the agrived parties. Blame enough to go around. Only way to move ahead is for all parties to stop finger pointing. When resentments have dragged on this long its impossible for anyone to be objective. In any negotiation for peace the best outcome is where everybody feels equally like they've got the short end of the stick.


Don't mistake my praise of Baz for any kind of "alliance ". What I said can be taken at face value. Numerous members have PM-d me with words of support and I have on several occasions told them I don't want a Us against them dynamic, same as I did early on when folks were bagging on Rog's site.

Never thought Zoot was a saint- but found him only slightly more obnoxious than Lex. If perhaps we (I include myself) hadn't come back at him full scale Nuclear Attack - he might have let his hair down and been less defensive. You will concede that anyone who'd lurked here for a time before joining might get the idea that this was an alpha dog rodeo. No?

I'm dead serious about putting this to an end. Nobody is getting happier or getting more satisfaction out of this forum as a result of dragging this out to the bitter end. It's not getting any better for anyone.


What say you Mssrs Jumkie, Lotus, Stylie & Knockdown?

No and .... you. We all see ourselves to be as the aggrieved parties, but one isn't. I understand that you will never see it this way. You will never see how personal attacks are not the same as insults. You will never see how defending ones self and their friends is not the same as belittling people. So I say again .... you. Let me show you the difference. An insult is calling you a ..... A personal attack is congratulating you for ruining your wives vacation by spending the whole time being an internet ........
 
How many times have I offered a truce? Once? Twice? Three times? You've never kept your word Kesh. Fact. If you want to stop, then do it. The time for 'agreements' has ended. And remember kesh, I'm an individual, I speak for nobody, I only have control of myself. You only have control of yourself.

You never really tried to end your witch hunt, despite repeating the claim, somehow you've actually managed to convince yourself. Its as simple as exercising a bit of self control, I've told you this many times now. You've managed to fool some people into thinking you're not the center of the bullying, instigating, and worst of all, making it utterly personal. None, and I mean none would stand to take the depths of personal insult you've made this in to. Its why I've said it's a fascinating social experiment. I've been privy to people going ballistic over minor .... over the years, I'd love to see them read about themselves the .... you've tried to pin on those you targeted. You attack father's (only a parent can truly understand how low of a blow that is) you attack failed relationships (only a person who has gone through real heartbreak might understand) you attack intelligence. For the women here, imagine if one attacked your sense of womenhood as a real personal attack, not a joke. There's been some real awful .... said, sure everyone's got their sensitivities. I wouldn't for example stand for someone to disrespect a veteran, because I have a profound person experience, say a particular sensitivity, some here probably would gloss over it and not think twice. Oh but let someone hit their particular sensitivity, watch the fireworks. Some here have mistaken me and others standing our ground as being part of the harassment toward you, that's as accurate as a person fighting back an attacker then in some sick twist being identified as the perpetrator. Victim shaming based on their ignorant perception. You glossed over when Mdub said to you, you bring a cannon to a knife fight. Have someone explain what that means. A minor disagreement, and you start calling people bad fathers, ...... husbands, cheating mates, unworthy to exist on earth. I reject your narrative that everybody is equally complicit participants in the flame war. However, there is plenty of room for you and I to go about our business on this forum.

You're not tired of the flame war Kesh. You always find a way to continue it. You thought your not so subtle sudden approved of BM would be glossed over? Those of us here long enough understand the indirect message. Those without the history here see it as Kesh being harassed. Mistaken they are.

Its simple Kesh, let people be. Stop telling us who are the members that are awful and unworthy of your approval. Spend your time talking racing and tangents, refrain from attacking people personally. But rest assured while you continue it, I no longer have any motivation to ignore you. That ended three truce attempts ago.

And just a side note, for those "annoyed" to suffer through this flame war. This thread has been absolutely isolated. Its probably never going to offer any racing information about Rossi threatening to leave the sport. Its pretty easy avoiding this thread. Lets not pretend this thread has contaminated the entire forum. And let's not pretend you're not smart enough to avoid this thread. If you come here, we know it's because you want to read the juicy and frankly entertaining details of this duspute. Its fun. Its interesting, and it's a fascinating social experiment. I sincerely hope that none of us (that includes you Kesh) give much importance in the grand scheme of our lives to this entertaining medium of posting on a forum. If it's really negatively affecting any of you please move along and do something more positive. Lets keep this in perspective.

Jum - not calling you a mastermind. I Understand everyone is an individual. Think of my proposal as a summit for all concerned parties. Like when Stalin, FDR and Churchill got together. If we can't all agree to treat each other with respect - it's only a matter of time before someone goes rogue and starts the ball rolling. We all know too well how to push each other's buttons.

In the GRAND SCHEME of things - it ain't no thang. But fact is I really like a lot of folks here and enjoy the camaraderie and the banter. Regardless of how things went awry with you, Rog and I, our trip to Laguna was one of the most memorable things I've done in the last 10 years- and that's saying a lot.

My time banging around Southern Thailand with Mick was really great and I hope to continue to meet other folks from this forum in the years ahead. If these relationships weren't special anyone of us could have walked away long time ago. More than ego - that is IMHO why we're all so ....... possessive/territorial about this place.

As regards previous offers of peace - I'll only say they seemed to me to be laden with restrictive conditions and terms that seemed to be aimed at reducing my participation in the forum. My proposal is simply leave the past in the past and treat each other with respect. It's really a simple thing. Doesn't require add-ons and riders. If we get bogged down with blame and enumeration of past wrongs we'll be like the Israelis and Palestinians and it'll all fall apart. Everybody wants this to be over. If all parties are willing to put aside resentments now for the sake of the forum- everybody wins.
 
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Jum - not calling you a mastermind. I Understand everyone is an individual. Think of my proposal as a summit for all concerned parties. Like when Stalin, FDR and Churchill got together. If we can't all agree to treat each other with respect - it's only a matter of time before someone goes rogue and starts the ball rolling. We all know too well how to push each other's buttons.

In the GRAND SCHEME of things - it ain't no thang. But fact is I really like a lot of folks here and enjoy the camaraderie and the banter. Regardless of how things went awry with you, Rog and I, our trip to Laguna was one of the most memorable things I've done in the last 10 years- and that's saying a lot.

My time banging around Southern Thailand with Mick was really great and I hope to continue to meet other folks from this forum in the years ahead. If these relationships weren't special anyone of us could have walked away long time ago. More than ego - that is IMHO why we're all so ....... possessive/territorial about this place.

As regards previous offers of peace - I'll only say they seemed to me to be laden with restrictive conditions and terms that seemed to be aimed at reducing my participation in the forum. My proposal is simply leave the past in the past and treat each other with respect. It's really a simple thing. Doesn't require add-ons and riders. If we get bogged down with blame and enumeration of past wrongs we'll be like the Israelis and Palestinians and it'll all fall apart. Everybody wants this to be over. If all parties are willing to put aside resentments now for the sake of the forum- everybody wins.

I dont respect you so any correspondence with you will be treated accordingly.
I see you once again are trying to weasel your way out of a truce so you can continue your troll nature. Here's all I want from you. Ignore me. Dont quote me, dont comment on my posts, dont reference me in any way shape or form and come down with pancreatic cancer.
I am willing to be flexible here. If you agree to the latter, I will forego the former
 
No and .... you. We all see ourselves to be as the aggrieved parties, but one isn't. I understand that you will never see it this way. You will never see how personal attacks are not the same as insults. You will never see how defending ones self and their friends is not the same as belittling people. So I say again .... you. Let me show you the difference. An insult is calling you a ..... A personal attack is congratulating you for ruining your wives vacation by spending the whole time being an internet ........

I dont respect you so any correspondence with you will be treated accordingly.
I see you once again are trying to weasel your way out of a truce so you can continue your troll nature. Here's all I want from you. Ignore me. Dont quote me, dont comment on my posts, dont reference me in any way shape or form and come down with pancreatic cancer.
I am willing to be flexible here. If you agree to the latter, I will forego the former


I gather that means your resentment is more important than the possibility of a chill forum. I've only made treating each other with respect as the one condition for peace around here - but apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) that's too big an ask.
 
I gather that means your resentment is more important than the possibility of a chill forum. I've only made treating each other with respect as the one condition for peace around here - but apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) that's too big an ask.

No, but if you notice I only respond to you when you talk about me. I don't need a truce with you, I just ask that you either stop responding to me stop talking about me or at least stop stepping over the line repeatedly. You can't say I deserved it while I was banned. I obviously didn't say .... to you then. Well I unbanned myself and I do not except your truce until you admit what the issue is. We don't need this fake truce .... again. Just shut the .... up and watch how fast it goes away.
 
I gather that means your resentment is more important than the possibility of a chill forum. I've only made treating each other with respect as the one condition for peace around here - but apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) that's too big an ask.

Dont turn it back on me like Im the culprit. Ive already ignored you for weeks at a time, NUMEROUR TIMES, but your the one that broke the accord so .... all your fancy words about peace because you've already proven them to be .........
Ignore me or this continues
 
Kesh frankly you could have stopped this at any time. My Area 51 post in another topic was a direct response to your original snide comment to JKD. That comment of yours was what kicked off the latest episode here.

Calling for a truce is a noble attempt which disregards how this entire thing started...and the need to try and spread blame around is something Ms. United Nations tried to do many posts ago. Shared blame isn't in play here, and is a way of minimizing responsibility as well as trying to ignore what exactly happened. It's a great sound bite, but it's got little basis in reality.

Spare the talk about how people are PM'ing you hoping that all of this would stop. There's nothing more annoying on a forum when people start referencing support that they have in private message. If those individuals support, post in the open.

What's really insane about all of this is that you are on a 6 week vacation and you have spent nearly every day of this vacation continuing to prosecute a flame war, in spite of the fact that you are 10,000 miles away from home. That is true commitment to continuing hostilities...the idea of disconnecting from this place for a few weeks is something most would have done unless they were attending grands prix and were looking to share info with us. As I stated, you made close to 100 posts, none of which had anything to do with racing at all. Only after I pointed that out, did you start frantically making posts in other topics. It directly contravened your explanation that you were here, in spite of being on vacation, for no reason other than to keep up with racing.

But the most interesting thing of all of this has been watching various posters engage in mental gymnastics so as to excuse you of all of your behavior. A clear double standard was established quite quickly here where certain posters were intent on trying to portray you as Keshav the Innocent, and only commented about what others said in response to you. Yet every drive-by post, or outright nasty post you made was ignored by these same individuals.

More interesting is that, many of these posters, yourself included, are the same ones who sought to minimize Valentino Rossi's actions at Sepang, and also were so certain as to the intentions of one Marc Marquez based on nothing but the claims of Valentino Rossi. Think about this for a moment. You've made a lot of ........ claims here about being unfairly targeted and acting like you've done nothing to deserve anything that was returned to you...and there are people who have taken this at complete face value in spite of the overwhelming lack of evidence to support this. It's the same leaps of faith people took when they suddenly decided upon the word of a ranting lunatic in a press conference that the race they had so enjoyed a week earlier, was clearly not on the up and up.

On a slightly different subject, you've been fond of bringing up your Laguna Seca meeting with Roger and Jumkie many times to either attack or praise them. There's no consistency from you on this subject. You've used it as evidence of their supposed ...... parenting, and then you've done the opposite and claimed it was a great time. I've seen you constantly talk about how wonderful the time with Roger was. Yet...there's a problem with this picture you've painted. Roger left the forum because of you. If you and Roger shared such a wonderful time, why is it that Roger no longer posts here and will never post here again? If I had such great times with someone, I'd be posting here. But please, don't mistake that as an invitation by me to answer that question. I'm not interested in whatever way you will try to spin the reply as being favorable to you.

You're desire for a cessation of hostilities is laughable. The burden is all on you to act like a relative normal person on here, and to not crawfish on your supposed desire for peace within a few weeks. If you want peace, stop attacking people directly or indirectly.
 
Ooh, another Hitler comparison. Hitler comparisons now firmly in the lead over Stalin comparisons, though Kim Jong Un is giving them both a run for their money.

I got your back Kroppy. You run the best forum I know. Of course the only forums I know are yours, this one , and farmersonly.com
 
Ooh, another Hitler comparison. Hitler comparisons now firmly in the lead over Stalin comparisons, though Kim Jong Un is giving them both a run for their money.

You got me Krop. That was a bit cliche.

Is this better?

Duc. Some good info here. You may want to pay attention as well

 
Fuckwits comes to mind

I spent almost two weeks with some of them, they are just normal people trying to put food on their families plate. Maybe you should buy a kitchen table or two gaz. I know you don't need the other thing they are always selling my dude.

#Spammerlivesmatter
 
Kesh frankly you could have stopped this at any time. My Area 51 post in another topic was a direct response to your original snide comment to JKD. That comment of yours was what kicked off the latest episode here.

Calling for a truce is a noble attempt which disregards how this entire thing started...and the need to try and spread blame around is something Ms. United Nations tried to do many posts ago. Shared blame isn't in play here, and is a way of minimizing responsibility as well as trying to ignore what exactly happened. It's a great sound bite, but it's got little basis in reality.

Spare the talk about how people are PM'ing you hoping that all of this would stop. There's nothing more annoying on a forum when people start referencing support that they have in private message. If those individuals support, post in the open.

What's really insane about all of this is that you are on a 6 week vacation and you have spent nearly every day of this vacation continuing to prosecute a flame war, in spite of the fact that you are 10,000 miles away from home. That is true commitment to continuing hostilities...the idea of disconnecting from this place for a few weeks is something most would have done unless they were attending grands prix and were looking to share info with us. As I stated, you made close to 100 posts, none of which had anything to do with racing at all. Only after I pointed that out, did you start frantically making posts in other topics. It directly contravened your explanation that you were here, in spite of being on vacation, for no reason other than to keep up with racing.

But the most interesting thing of all of this has been watching various posters engage in mental gymnastics so as to excuse you of all of your behavior. A clear double standard was established quite quickly here where certain posters were intent on trying to portray you as Keshav the Innocent, and only commented about what others said in response to you. Yet every drive-by post, or outright nasty post you made was ignored by these same individuals.

More interesting is that, many of these posters, yourself included, are the same ones who sought to minimize Valentino Rossi's actions at Sepang, and also were so certain as to the intentions of one Marc Marquez based on nothing but the claims of Valentino Rossi. Think about this for a moment. You've made a lot of ........ claims here about being unfairly targeted and acting like you've done nothing to deserve anything that was returned to you...and there are people who have taken this at complete face value in spite of the overwhelming lack of evidence to support this. It's the same leaps of faith people took when they suddenly decided upon the word of a ranting lunatic in a press conference that the race they had so enjoyed a week earlier, was clearly not on the up and up.

On a slightly different subject, you've been fond of bringing up your Laguna Seca meeting with Roger and Jumkie many times to either attack or praise them. There's no consistency from you on this subject. You've used it as evidence of their supposed ...... parenting, and then you've done the opposite and claimed it was a great time. I've seen you constantly talk about how wonderful the time with Roger was. Yet...there's a problem with this picture you've painted. Roger left the forum because of you. If you and Roger shared such a wonderful time, why is it that Roger no longer posts here and will never post here again? If I had such great times with someone, I'd be posting here. But please, don't mistake that as an invitation by me to answer that question. I'm not interested in whatever way you will try to spin the reply as being favorable to you.

You're desire for a cessation of hostilities is laughable. The burden is all on you to act like a relative normal person on here, and to not crawfish on your supposed desire for peace within a few weeks. If you want peace, stop attacking people directly or indirectly.

I won't get into he said - she said; just leads to more bickering. Nobody here seems to acknowledge the concept of a general amnesty. Nobody here acknowledges that it takes two to tango. Seems like all parties believe their behavior has been beyond reproach. Seems nobody thinks anyone's point of view is relevant - except theirs. Everybody believes themselves blameless. Makes me feel prospects for an amnesty are unrealistic. I can only hold my end of the proposed truce as long as others do the same. See what happens.
 
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I spent almost two weeks with some of them, they are just normal people trying to put food on their families plate. Maybe you should buy a kitchen table or two gaz. I know you don't need the other thing they are always selling my dude.

#Spammerlivesmatter



Oh mate, I readily agree that fuckwits are people too.

Hell, I work with fuckwits, not a lot just a few and they are lazy fuckwits but they are people, they have lives and so I am told, one (kid not) did just buy a new kitchen table.

As for my needing of a kitchen table .............. stuff that, as it is with the dodgy table I have it gives me an excuse to eat dinner in the lounge room and watch the tv.
 
I won't get into he said - she said; just leads to more bickering. Nobody here seems to acknowledge the concept of a general amnesty. Nobody here acknowledges that it takes two to tango. Seems like all parties believe their behavior has been beyond reproach. Seems nobody thinks anyone's point of view is relevant - except theirs. Everybody believes themselves blameless. Makes me feel prospects for an amnesty are unrealistic. I can only hold my end of the proposed truce as long as others do the same. See what happens.

Translation: I wont ignore any of you thus making a truce impossible.
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