Rossi says relationship with Marquez “can never be recovered”

#22 · Apr 26, 2016

No, it's called "Agreeing to Disagree". It is what adults do.

Regarding Laguna Seca 2008, there was sufficient suspicion raised that some people questioned whether Stoner fell off because Rossi brake tested him. Of course I have no proof of this but I can run up some charts on excel that can show the changes in Rossi's laptime that lap to prove he did it, and that it is technically race fixing.

If you seriously believe Marc Marquez was able to orchestrate a race result affecting 3 others riders with that accuracy and yet still win a race with so many variables of human nature alone then you are seriosuly delusional, and also need to reconsider dubbing Rossi "The Goat", for that would be Marquez if he was able to pull that .... off.

The Worst · Apr 26, 2016

#22 said:
No, it's called "Agreeing to Disagree". It is what adults do.

Regarding Laguna Seca 2008, there was sufficient suspicion raised that some people questioned whether Stoner fell off because Rossi brake tested him. Of course I have no proof of this but I can run up some charts on excel that can show the changes in Rossi's laptime that lap to prove he did it, and that it is technically race fixing.

If you seriously believe Marc Marquez was able to orchestrate a race result affecting 3 others riders with that accuracy and yet still win a race with so many variables of human nature alone then you are seriosuly delusional, and also need to reconsider dubbing Rossi "The Goat", for that would be Marquez if he was able to pull that .... off.

You can't just "disagree" with no alternative arguments. That's simply refusing to discuss rationally, to defend an agenda. You're a denialist.

MM was much faster than the rest that day. It's not that difficult to believe, but you need to rewatch the race and analyse his actions and lap times with a critical mind. Otherwise stay in Disney land.

MM is the equal if not better than Rossi, and only misfortune can prevent him becoming the next GOAT. It's a fantastic rider, but as a person he's a rat.

Gaz · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
It makes a lot of sense. MM robs him of a world title, then goes and offers him his hand... of course! Why wouldn't Rossi be in conciliatory mood right? What difference does it make one more championship when you already have nine? Seriously guys, did you have an overdose of Disney crap when you were kids or what?

Flogging the dead horse aren't we Talps/Papps/Tps or whatever your prior name was.

Marquez did not rob Rossi as you wish to put it, after all he tool 5 points from Lorenzo, gave the great one at least 16 points in Sepang and did not force Ianonne or Pedrosa to overtake Rossi for places throughout the season.

What cost VR the title was the FACT that he scored less points than did the rider who finished above him.

What some of VR's incessant fans want to believe cost Rossi the title is a conspiracy involving a number of riders who all are jealous fo Vale's record and thus wish to work together to ensure that it does not improve.

Or maybe, what cost VR the title was the the simply was not good enough when it mattered.

The Worst said:
Neither Rossi nor ANYBODY IN THIS WORLD would ever forgive something like that, it's impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. Rossi KNOWS what Marquez did, Yamaha KNOW what Marquez did, Dorna KNOWS what Marquez did. EVERY ONE IN THE F PADDOCK KNOWS what Marquez did. Everyone. Marquez has no choice but to keep lying now, he has to go all the way with all that ........ for the rest of his career. It works with some people, so it's worth to keep trying to save face. It is as simple as that.

Now please provide FACTS (your are aware of what they are I assume as you are an educated man) that support the highlighted accusations

Let me single them out for you to assist.

1. nor ANYBODY IN THIS WORLD would ever forgive something like that, it's impossible
Nothing is impossible, ask the first guy who drank to much and said 'you know what, I am gonna backflip this bloody RMZ'

2. Dorna KNOWS what Marquez did
There has been no press release or confirmation from DORNA of anything that they KNOW.
They did have a chat to MM and ALL riders (see that, ALL) riders following the accusation of the great one -- why, well that is supposition and we will never agree but for me, I feel it was only done because of who was involved.

3. EVERY ONE IN THE F PADDOCK KNOWS what Marquez did
Please show press releases from ALL riders and team members who said that they KNOW what Marquez did (I say allegedly).
I ask as I know you cannot for not all people published their thoughts and certainly, not all riders of past supported ANY or even SOME of the allegations, in fact, some even said expecting riders to not race you when they are out of the championship was '........'

I do enjoy that because our opinions differ from that of team yellow we are suddenly suffering from an overdose of Disney crap - my thoughts are that pot, kettle and mirror may be useful for your accusation of disney crap ........

And again, refer back to ALL of the POST Sepang threads - this was discussed more than who shot JR and the numerous who shot JFK theories combined

I have attached lap chart links below for your obvious rebuttal and hopeful review

https://nichelob.smugmug.com/Artesian-Analytics/i-Nd4TV3S/0/O/Capture.png

https://motorsportsnippets.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/2015ausgp.jpg

http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/586/22215671878_f7d7910e4d_b.jpg

https://nichelob.smugmug.com/Artesian-Analytics/i-VHTrMf4/0/O/Capture4.png

Have fun

Edited to add - review here. 139 pages of discussion about the race - http://motogpforum.com/motogp/16276...-malaysia-motorcycle-grand-prix-spoilers.html

Or alternately, here are the search results for a keyword of Sapang in the MOTOGP forum from the last 12 months - http://motogpforum.com/search.php?searchid=18299&pp=25

You're welcome

Gaz · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
You can't just "disagree" with no alternative arguments. That's simply refusing to discuss rationally, to defend an agenda. You're a denialist.

If the hat fits

The Worst said:
MM was much faster than the rest that day. It's not that difficult to believe, but you need to rewatch the race and analyse his actions and lap times with a critical mind. Otherwise stay in Disney land.

BS.

VR was the fastest on the weekend so why did he only win by 2 seconds?

Did he race fix to only win by a certain gap so that he could take the bookies to the cleaners?

The Worst said:
MM is the equal if not better than Rossi, and only misfortune can prevent him becoming the next GOAT. It's a fantastic rider, but as a person he's a rat.

BS again on two front - and I love how you argued that Marquez is a rat without discussing his number of legs or length of his tail, nor how many whiskers he has.

But, MM will NOT be the GOAT as there is no such thing within MotoGP ot Motorcycle GrandsPrix as the title is one that was generated by media and Rossi acolytes

On what basis could one say who is the GOAT (genuine question btw)?

Most race wins?

Most championships?

Most laps led?

Most pole positions?

And even then, is it fair to compare the modern rider who has greater opportunity in terms of the quantity of races with those of past years where 7 - 9 races was the championship?

GOAT is a BS term to try to make people feel better about their chosen 'best' rider, no more and no less (of course, that is my opinion and I do not claim it as fact)

#22 · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
You can't just "disagree" with no alternative arguments. That's simply refusing to discuss rationally, to defend an agenda. You're a denialist.

MM was much faster than the rest that day. It's not that difficult to believe, but you need to rewatch the race and analyse his actions and lap times with a critical mind. Otherwise stay in Disney land.

MM is the equal if not better than Rossi, and only misfortune can prevent him becoming the next GOAT. It's a fantastic rider, but as a person he's a rat.

I can, and I will

I, and others have presented tyre management which don't fit in your narrative, and you conveniently forget. You have also sidestepped a few questions of mine more than once.

So I'm a denialist, but when alternative scenarios such as tyre management are presented to you and you dismiss them as "Total ........"..you AREN'T a denialist?

You are like every other Rossi sympathiser who joined in the wake of last season. Pushing your agenda under the pretence of being impartial.

If MM becomes a rat as a person, then he has a good rolemodel in Valentino Rossi.

#22 · Apr 26, 2016

Awaiting "The Worst" next post

The Worst · Apr 26, 2016

What questions did I sidestep? Probably just repetitions of a theme?

"Tyre management" is like "mind games", an umbrella term to "support" any stupid argument, i.e. ......... Neither makes any sense in this case. The magnitude and timing of the pace changes by MM has nothing to do with tyre problems. His tyres did in fact look very fresh after the race. His crew were desperate to cover them when he got to the podium... JL's and AI's didn't...

I don't think the rest of the comments so far deserve further consideration from me? It's just more no no no no no no no...

#22 · Apr 26, 2016

Funny, i never thought the words "Tyre Management" sound the same as "No".

You are being an insufferable ... on this issue, ignoring direct rebuttles from myself and Gaz.
The fact you think "Tyre management" is a ........ term proves you know sod all about the sport, and are not worthy of any more time. Good day.

yamfan · Apr 26, 2016

Gaz said:
Flogging the dead horse aren't we Talps/Papps/Tps or whatever your prior name was...

Nice one Gaz, I wondered how long it would take for this...
Especially as during one of his self congratulatory rants told us he's been slithering around the site for ages, under many different guises.
It's pretty certain that JKD unveiling him as a gift card pervert has prompted him to reinvent himself. He'll keep popping in as tps for a while to deny it no doubt, but tps will fade away...

The Worst · Apr 26, 2016

You have to be specific about what you mean by "tyre management". A generic mention to tyre management does not explain anything.

Was MM doing "tyre management" in Sepang too? Sure, and in Valencia right? Of course! he was managing his and Pedrosa's tyres...

What was I thinking...

#22 · Apr 26, 2016

It's no less specific than you drawing conclusions based on laptimes.

Ahh, I didn't realise it was Talps. Well I'm definitely done with ya.

The Worst · Apr 26, 2016

yamfan said:
Gaz said:

Flogging the dead horse aren't we Talps/Papps/Tps or whatever your prior name was...

Nice one Gaz, I wondered how long it would take for this...
Especially as during one of his self congratulatory rants told us he's been slithering around the site for ages, under many different guises.
It's pretty certain that JKD unveiling him as a gift card pervert has prompted him to reinvent himself. He'll keep popping in as tps for a while to deny it no doubt, but tps will fade away...

Click to expand...

I discovered this site last weekend.

But some here do sound like a multinick angry teenager?

The Worst · Apr 26, 2016

#22 said:
It's no less specific than you drawing conclusions based on laptimes.

Ahh, I didn't realise it was Talps. Well I'm definitely done with ya.

Wrong. I relate the lap times to specific actions.

I have no relationship to other users.

Gaz · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
But some here do sound like a multinick angry teenager?

I know (suspect) you are but what am I?

#22 · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
Wrong. I relate the lap times to specific actions.

I have no relationship to other users.

Ok one last bite:

So what actions would those be? You claim it is fact that Marquez slowed down to impede Rossi. He claims, and I believe him, that he slowed down to let his front tyre cool down because he was pushing it too much and getting too hot (That is called tyre management to us adults). How can you prove your theory over mine?

yamfan · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
What questions did I sidestep? Probably just repetitions of a theme?

"Tyre management" is like "mind games", an umbrella term to "support" any stupid argument, i.e. ......... Neither makes any sense in this case. The magnitude and timing of the pace changes by MM has nothing to do with tyre problems. His tyres did in fact look very fresh after the race. His crew were desperate to cover them when he got to the podium... JL's and AI's didn't...

I don't think the rest of the comments so far deserve further consideration from me? It's just more no no no no no no no...

Since the year before was a nightmare for teams and Bridgestone, prior to the race, Bridgestone stated that the front tyres would be prone to give trouble. When Honda in particular were encountering problems and queried this, Bridgestone said "should the rider start to lose front tyre performance they should back down for a short time and the tyre will recover its performance".
Marquez confirmed that this was indeed the case and he was forced to do this, resulting in differing lap times.
Was he believed? At the time of interviews yes, later though?
Of course not, because Valentino said so four days later...
Funnily enough when the same situation arose at an unusually hot Valencia race, Dani rested his tyres before his late dash and they worked well until they let go, SENDING HIM WIDE AS THEY OVERHEATED, Dani himself said this in his interview after the race. He couldn't have caught Lorenzo anyway...

Gaz · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
Wrong. I relate the lap times to specific actions.

And that is fair (but I do totally disagree with the views of Valentino and yourself) but I ask genuinely how you or I for that matter can determine actions from a TV screen when you are looking across a full lap to try to locate an alleged .2 - .5 slower section or lap?

The allegations are that miniscule in time that to the naked eye they cannot be visible - remember that VR himself said he had to check and rewatch a few times before he was sure.

Opinion only, but if you are looking at actions based on you being a VR fan and you believing every word he has spoken as the gospel truth, thence you cannot vie things with an unbiased eye. Likewise, those with a vehement opposing view will also not be able to see any alleged actions as they see through their tinted eyes.

Just as you assert that many supported VR (let us remove the yellow masses and reference riders) there were a lot who also stated that they did not believe the suggestions (either by being uncertain, unconvinced or outright not agreeing) and a lot who said so what, you have every right to race whomever you choose provided you do not break any rules ...... and irrespective of your view, only one rider broke the rules

Gaz · Apr 26, 2016

yamfan said:
Since the year before was a nightmare for teams and Bridgestone, prior to the race, Bridgestone stated that the front tyres would be prone to give trouble. When Honda in particular were encountering problems and queried this, Bridgestone said "should the rider start to lose front tyre performance they should back down for a short time and the tyre will recover its performance".
Marquez confirmed that this was indeed the case and he was forced to do this, resulting in differing lap times.
Was he believed? At the time of interviews yes, later though?
Of course not, because Valentino said so four days later...
Funnily enough when the same situation arose at an unusually hot Valencia race, Dani rested his tyres before his late dash and they worked well until they let go, SENDING HIM WIDE AS THEY OVERHEATED, Dani himself said this in his interview after the race. He couldn't have caught Lorenzo anyway...

Let us not forget that Brad Smith reported that he had an issue with teh front earlier in the season where he started to lose the front, backed up and pushed at the end again to see what would happen and surprised by the tyre returning and he being faster

pyeman · Apr 26, 2016

The Worst said:
It makes a lot of sense. MM robs him of a world title, then goes and offers him his hand... of course! Why wouldn't Rossi be in conciliatory mood right? What difference does it make one more championship when you already have nine? Seriously guys, did you have an overdose of Disney crap when you were kids or what?

Neither Rossi nor ANYBODY IN THIS WORLD would ever forgive something like that, it's impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. Rossi KNOWS what Marquez did, Yamaha KNOW what Marquez did, Dorna KNOWS what Marquez did. EVERY ONE IN THE F PADDOCK KNOWS what Marquez did. Everyone. Marquez has no choice but to keep lying now, he has to go all the way with all that ........ for the rest of his career. It works with some people, so it's worth to keep trying to save face. It is as simple as that.

Robbed him of a world title?,get real,the 'greatest of all time' simply wasn't good enough over the whole season,as you say, 'It is as simple as that',and what's more, i betcha he won't be good enough this year either,don't get too excited about Jerez, i'm sure my 2 favourite Spaniards will start to hand him his arse again,hopefully Marquez will return the favour and kick the .... of his bike at some point.

The Worst · Apr 26, 2016

Dani did not get faster at the end of Valencia (again, see lap times). It was Lorenzo who got slower. Marquez looked like he didn't even know where to put the bike to avoid overtaking JL by mistake. If Rossi was 4th, Lorenzo could be 2nd and still win, but MM could not overtake him because he knew that if he did, then Dani would pass JL too and hand the title to Rossi.

Bradley Smith issues has been reported to death by the denialist camp, it's a one off, and even in that case normal tyre heating/cooling rates/cycles would not explain MM's times. They're far more erratic than you'd get from any tyre problem.

At least some of you don't bother to hide all the hate. You guys need to get laid more...

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